Alright im bangin my head im getting fuel Timing is dead on I replaced the ignition module first thinking it took a dive being 174k. Replaced it notta, then i looked at the coil did the old screwdriver against metal spark check no spark from the coil, went bought a coil, now put the new coil on still no spark, im gonna pull my hair out and become bald at 27.

 

Is there power to the coil? to the module?

 

No power to the coil and the thing that is crazy yesterday it ran fine and today wont start Ign mod and coil are brand new I WAS thinkin ah easy fix.... guess im on the guess again list

 

Quick little test here, pull the grey connector off the top of the ignition coil and check the pink wire for voltage with the key in the start position. That is the wire to the ignition switch. Also check to make sure that you have a good connection between the coil and the ignition module (black connector on coil).

 

Now i have no power to car battery fully charged but no power to car...... Time to work from battery to starter and follow that up

 

Fusible links at starter solenoid and wire connections.

 

Last week when I attempted to mount an MSD coil on the passenger inner fender, I lengthened the coil wires about 12" each. ( 2 wires)... 1 coming from the distributor, and 1 coming out of the engine wiring harness.


Well... when all was said and done, I had similar results.
NO spark, no power, no anything.

I went to a local junkyard and got a 'factory coil wire setup'... installed it, and she fired RIGHT over.

Maybe it's in the wiring ?

 

Ok found out the problem took apart the battery side post and found mega corrosion. Now I have power back to car. But still have the problem of no spark to motor. As I said earlier definetely getting fuel but plugs arent fouled... New coil, now ign module cap and rotor fairly new wires new plugs maybe 1000 miles on it. I just pulled down the ECM played with the connections to it. Ok here is a funny note any wires in the dash I should be aware about cause as soon as I installed the new radio yesterday no splicing or hacking the wiring harness. I might want to go back into the radio pod and look for chaffed wires maybe!?!? . I can fix bodies and engines but when it comes to a electrical problem im all thumbs since my volt meter is not working after my son decided it was a baseball and thru it into the pool, now I cant test the pink wire to see if ignition throwing power out to the coil. COuld i run a jumper from battery to coil to see if thatll start the car or will that upset the ecm. ANd I was suppose to race a guy at the strip tonite who thinks his naturally aspirated honda 4 banger will chew up my done up 2.8 I dont think he will but as of right now he will. Any suggestions will be greatly apprieciated.

 

I would not advise running a jumper wire from the battery to the ignition coil unless you like fireworks. Do you have a test light?

 

I didnt think it would work thats why I asked nah ill probably have to break down and buy a test ligh. But lets say hypothtically i am getting power to coil but not to the ignition module... but again why wouldnt I be getting spark from the coil itself but again if ign mod wasnt getting power to send signals to the coil to spark......... hmmm ok im gonna go with no power to ignition module (hypothetically) But again im up !@#$ creek without a paddle till tomorrow when i go buy a test light. Alright Ill let you all know the verdict tomorrow afternoon

 

OK here is the scenario, power is getting to the coil but not to the ignition module would that put the pickup coil into play now? If so then why am I having a hard time getting the distributor out and i even keep bumping engine over hopin it would come lose but no go any ideas cause i am goin to replace the pickup coil since that one of my last options to replacing cheap parts, if this dont get it to run then im at wits end since im getting power to the coil. No fuses, all fusable links fine full power on battery ignition switch is doin its job, no chaffed or wires grounding themselves out. If the pickup coil does not solve problem then im looking at a bad ecm!?!? Everything else looks good. Im just not looking forward to timing the motor AGAIN

 

Ok, let me take a step back here and ask how did you set the timing if it's not firing a spark?

 

When the car was running timing was set perfect. That is what i ment by setting the timing AGAIN cause the motor was just dropped in car ran fine and now three days later get up in the morning to go to track and no start and have been diagnosing the motor ever since. if it happens to be the pickup coil then i will have to set the timing again once it starts But distributor will not come out. (mumbles stuff about fresh motors and their tightness) DUmp 5 grand into the motor and now this..... ANy suggestions on pulling out the distributor without damaging the distributor since it budges maybe quarter of an inch and thats it

 

Did you start by checking the little things like fuses, connections and fusible links? A lot of times on a newly swapped engine it is either something catastrophically wrong, or something really really simple.

 

would fuseable links cause no spark? ALl the fuses that i know of are fine i pulled codes on computer and no codes came up. Ive gone over the connections 50 million times even cleaned em to make sure there was no foriegn objects cause a bad connection. There is 3 fuseable links by starter car turns over but as I said no spark, ecm is working cause when i ran a ecm diagnostic with my snap on scanner everything was accountable so i need to climb under the car and check the fusable links. I still havent gotten the distributor out yet ill leave it in till i check the fuseable links under car. If their ok, dont know where to look then cause everything else has been narrowed down and works.

 

hey heres a thought i pulled my plugs their not fouled, you would think with all the cranking they would be fouled and their not but the fuel pump kicks on no problem. A guy mentioned for me to replace the fuel pump relay? This guy right? Or shall I press on with the mystery?

 

If the plugs aren't fouled, it wouldn't be the fuel pump relay not working. It would be the injectors not spraying. You have already said that you are getting fuel. If you are getting no fire to the distributor, you won't get any reference pulses and if the ECM sees no reference pulses from the distributor, the fuel injectors won't spray.

 

OK solution to problem, what happened was the coil was firing very sparitcally like one time itll fire one spark per 3-8 seconds other times it would spark normally. When the coil was taking a dump the coil shorted out the pickup coil somehow so the coil and ignition module were replaced leaving only the pickup coil. the car still wouldnt spark so we replaced the pickup coil and we did a series of tests to the ignition system. we did place the old coil back on to verify that the coil was shot as well. Everything looked ok no conductivity problems no bad wires. So its still a mystery to me how the pick and the coil went at same time. will we ever find the cause , probably not, but its a lesson i wont forget and hope this will help with someone who has a similar episode with thier bird or maro.