Okay, well here's the deal.

1990 Ford MudStain GT (Getting Towed?), convertable, 99k miles, auto, exhuast mods, new brakes, runs great, $2100.

Question is this, do you guys feel that with this kind of deal just looking at me, that I should jump at it, instead of waiting? I have a month (He's going off to the military), so I want to do this in that time frame.

Questions, does anyone know why the windows and convertable tops in all these MudStains fail? Is there like a general reason for both, or is it the curse of the Ford Electrical system?

 

Well..the problem probably begins with the fact that it's a ford

try www.stangnet.com.

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Go For it, At least when You spend thousands Of Dollars on this one, and it runs a 15.1, You can Blame in on the fact that its a Ford.




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Good luck w/ your purchase man. Sorry you have had a bad experience w/ the thirdgen platform. Hopefully you won't repeat whatever the hell you did to screw up the thirdgen on this 5.0...

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umm ok, when did he say he was going to drop the thirdgen platform, or am i missing something.

 

Looks like some people are kinda salty about the fact that TPI has inherent flaws, the cars weigh WAY too much, and the Ratio's of the 700R4 are a joke, combined with the fact that the 350 wasn't avaliable with the T5. I'm sorry...I love my 3rd gen, it looks cool as hell, feels sporty, and I now have the TPI system memorized from taking it apart hundreds of time, but the fact is, speed is speed....

Fords MPFI System used on the 5 liter has only about ONE problem...Air starvation on cylanders 1 and 8 (or 2 and 7, can never remember on those cars). TPI has the following problems.

-Horrible Port Entry Angle
-Power stealing baseplate, which acts as nothing more than a way to heat up your intake charge and destroy your power level.
-Air Starvation on the back 4 clyanders which only grows worse as the operating speed increases.
-NO Aftermarket for MAF's


And then the third gen itself has a bunch of flaws as well.

-Single exhaust
-Weight
-Cooling
-Aftermarket in general
(Compare the $1200 TPI intakes with the $500 Mustang intakes, my wallet says thank you Ford....)
-No 350 in the vert's
-About the worst auto tranny you could use for racing ever produced!
-Rear Ends that blow apart on a regular basis
-Horrible ride quality
-Chinsey, old looking instruments in the 82-90 cars

That's not to say the Mud Stain dosen't have it's problems.
-Brakes...
-No Posi avaliable stock
-Small Displacement
-Weird Electrical System worries

Gee, list seems much shorter, and it has these advantages...
-Dual Exhuast
-8.8 inch Rear End that is very tough
-Weight
-Auto Tranny Gear Ratio's
-AFTERMARKET FROM HELL! (I might go as far as to say that the Windsor aftermarket is larger than the entire SBC aftermarket)
-Much better angle of entry for the intake ports


Well, that about does it guys. When you get over the fact that TPI SUCKS, and come to realize that for the same dallor per dallor figure, the mudstain will ALWAYS be faster, then you might see where I am coming from.

(Watch, I won't get the Ford and still have the Chevy and look like an *** after this, lol.)

Also, I like how we somehow screwed up the car, but you TPI god's can't seem to tell what what I should try that I haven't. Even if nothing else, just the amount of air that the engine has avaliable to it should reduce ET's, but well in the words of Tryumph....TPI is good for me to poop on!




[This message has been edited by Slow Iroc (edited May 13, 2001).]

 

well maybe you should stop being a little ***** and flaming something just because you don't know how to make it fast. The TPI may not be great stock but it has great potentional with the aftermarket(MINIRAM/SUPERRAM). I bet that the MR is much better then a $500 ford intake. And the aftermarket for SBC is huge, it may seem to be smaller then ford because ford has it own dedicated section in catalogs. Now this whole ford verses GM on the problem list is a little un real. Of couse you are going to know ALL the problems with the GM becuase you worked on one but with ford, you probable are just going from what you have been told. And why don't you ask Kevin91Z about the motors he put together. Stop being a ***** and yelling a screaming like a little girl and go do what you want just don't ever reveal your name on the street when you come up againt a 3rd gen in your POS ford. Oh yeah, and back in the 1980s the thirdgens were faster then the Mustangs in the 1/4 mile and with the power you want to make, i would stay with a thirdgen....they are stiffer then the mustangs.

[This message has been edited by camaro6spd (edited May 13, 2001).]

 

Hey now.. be nice.


You could get a posi in the mustangs stock from the factory. They call it traction-lok. I guess they cant spell

You will find other problems with them as well. Like the rear suspension is hard to deal with, they flex alot... much more than the F-body, and other little things like melting parts and crappy alternators.

2100 sounds like a good deal for a vert, if its in fair shape. I think those are around 5k right now for a decent one.

[This message has been edited by madmax (edited May 13, 2001).]

 

flex is a huge problem with the 80's early 90's Mustangs, before you do anything to that car get suspension reinforcements or cry like my friends do when they put paxton superchargers in them and the frame twists to crap. mustangs can be fun but you can go just as fast in either car with the right equipment.

 

I didn't realize it was an auto, you're basically buying one of the slowest 5.0s ever produced w/ a Vert auto. I don't think you'll be too happy w/ the Ford AOD if you don't like the 700r4.

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86 IROC w/ a cammed 305 TPI.
Formerly Ray86IROC.
www.inter-scape.com/Ray

[This message has been edited by Ray87Z (edited May 13, 2001).]

 

Back to the two problems you asked about with the Mousetank converts, I don't know why the windows always seem to crap out, but I do know that the hydraulic unit for the top mechanism is a really weak item. They always leak into the motor and soften the carbon brushes, burn the commutator, and toast the weenie little motor. Get an aftermarket hydraulic pump if you want a permanent fix.

The other problem with Mousetank converts that you failed to mention is that everyone can get a really good look at the moron with the stupid hat on backward (doesn't it read "DORF" then?) who is sitting at the wheel.

If you can't make an SBC faster, you'll have a really disappointing time with the little Ford...

And no, this isn't really tech, but I'd like to leave you with one last image that you might never see again - the front of a ThirdGen:



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