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Old Dec 23, 2004 | 07:25 PM
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Car Stalled at light, wont start

Ok i was at a light kjust 30 minutes ago, and all the sudden my lights dim and i notice the car is dead.

Tried to restart it until the car battery died, but i then noticed the fuel pump, i didn't hear it....



Where is the fuse, the relay, the pump cant be it, no more then 30kmiles old so there is no way it died.

Teh motor wated to start , but wouldn't do anything....




Please tel me where these things are...


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Old Dec 23, 2004 | 07:26 PM
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Old Dec 23, 2004 | 07:30 PM
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how can i chekc the fuel pressure, after cranking that long and the pump not working if there isn't any fuel then the purge valve will only spew out gas rather then spray it everywhere....
Old Dec 23, 2004 | 07:40 PM
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Car stalled and the battery went dead, Did you think about the alternator. The battery went dead with everything esle electrical because it wast being charged.
Old Dec 23, 2004 | 07:42 PM
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nah he car stalled and i sat there for 5 minutes trying to start the thing i ran the battery down on ym own... The altenator is only 30k miles old at most, so its not it, plus it warenteed for a liftime by autozone so if its it then i'm good, but that couldn't be it....
Old Dec 23, 2004 | 07:55 PM
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Autozone alternator are know for failuring. Was the gage showing it was charging or you didn't notice it??? If you jump the car and it stalls and the battery will not start it, you will know.
Old Dec 23, 2004 | 07:57 PM
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There's no wya the altenator would have done that, i have a meter that when the voltage drops too low it starts ringing, the few times the battery died it wouldn't sut up, so uit woulda been ringing if it were the problem....




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Then solve your problem yourself, if you have all the answers.
Old Dec 23, 2004 | 08:21 PM
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Do you know what an "ignition" is? How about a "coil"? Is it too complex if you put the 2 together?
Old Dec 23, 2004 | 08:23 PM
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i have 6that special aceel super coil, it is not old, maybe at most 20k miles old, could it really have gone bad that easily?
Old Dec 23, 2004 | 08:23 PM
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Go find out. On a nicer note, it's probably an ignition component, coil, module, whatever. If you don't know how to check those, get a book, do a search, because it's about ******* time you learn SOMETHING.
Old Dec 23, 2004 | 08:25 PM
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Originally posted by therckid
how can i chekc the fuel pressure, after cranking that long and the pump not working if there isn't any fuel then the purge valve will only spew out gas rather then spray it everywhere....
Use a fuel pressure gauge. $30 or so at most parts stores, and if you're going to work on the car yourself it's a necessary investment.

Schraeder valve is located on the pass side fuel rail near the back, close proximity to the plenum vacuum fitting that feeds the fuel pressure regulator.
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Get the point Mickey? ALL that has been covered in detail, but though you have been here for so long you still didn't do the very first thing that you should have... CODES!!!!!!

Then do a search using fuel AND pump and probably Vader or my own sn and you'll find info on the mystical 'G' terminal of the aldl. You may want to look for some info using those same screen names for MAF info as well.

And for the bazillionth ****ing time SEARCH first!!!!
Old Dec 23, 2004 | 08:27 PM
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Now that you mention the MAF, didn't he have an issue with that before? I'll bet he never fixed it or fixed it improperly and it bit him in the ***.
Old Dec 23, 2004 | 08:29 PM
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nah the MAF was fixed way long time ago.... thats cool.....


i'm feeling like this is ignition now, as i searched and the description of it dieing the way it did turns to a bad coil, will go out tomorow to the place i lewft the darn car and see whats up....
Old Dec 23, 2004 | 08:30 PM
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Do that, then learn how to type.
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Originally posted by Stekman
Now that you mention the MAF, didn't he have an issue with that before? I'll bet he never fixed it or fixed it improperly and it bit him in the ***.
He doesn't even have a car. This is all imagination at work, I'm just humoring him.
Old Dec 23, 2004 | 08:30 PM
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The description you gave would have me changing the MAF relays... unless your fuel pressure is junk or non-existant... but you'd know that if you searched!!!!
Old Dec 23, 2004 | 08:31 PM
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Originally posted by Stekman
Do that, then learn how to type.
...and spell...

Old Dec 23, 2004 | 08:32 PM
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see if i am correct the maf doesn't even kick in untill 900 RPM, and since the car never went high that couldn't be it.
Old Dec 23, 2004 | 08:33 PM
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Originally posted by therckid
see if i am correct the maf doesn't even kick in untill 900 RPM.
You are incorrect.
Old Dec 23, 2004 | 08:34 PM
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no, i am very certain that until the car reaches a certain RPm the comuter doesn't even listen to the MAF sensor... so....
Old Dec 23, 2004 | 08:37 PM
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no, i am very certain that until the car reaches a certain RPm the comuter doesn't even listen to the MAF sensor... so....
What is the source of that info?

Post the title and volume of the book, or the name and phone# of the credible Delphi/GM engineer who said it.

(expecting some major McDonalds parking lot monkeyspank...)
Old Dec 23, 2004 | 08:40 PM
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You need an avatar Kev...
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Old Dec 23, 2004 | 08:40 PM
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No... maybe I'll save it for RB... :shrug:
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comuter
What the hell is a "comuter?"
Old Dec 23, 2004 | 08:42 PM
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i know from actuall experience, plus reading on here once..

when my CAI had been disconnected completely, and just rhe elbow was left on the plenum, the car would fire but onc eit hit the RPM of about 900 to 1.2k it would just quit trying, that was becuase the maf only kicks in at a certain RPM.
Old Dec 23, 2004 | 08:43 PM
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i know from actuall experience
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Old Dec 23, 2004 | 08:43 PM
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You need an avatar Kev...
Niiiiice!! I'm technically still anti-avatar-and-sig-pictures, but I'm coming down on the avatars after seeing that one.
Old Dec 23, 2004 | 08:46 PM
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Originally posted by therckid
i know from actuall experience, plus reading on here once..
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So...we've found a category of info even lower than McDonalds parking lot monkey-spank...
Old Dec 23, 2004 | 08:47 PM
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Originally posted by therckid
i know from actuall experience, plus reading on here once..

when my CAI had been disconnected completely, and just rhe elbow was left on the plenum, the car would fire but onc eit hit the RPM of about 900 to 1.2k it would just quit trying, that was becuase the maf only kicks in at a certain RPM.


Show me the damn post so I can correct that stupidity right now. Knowing you, we'll find a post or thread on WOT tuning with a MAF.
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Niiiiice!! I'm technically still anti-avatar-and-sig-pictures, but I'm coming down on the avatars after seeing that one.
Wussie!! I'll even resize it for you. And I'm the lazy one!
Old Dec 23, 2004 | 08:50 PM
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been looking but i still cant find it...


but this will be fixed hopefully by tomorow...
Old Dec 23, 2004 | 09:06 PM
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Hey shane did you maybe run out of gas d00d??

Car suddenly dies then wont start and you run battery down trying to restart....

If your not out of gas look at the ignition..

EDIT: " Is this like the 3rd thread in 3 days for you again or is it just 2 in 2 days"...
Old Dec 23, 2004 | 09:28 PM
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Hey shane did you maybe run out of gas d00d??

Car suddenly dies then wont start and you run battery down trying to restart....

If your not out of gas look at the ignition..

EDIT: " Is this like the 3rd thread in 3 days for you again or is it just 2 in 2 days"...
There ya go shane, did you check the gas gauge? You know, shane, I have never said this to anyone before, but I think you should sell your car and get a honda. One with a warranty.
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This has got to be the funniest thread I have seen in a while wait ...no it can't be ...I'm sure it's only 30,000 'missepllings' long.
Old Dec 23, 2004 | 09:58 PM
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Originally posted by ThommyDee's86Z
This has got to be the funniest thread I have seen in a while wait ...no it can't be ...I'm sure it's only 30,000 'missepllings' long.
If this is the funniest one, then you havent been following shanes posts. If you search for his name you will find he has a +50% lock percentage.
Old Dec 23, 2004 | 10:00 PM
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actually i had just put $20 in the tank an hour before that, and had been at home that entire hour before this, i had plenty of gas.

I called my step-dad and he told me the entire procedure to take the ignition apart to getthe module and the coil tested...

but i'll go ahead and buy some starting fluid and see if that helps also...
Old Dec 23, 2004 | 10:03 PM
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...but i'll go ahead and buy some starting fluid and see if that helps also...
Bwahahaha!!! I can see it already... his burn off relay is probably stuck on, he's gonna shoot the starting fluid in and FWOOOSH!!!

"d00dz, iunno, whyd my car blowed up?!?"
Old Dec 23, 2004 | 10:04 PM
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if the burn off relay was stuck on why would the car have stalled while i was at a stop light?
Old Dec 23, 2004 | 10:18 PM
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iunno d00d, ur the exprt.


Why would I expect you to listen this time?
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Originally posted by Red Devil
iunno d00d, ur the exprt.


Why would I expect you to listen this time?
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lol@the MAF comments

Guys, correct me if I'm wrong but if the ignition module takes a **** the fuel pump won't click on right? Doesn't the fuel pump use the ignition module as a reference?

I haven't had a TPI car in a while, I forget. I know my co-workers LO5 is setup that way.
Old Dec 23, 2004 | 10:29 PM
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...I haven't had a TPI car in a while...
*cough* What'd ya do with the turbo Tony? *cough*
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*cough* What'd ya do with the turbo Tony? *cough*
Sold it ****face
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WTF? I thought I had dibs bitch!! Who got it? Bill?
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WTF? I thought I had dibs bitch!! Who got it?
huh?

you had dibs on it? since when? was I awake for that conversation??

I had no idea you wanted it

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iunno d00d, ur the exprt.


Why would I expect you to listen this time?

BWAHAHAHAHA!!! Down with TheRetardKid!!
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I had no idea you wanted it
I think I was like the tenth person to catch on in a thread. I'm sure I probably posted after the thing was gone. I know Billy was coveting it so he'd have another stashed away. Did he get it? I'll bust on him to sell me it if he did damnit!!



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