I didnt know where else to post this.

I just wanted to express my sorrow and send my prayers out to those who were caught in todays tragedy and to those who have loved ones that still havent been heard of.

I know a lot of people on this board are from NY and a handfull are from around northern Va, Maryland area.

Take care everyone and please please no reckless driving or any other chaotic behavior.

 

Our thoughts go out to u on the east coast.

To all others:
give blood or make a donation to the red cross. This will take some time for all to recover. But, only the USA could take an assault like this and recover.

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What they said.

 

i just would like to say, that i knew something like this was going to happen, but also IF and only IF it has to do with those people that where celibratin in the street in the middle east, i want to see a big dead pile of those arabs, if thats was then i mean

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I'm with Blitzkreig about that big dead pile of arabs. I mean, we are about 99% sure who did this (Osama bin Ladin) so if we have to go over there and blow up Afghanistan just to get to him, go right ahead. They're over there dancing in the streets and passing out candy - they love this crap. bin Ladin was saying that we are the "oppressors" - like he's one to talk, he is a multibillionare who made his money through the oil business. And who buys like 25% of the worlds oil-----the US. So that makes us the oppressors? They're just jealous of us. I'm going to give blood tomorrow though, and I sure hope everyone else will too. I'm here around Norfolk, and it's just been really scary and chaotic with all of the military bases and naval ships here. But my thoughts and prayers go out to those involved in these events.

 

Common guys, give thy Arab nations a break.
These people over there have suffered alot more than what we have gone through today. Its not fair to judge people that we know little about!! Most of these people over there were raised to beleive that america is thier enemy and we are the reason there is so much suffering in thier nation. We did give Isrial the weapons that help keep palistine at bay, Lets see rocket launchers VRS. rocks.
We supplyed an army to fight every day people like you or I. What would you do In thier case? 90% of thier fighting people are our age and act accordingly, on emmotions and half truths, adreniline and fear. "AGE 15-32"
Not to suggest any age discrimination on thirdgen but I would say that 80% of the patrons to this site are of that age group; some older some yonger.
Besides we do not even know who is responceable for these horrible acts. But When we do find out who is responcable expect them to pay!!!! Pay big!


!!I DO NOT CONDONE TERROISTS ACTS IN ANY WAY!!
But we should gather facts before we react!
SSC




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SSC - I like the flag. Obviously we need to find out exactly who has done this and exterminate them. What we must also do is forget about politics because they will only hamper the waging of war and we most definately are at war here. The problem with our current foreign relations is that we allow far too many things like these terrorist attacks go without the proper response. We allow these inferior countries and groups to remain on the offensive. Your comments about their situation breed the lack of patriotism and unfounded sympathy for our enemy that has given us this inadequate set of foreign relations. This war did not start today - it merely escalated today. Do you think they care one bit about what happens to our civilians and families and children? Today is a perfect example of the level of their fanaticism. They do not think twice for even one second about killing tens of thousands of innocent people in an attempt to merely attract attention to their plight that none of those innocent civilians are responsible for. We, on the other hand, foolishly bend over backwards to avoid the death of even one innocent civilian.

If they dance in the streets with the news of American deaths, then they die with the rest. They have made their decision. They have chosen their fate.

If they want to include civilians in their attacks, than we must stop playing politics when we should be waging war. If Afghanistan wants to turn a blind eye towards this and keep protecting Bin Laden, than we should warn them about the consequences of their mistake in not turning him over and if they refuse to agree to our demands - remove their country, and them from the planet.... ALL OF THEM. This is the only message that will prove our resolve and our intolerance for these acts.

Obviously these terrorists do not think we can stop them. It is time we prove them wrong.

G0D Bless America.

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AMEN Matt

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Osama Bin Laden needs to die. Hell, give me my 30/30 Winchester and send me over there. I'll take care of him...

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I know that all of us here are ready to go and finish this fight once and for all. Every country that harbors or sponsors these guys should pay. I just happen to know a bunch of guys that can do it. Semper Fi.

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Matt,

Well spoken. Once the responsible parties are identified, the action should be swift and thorough. All politics aside, and world opinion be damned, we will scrape that filth off the Earth and bury it. Anyone who tries to hide them should be purged in the same action. If diplomacy and humanitarian aid have failed, as they apparently have, there is little recourse.

Our new friends the Japanese and Germans learned the same hard lesson about fanatcism, and have adjusted their philosophies accordingly. Apparently some people haven't been paying attention.


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Sarge,

We may be taking you up on that offer... I hope that the Iraqi government can be implicated as well, so we can clean up that problem at the same time. They've had ample warning and opportunity to change. Maybe we can clean out that whole corridor and give the land back to the Palestinians, so they can have a homeland like the Israelis. Arafat has been playing along and probably deserves a bit of a break. That would solve another problem.

And for anyone who has ever wondered, THIS is why we teach history classes. My only fear is that this could get really ugly, and more Americans and their allies will be at risk. This is one of those times that we bite the bullet and just do the task at hand, because it is the right thing to do.

To paraphrase a Japanese admiral following the attack on Pearl Harbor, "I'm afraid all we have done is awaken a sleeping giant, and given him an unbreakable resolve..."

We are resolved.

 

Very well said Matt87GTA.

 

Is there any doubt? What country is MOST LIKELY (and rich enough) to have helped these people? Afghanistan? Not likely, they are too poor that they can barely feed their own people.

What country has the biggest gripe with the U.S.? In the last couple of months, there has been a lot of "squirmishes" with Iraq and the "no fly zone". The timing is just too coincidental IMO.

The BIGGEST mistake of the 1991 Gulf War, is the U.S. and the allies didn't get Saddam. This time, don't make that same mistake.

 

we should have made the middle east into a parking lot back when Iraq was the problem.

 

It's probably better that I have no decision or influence in this matter. My anger is growing to the point where I'd probably decide to something rash, like pull out the big guns.

I don't mean nuclear weapons - they're far too cumbersome and sloppy, too much damage and poisoning of the planet. I mean the genetics. They are a very precise weapon with true finesse and an almost graceful accuracy. They only attack those with a particular genome and turn the host's own body into its worst enemy. Confusion, blindness, overall numbness, loss of speech, then motor control and immune systems, and finally a lack of involuntary functions until the body just shuts down. And it only lasts an agonizing six to ten days, so that by the time the host is aware of it from the cold-like symptoms, there is no time left to retaliate, or even speak congruently. Even if the host has conscious desires to react, his body does not comply and vegetation sets in. The limbs begin to atrophy and fall useless and stiff from rigor mortis as a reminder of his acts. And the best part is the collateral damage, so that not only does the target fall, but all his relatives with the common genome. Nearly an entire race can be eliminated if the genetic is made aggressive enough, with an increasing risk of the genes crossing breeding lines, of course, so a little conservatism would be advisable.

We can make artificial genes and implant crops and decorative plants so that specific insects are destroyed without harming the rest of the food chain that feeds on their carcasses. We can implant genetic code into animals and humans to make them into what we desire. And we can introduce genetic material into the supplies, air, food, and water of others to eliminate them. The planet could be rid of that genetic code forever, and the vultures that clean their bones wouldn't be harmed one bit. Beautifully insidious, effective, quiet, and covert - just like a terrorist society would want.

I told you it's a good thing I'm not "on the button".

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Vader
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I've done too much training for NBC (nuclear, biological, and chemical warfare) to agree with you bud. I do understand your feelings though. We'll get our revenge. We'll defeat this enemy, just as we have done so many times before. We will make any country pay for their actions or inaction, what ever the case may be. Let's use the courage and foresight of the passengers and crew of the flight that went down in PA to motivate us. They went down fighting in the true spirit of a warrior.

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Well, I want to see bin Laden's freeking head come back to the US to be on display in the Smithsonian. That's an exhibit worth seeing.

But aside from that, we really shouldn't react too quickly. I know how much everyone (me included) would love to just go over there and wipe out that entire region. But if we go over there and level Afghanistan, and it turns out somehow that it really wasn't bin Laden or Afghanistan, then we will be in some serious crap. He has the means and the money to get weapons of mass destruction, and that is what we need to try to prevent. I know how difficult it is to try to go about this in a civilized manner with people who obviously don't adhere to any rules of war, but with people like this, it just has to be done. If the nation of Islam declares a jihad on the US, then there will be even more crazy fu ckers coming over here to kill us all. We need to be sure of who did this,so that punishment is handed out to those who deserve it. But you know, even if it wasn't bin Laden, it wouldn't hurt to just pop a cap in him anyway, for everything that he has already done. At this point I really don't have a problem with going over there and napalm-ing civilians and innocent people, if that's what it takes to get the point across to them, or just sending a buttload of cruise missiles over there and leveling the place (*** forgive me). But like I said, if it is bin Laden, I won't be satisfied until I see his head on a stake at the Smithsonian or on the White House lawn or something.

 

Sarge,

That's why I said it's a good thing I'm not on the button. More level heads should prevail in times like this, and I haven't been feeling very level-headed in the last 24 hours...

I have no doubt that we will honor the heroic actions of those brave people who stood up and fought the hijackers on the Pennsylvania flight. They are true heroes, and probably saved countless lives in their selfless actions.

I also have no doubt that we will not only survive, but prevail. They wanted to make noise, we'll show them some noise. They wanted to effect changes, we can make their world change. They wanted to be free of us, I'd be happy to oblige them and "free" their spirits. We'll all be judged in the next world by powers far beyond our pitiful governments and armies. But we'll be judged on what we do on this Earth and the legacies we leave here.

I'd like to think the world will be a better, more peaceful, and safer place when I leave it, and will support any action toward that end. We have given the world a model for success. Many nations have used that model as a foundation, and those that haven't invested in their futures may have just squandered the opportunity. Too late for them, and too bad. Perhaps other nations will take the hint by their tragic loss that is about to occur.

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Please do not condemn an entire nation for the acts of the selfless, cowardly few.

I agree that those who did this gutless, cowardly act, must be punish. But not the entire nation. Get real.

It's talks of "yeah, i'll push the button" and "yeah, pile'em high and dead" that incites and contributes to loacl race/ethnic clashes.

Look at it this way, if a group of Americans were to go to (pick a country) and shamlessly slaugher 5000 of their people, would that country be justified in launching a nuclear attack on us?

I don't think so.

Yes, find the people responsible, find every last one of them and those who support them, and take swift action against them, but the loss of additional innocent lives would not do those who have perished any justice at all.

 

I also have spent far too many hours in MOPP 4 to agree with genetic warfare. But the effectiveness of it cannot be denied..... I would prefer a conventional attack on these pukes as it will transmit a better message to others that are thinking of doing anything like this. An NBC attack would likely not get the entire world's approval either, and we need a strong alliance with as much of the world as possible to stop these fanatics for good. Those of you that think that we are dropping to their level if we resort to violence need to remove your heads from your ***** as we are at war here. The people of the United States, and the rest of the world for that matter, need to prepare themselves to stomach some extremely violent and offensive acts that we MUST use to eliminate this enemy. There are going to be innocent deaths on both sides in a war. We obviously should not purposely go after their innocent women and children (keep in mind that they do go after our's...), but we must not let ANYTHING prevent us from succeeding in exterminating this filth from the planet - no matter what it might be.

 

You guys are all good to go. Level headed and focused. Remember that alot of those "inocent" masses we talk about that will be casualties in a real shooting war support the government and the terrorist activities in their countries. In my eyes, if you feed a terrorist, you are a terrorist. If you look the other way while they train on your land, you're only giving them free rent and a place to stay. My question is, where do we start???

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I think the reason we didn't take out Saddam was that we were not sure how the guy who would take his place would handle things after his death. I could be wrong.

I was in New York City on Tuesday. I work there. I was supposed to be down there that morning. A lot of people I knew were down there. Some of them I don't know if they are alive. I am ready to go to war. I am ready to seek revenge.


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Didnt Rosevelt say something like 'We dont need to bring Japan to justice, we need to bring them to their knees.'

If I got the quote right then thats what I wanna do to Bin Laden and anyone else out there terrorising innocent people for b.s reasons.

I have friends that worked in the pentagon, and relatives that worked at the WTC. Thank *** my friends from the Pentagon got out safly, but I havent heard from my relatives in NY. :-(

If we go to war im signing up the same day.. I wanna piece of them terrorists. A BIG piece.

 

If they start looking for volonteers to go over there I'll volenteer in a flash, no matter what job they have me doing. my queston is what are they waiting for?, we should have started bombing them by now. I agree with Vader I hope the Iraqi gov can be implicated becaused we have unfinished there.

 

Z,

I feel your anger. I can't even pretend to understand the pain that some of those who are closer to the victims may be experiencing right now.

We will have our justice, and we will prevail, not just survive. We haven't started the purge of this disease because we are smarter than they are. They apparently thought their cowardly actions would break us, and that the world would rally behind them in futile cause.

We are gathering evidence to convince the entire world that our response is justified. When the evidence is compelling, no one person, no political party, and no nation will be able to deny us our vengeance. We have a history of not striking swiftly and weakly at our avowed enemies, but positioning ourselves to deal a death blow and delivering it over an extended time at an unrelenting rate.

Our response to adversaries in WWII took several months to organize, and when the machine was set in motion there was no stopping it. We waited several months to amass forces in the middle east to push the Iraqis back into their country and deny them the ability to strike out against anyone else. All with minimal casualties to the "innocent" civilians.

We will likely take several weeks or months to organize a massive response to this act. Once it begins, it will be complete. It may not be a rapid action, and will likely involve ground troops in the theatre and involve more American casualties. But rest assured that there will be no doubt among all people of the world that the United States is not a wise target. We don't respond well to threats, and probably never will. We have a history of extending an open hand to those in need, and those who want to talk in a respectable manner. We also have a history of holding a large sword to the throats of those who would rather fight than cooperate.

The Eagle will kill the rat every time, and at the time and place that the Eagle decides.

This action to purge this disease will not start without a plan to complete it. It won't be over in a few days, or even a few weeks. It will be hard work, and will cost us some blood, some sweat, some of our innocence, and some of our humanity. We may have to set aside some of our conveniences, comforts, and luxuries for a time.

We need to be prepared to live with the burdens of waging war for some time, not because we are angry now, but because it is the right thing to do for ourselves and anyone in the world who wants eventual peace and freedom. If we fail to do this now, we'll condemn our children and grandchildren to fight the battle that we refused to fight. Personally, I would prefer that my children could devote their energies to more constructive efforts, and I plan to provide them the foundation upon which they can build that future. Our parents and grandparents did this for us, and we've had a free ride until now. Now it's our turn to take the initiative and fulfill our responsibilities to future generations across the globe.

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Vader,
We do NBC training on a regular basis. As a matter of fact, I have to go to the "gas chamber" next week. I mistakenly took genetics for meaning bio. I'm not familiar with genetic weapons. I'll have to talk to my NBC buddies...

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Jeff, I don't think there is ANY DOUBT by the rest of the world that the US was maliciously attacked in the most cowardly method possible. As a non-American, I was just as shocked and stunned when I first turned on the TV on Tuesday morning and thought I had the Movie Channel on.

As a frequent air traveller, this further struck home as it could have been me on that plane just as easily as anyone else.

But, because these cowards won't even acknowledge their actions, the US (and NATO should the US need a hand ) does not even know who to hit. So the US has to do some digging to show who the real perpetrators are and ALL of the people responsible (including countries) are identified and dealt with - severely.

The US has to make sure it does not make the same mistake it did in 1991, where it did not get ALL of the people (ie Saddam). Terrorists are a lot like mosquitoes, you have to kill them ALL. If you leave just a few, they will just come back later again and more virulent.

Let's just hope that some of the Arab countries will co-operate that are supposedly "friendly" to the US. It would also be a great show of strength if Russia and China joined in.

One thing for sure, the US is going to find out who it's real friends are, and which ones are just "fair weather".

 

good editorial

http://www.miami.com/herald/content/...ocs/000565.htm

 

Glenn,

I'll always remember what you, our friends in the North, did for us during the Iranian hostage crisis at risk to yourselves. I do a pretty good rendition of "Oh, Canada!" as a result. I'll remember that you, our allies, accepted the burden of excess air traffic, and even acted against unidentified aircraft travelling across your airspace on Tuesday. No one can dispute the brotherhood we enjoy in our daily lives, and the interdependence we have. We may quibble in sibling rivalry over who has the better hockey team, but when it matters, we will always stand together.

I'll stand by my earlier statement - we know who our friends are. Thanks for being there. I think your message was clear in your actions - "Leave our brothers alone." I hope we can return the favor.

Our common ally, the British, showed extreme compassion yesterday in the physically small but globally significant action of playing our national anthem at the changing of the guard at Buckinham Palace, breaking with centuries of tradition just to extend some compassion. This is selfless as well, considering that probably more than 500 British citizens lost their lives in the attack. We know who our friends truly are. I hope we can return the favor.

All across the globe, cooperation and compassion streamed inward, whether is was the active detention of suspects, or the symbolic gestures of the populus placing flowers at our embassies.

I am equally impressed with the unsolicited and unexpected outpouring of support from other sources, like the Russians. While our agendas may be different, our goals are likely the same. I will remember that for some time as well. My view of that society may be modified.

But when it really matters, there is nothing that will replace the compassion, support, and comfort from a close family member, like our brothers and sisters in the North.

We KNOW who our friends are.

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Be careful Jeff, you are starting to show your age. But I've been waiting for someone to mention the Iranian hostage taking incident back in the late 70s.

That was the incident that basically started all of this whole mess IMO. At that time, the US was reeling from the Vietnam war and starting to make peace initiatives through detente with the Russians and normalization of relations with China. Basically, the US wanted to get out of the "war business" and just live in peace (as I recall events at that time).

But then the Iranians overthrew the Shah and made the UNHEARD of (at that time) attack of a foreign embassy. Yes Canada "cheated" and created false Canadian Passports to allow the Americans to escape. And I STILL think that was the best course of action we could have taken, in spite of some critcism.

Since then, the US has been suffering attacks on its Embassys on a regular basis and slowly escalating until Tuesday.

In a way, those terrorists have done the US a big favor, because it let's people know EXACTLY what these people are capable of and what lenghts they will go to.

Their biggest mistake was hi-jacking 4 planes and killing as many people as they did. Had they only hi-jacked 1 plane and only hit the Pentagon, I don't think the American public or the world for that matter would realize how much of problem this REALLY IS. And any action by the US would be seen as "over reacting".

In a way, they made helped the US more than they inteneded to - by highlighting how much of a problem this really is. Let's just hope that people don't forget in the coming weeks and months.


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