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Old Sep 21, 2006 | 10:27 PM
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Power Steering Pulley

After several weeks of leaving vast lakes of fluid and dribbles several miles long, I decided to secure a new power steering pump shaft seal.
Ordered it from Autozone.
Removed the pump [certainly not the easiest or cleanest affair, as I couldn't find that last nut, w/o 1st removing the A.C. compressor from it's bracket]. Then, using a gear puller, I attempted to remove the double 'V'-groove pulley.
BENT THE PULLEY TO S**T., and it just won't budge more than that 1st 1/4". Even tried the right method, which involves pulling on the ridged-ring at the pulley's center. Yes, I used penetrating lube 1st. I hope that I have not squished the end of the shaft, which can be rectified with a file, if I ever get the pulley off.

How do I get it off, w/o ruining the shaft, and who has a pulley to spare, if I cannot locate it here in a local Brooklyn junk yard?

Even if I have spoiled the pump, and need to get a 'rebuilt', I still need a pulley and need to supply my old reservoir, which cannot be removed until the old pulley is removed.

Thoughts?

Thank you,
Seth
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Old Sep 21, 2006 | 10:47 PM
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I took my power steering pump to my local shop and they pulled it off with a puler and put it on the new pump for like $20
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Old Sep 21, 2006 | 10:58 PM
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Good 1st response, but I will need just as much luck just to find a machine shop. Very few left in this city of everything.

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Old Sep 21, 2006 | 11:32 PM
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I didnt even need to go to a machine shop just went to a little auto repair shop, they might even have one at an auto parts store
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Old Sep 22, 2006 | 10:06 AM
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Does auto zone rent tools? Advance auto in my area does, just rent a power steering pulley puller. I just did that 2 nights ago and worked fine and reinstalled fine last night. You might just have to go to the junk yard and get a new power steering unit, lots of GM cars run the same pump that is in the 3rd gens, just match one up and put it in. Probably alot cheaper than one from a parts store, and probably just as reliable.
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Old Sep 22, 2006 | 11:10 AM
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I am off to the few remaining j.ys now.
Borrowing the tool is good advice. The pump from the yard will most probably be contaminated with dirt, and therefore it is best to use only its pulley.

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Old Sep 22, 2006 | 11:33 AM
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Well if you are looking for something that is better than what you have (fix the leaks), you can flush the pump with a cleaner (something that will cut oil) and put new fluid in it, plus I would think that if you found one in the junk yard, still on a car, connected, that you would be fine, you would just have to probably take the puller with you to get the donor cars pulley off.
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Old Sep 23, 2006 | 05:10 PM
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I went to at least 8 j.y.s on Friday. Not even one was helpful. The last one, though, had a very nice guy who found an '86 pump in Queens. He told me that no one has these things on their shelves, because all are sold for 'rebuild'. That Queens j.y. is not too far, and the owner was nice enough to locate and look over the unit, when I phoned him. I plan to go on Monday.

If I didn't know better, I would say that the pulley has a retaining screw, as it barely moved under the tension of my puller.

Seth
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Old Sep 25, 2006 | 07:08 AM
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Sometimes the pulley is really on there, and of all the power steering pulleys Ive pulled, not one had a retaining screw, you might need to use an impact gun to get the pulley off, esspecially if it has never been off, it is probably really on there, and when you put it back on, make sure you put some grease or lube on the bearing surfaces, this will make the installation go much easier.
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Old Sep 25, 2006 | 09:15 AM
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I will take your advice. First let's see if I come home with a replacement.

Thank You,

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Old Oct 4, 2006 | 11:09 AM
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I purchased a j.y. pump/pulley assembly. Then got a cheap tool kit with the proper puller. Pulled pulleys. Installed shaft seal on my pump. Installed pulley. Had to use a bolt and washers because the kit's tool stripped [imported, but warranted, crap].
Reinstalled pump. Leak continues. Pulley has slight wobble, and shaft possibly has a worn bushing. Either might be causing the problem. I then got smart, and ordered from Autozone the rebuilt pump WITH reservoir. In the store, they only sell w/o tin reservoir, and charge more.
Then I ordered a NEW pulley from WWW.GMPartsDirect. Cheap enough to have done all this to begin with.

My fingers are sore and nails are dirty, but so goes life.

Later,

Seth
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Old Oct 4, 2006 | 12:55 PM
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I was using a power steering pump pulley puller. The pulley was so seized up on the shaft of the pump it broke the ear off the end of the pulley.
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Old Oct 4, 2006 | 01:18 PM
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In my years of working on cars power steering pullys can be a big PITA. But if you have the correct tool I have never not been able to get a pully off. Lots of pullers are sold. Most due the job, but when you get to some that are really a PITA you need one like the one that Mac Tools sells. It grabs the entire pully flange not just some of the pully like the one that Snapon sells. I am a very loyal to Snapon tools and they have been very good to me in the 20+ years of working on cars but their stuff is not always the best. If you look at the link here https://www.mactools.com/portal/site...extfmt=default

You will see inmy opinion the best power steering pump puller available. While it is not cheap @ $64.99. Having the correct tool for the job saves headaches. I am sure that running all around the area looking for a new pulley was worth something.

Anyway they also make some really great power steering pump installers too.
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Old Oct 4, 2006 | 09:31 PM
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It is quite sick that the installation tool stripped to s**t, but then a simple bolt and spacer washers worked just fine. They make crap BECAUSE WE ACCEPT IT. Nothing is as it was. Nothing is as it should be.

Quality and pride-in-manufacturing are dead.

I prefer ANALOG records over digitally-processed crap; older, better-designed cars; older, better-designed women, Victorian houses, and Pepsi over Coke.

What exactly this has to do with the thread is beyond me, but I did try to make a point.

Seth
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Old Oct 5, 2006 | 07:21 AM
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As a matter of fact the one I used was snap on. I just did that two days ago. Therefore, I'm still looking for a pulley. luckily I'm in the process of building the engine. The only way I know to get this pump off my bracket now is to cut the thing off. Not worried about the pump, I have another one, but I was pissed about the pulley cause I needed it and the bracket. Anyone know where I can get a pulley from?
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Old Oct 5, 2006 | 09:47 AM
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If your pulley is double 'v'-groove, on a car with a.c., then you need the same pulley. The part # is embossed on the pulley, and as I said, WWW.gmpartsdirect has this item. Even if yours is different, look to them for your part. When on their website, type in only the numbers of the part #, as the letters make it come up as n.a..

Seth
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Old Oct 6, 2006 | 07:19 AM
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I'm converting everthing to serpentine. I went on the site last night and typed in the part # from the pulley i just cut off wit a plasma cutter. trashed the pump since I had another one. Hopefully the pulley comes off the other one ok. They had my pulley for $17 plus like $10 for shipping. If no luck at the junkyard today, then I'll be ordering the new one.
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Old Oct 11, 2006 | 09:56 PM
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Installed rebuilt pump [came pre-installed in the tin reservoir], and NEW pulley.
Still drips from somewhere. Hopefully it is from newish hi-pressure hose. Will investigate after the rains stop.

Seth
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Old Oct 12, 2006 | 07:08 AM
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Yes maybe your leak wasnt from the pump itself, maybe you have a problem with one of the hoses.
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Old Nov 5, 2006 | 07:00 PM
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I finally installed the AGR pump and used the recommended purple synthetic fluid. Worth the additional price for this pump and synthetic fluid, because it works!!!!!!!
The hardest part was installing the pump in the tin reservoir.

Now back to my nemisis: That ******* noise. When I can, I will post it, for all to hear. I have all Winter to tinker [barring bitter-cold weather and snow]. Will also give me time to find the leak in the A.C., so that I don't lose my last batch of R-12.

Thanks Again,

Seth
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Old Nov 5, 2006 | 07:17 PM
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Even with the correct tool (I have the SnapOn) they can sometimes slip out of the groove- bad bad bad. I use a giant pair of vice grips to clamp the jaws down on the groove- not just the adjustment bolt. I mean I put that b*tch on there. Then I heat one side of the collar with a torch just to try to get the two metals to "let go" of eachother, even if only a little bit. Off she comes.

I dread doing power steering pulley changes. It's black art. Kinda thing that separates real mechanics from hacks like me.
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