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Crankcase pressue.. which is better? Positive or Negative?

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Old Sep 26, 2006 | 12:38 PM
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Crankcase pressue.. which is better? Positive or Negative?

Ok so, which crankcase pressure is best, keep the crank case pressurized to stop blowby, or vacuum it out?
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Old Sep 26, 2006 | 12:43 PM
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Normally you'd want the crankcase to be under vacuum to stop blowby, not under pressure.
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Old Sep 26, 2006 | 12:46 PM
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and how exactly does vacuum stop blowby? sucks the rings to the piston walls?
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Old Sep 26, 2006 | 01:13 PM
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pressurized to stop blowby
Well, think of it this way.... Cyl pressure is on the order of 1000-1500 psi. So, how much pressure do you think you can get in that crankcase, anyway? I don't think the difference between hard outer space vacuum (0 vs 15 psi absolute ), or even between 1 atmosphere and 2 atmospheres (15 vs 30 psi absolute), is going to make much difference to blowby. In fact, even if you had a typical air compressor in your car and could put 120 psia in it (135 absolute), you wouldn't significantly affect blowby.

On the other hand, when a piston moves, air is displaced below the piston, in the crankcase, as well as above the piston where we're really concerned with. This is a loss to the pumping action above the piston. Pulling a vacuum in the crankcase reduces the loss.
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Old Sep 26, 2006 | 01:59 PM
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Idealy you want a small negitive pressure (vacuum) in the crankcase. The PCV creates a small vacuum and the breather helps vent the rest of the pressure and heat built up in the crankcase. A large vacuum in the crankcase wont help reduce blowby, only new rings will.
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Old Sep 26, 2006 | 03:26 PM
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Some racing engines use a vacuum pump to put a negative pressure in the crankcase. Good horsepower gains can be had depending on the combo. We are talking 30 to 40 horsepower with high output motors.
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Old Sep 26, 2006 | 07:41 PM
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Very high output engines. I run an electric vacuum pump to compliment the header evac system. Mainly I use it to pull the condensation out of the crankcase after a run. While the engine is running at an idle, I only get 2-3 inches of vacuum. Under power, the crankcase goes into pressure. That's why I still use a header evac system. A good belt driven vacuum pump will increase the flow of air as the engine rpms change. I've never run this engine without the vacuum pump so I don't know if it makes a difference in power.

The best way to find oil leaks is to pressurize the system. Plug the breathers/PCV for 30 seconds or so then if you unplug them, there should be pressure blowing out briefly. Any leaking gaskets/seals will have oil leaks once the crankcase is pressurized. If you can keep the crankcase in a vacuum, you can eliminate those leaks. The rings will also seat a bit better but you really need low tension rings to see an improvement. I use total seal rings and have 2% leakdown so the vacuum pump won't help there.

Belt driven vacuum pumps can pull a lot of air. Vacuum relief valves are installed to keep the vacuum below 12". By about 15-17" of vacuum, you can start pulling oil from the bearings. Any good vacuum pump can easily pull 28" but when the engine is running, the pump also needs to move a lot of air to maintain that kind of vacuum.

As mentioned above, the PCV valve pulls the crankcase into a bit of a vacuum but it's using manifold vacuum. Under WOT, manifold vacuum drops to almost zero. You're also pulling and moisture/dirt from the crankcase oil back into the intake. Water doesn't burn. If your rings have a lot of blowby, you get a lot of contamination going back into the intake.
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