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Old 12-02-2008, 12:02 AM
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Timing chain position question??

Just a quick one for you guys.....on a Cloyes timing chain, when the two dots on the gears are pointing at each other, does that mean #1 is firing, or #6?
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Dot to dot is #6 firing.
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Re: Timing chain position question??

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Dot to dot is #6 firing.
Damn, thats what I thought. All this troubleshooting and I cant figure out why my car is blowing flames out the carb. I think I may have a bad set of heads, even though they are brand new. This is unbelievable.

Timing is dead on, brand new MSD dizzy. Rotor wasn't 180 off, timing chain is right on, dot to dot. Valves have been adjusted time and time again, even by a guy that builds race engines. I played with the timing with a timing light and set it right where it should be and the car runs like absolute crap and pops and blows flames throught he carb! Went through the wires and they are all in the correct spots. IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE THAT CAN CAUSE THIS!!??
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There are plenty of things that could cause that. #1 is having the distributor 180 degrees off. If it runs at all, timing becomes suspicious. Are you sure your damper and timing tab were meant for each other?

New anything doesn't guarantee anything. You need to verify things are good. Heads for instance, via a compression or leak-down test.
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There are plenty of things that could cause that. #1 is having the distributor 180 degrees off. If it runs at all, timing becomes suspicious. Are you sure your damper and timing tab were meant for each other?

New anything doesn't guarantee anything. You need to verify things are good. Heads for instance, via a compression or leak-down test.
The timing tab was meant for the damper. Had the same damper and timing tab on my 305 and it was dead on.

With the crank gear dot at 12 o'clock and the cam gear dot at 6 o'clock, the rotor is on the #6 wire, which is correct for a SBC. I had my car up at a shop and I know they did a compression test and it checked out perfect. Not sure about a leak down test, or if the two are even different from each other. All I know is if I can't figure this out soon, this motor is goin bye bye and my nice 400 sitting around will be going in sooner than planned!
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Re: Timing chain position question??

I'm only bringing this up b/c it happened to me once ... any chance your timing light has the feature to check the timing advance? Is it set to zero?

After checking the total advance on my neighbors car I forgot to set it back to zero and attempted to time my engine. It got a little exciting until I figured out I was setting the base timing at 30+ degrees BTDC.
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Re: Timing chain position question??

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I'm only bringing this up b/c it happened to me once ... any chance your timing light has the feature to check the timing advance? Is it set to zero?

After checking the total advance on my neighbors car I forgot to set it back to zero and attempted to time my engine. It got a little exciting until I figured out I was setting the base timing at 30+ degrees BTDC.
It does have an advance **** on it but I was setting it with it at 0. Haha, good point though. Is there anyone that can help with this?
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Re: Timing chain position question??

Sounds like a firing order problem to me. You are using top quality plug wires. You have them seperated and not bundled together so they're not cross firing.
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Sounds like a firing order problem to me. You are using top quality plug wires. You have them seperated and not bundled together so they're not cross firing.
There not bundled together....they are seperated with plug wire holders, but they aren't in the greatest shape. Came off a otor that ran pretty good though, so I'd have to believe theres nothing wrong with them.
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So I guess this means the miniram was not your running problem?

You either have a severe misfire/crossfire, or more likely your timing is way off. Ignore your damper and pointer, and call them wrong. Put the #1 at TDC, and check your zero. I'm going to take a wild guess and say its off. If thats actually ok, check your engine ground, ohm test the plug wires, make sure you have the right spark plugs, and check the spark to see if the coil is working adequately. Somewhere you're going to find a problem. Verify it all yourself. This is all easy stuff to do, and that way you arent relying on anyone else who may or may not be doing their job right.
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Re: Timing chain position question??

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So I guess this means the miniram was not your running problem?
Thats funny. . . but not that funny. . . . . .No, that really is funny, haha .....but at this point, I really could care less what kind of induction is on the motor, I just want to drive my damn car!!! It's only money and I can change it back later if I really want to. But I will double check the balancer and timing tab just to be sure, and put my new wires on to see if that helps.(I bought new wires but never put them on because I wanted the motor to run good first before I cut them to length.)
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