Possible 350 Build
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From: Casper, Wyoming
Car: 1982 Camaro Z28 w/ RS groundfx
Engine: 350
Transmission: Tranzparts 700r4
Axle/Gears: 3.23's
Possible 350 Build
I was just wondering if this would be a decent combination...
Edelbrock Performer RPM Manifold
Patriot Performance Freedom Series Heads
Luanti Bracket Master II Cam and Lifters Kit
Federal Mogul Premium Engine Rebuild Kit
Questions along with this setup are, what stall converter would be a good choice? Gears? Carb? Fuel Pump? The car has Dynomax shorty headers and a 2.25" dual exhaust. I'm trying to aim the car's performance toward fun on the street and limited strip time on a modest budget... Any performance figures?
Edelbrock Performer RPM Manifold
Patriot Performance Freedom Series Heads
Luanti Bracket Master II Cam and Lifters Kit
Federal Mogul Premium Engine Rebuild Kit
Questions along with this setup are, what stall converter would be a good choice? Gears? Carb? Fuel Pump? The car has Dynomax shorty headers and a 2.25" dual exhaust. I'm trying to aim the car's performance toward fun on the street and limited strip time on a modest budget... Any performance figures?
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From: Casper, Wyoming
Car: 1982 Camaro Z28 w/ RS groundfx
Engine: 350
Transmission: Tranzparts 700r4
Axle/Gears: 3.23's
Re: Possible 350 Build
I was also thinking about the Performer RPM 7102. And possibly the Performer RPM Series Heads instead of the Patriot heads. "Any" suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
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From: Winnipeg, MB, Canada
Car: 1984 Camaro Z28 T-tops
Engine: 350
Transmission: T-5
Axle/Gears: 3.23
Re: Possible 350 Build
I've heard alot of people call the lobes on that performer rpm cam outdated, so I'd probably avoid it.
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From: Grand Rapids, MI
Car: Z28
Engine: Sb2.2 406
Transmission: Jerico 4 speed
Axle/Gears: Ford 9" 3.60
Re: Possible 350 Build
The only thing slower than the ramp rates on the RPM cam, is the rate of growth of a dead frogs toenail.
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Car: 89 camaro rs
Engine: 406sbc
Transmission: 700r4 2800 stall
Axle/Gears: 4.56
Re: Possible 350 Build
I was just wondering if this would be a decent combination...
Edelbrock Performer RPM Manifold
Patriot Performance Freedom Series Heads
Luanti Bracket Master II Cam and Lifters Kit
Federal Mogul Premium Engine Rebuild Kit
Questions along with this setup are, what stall converter would be a good choice? Gears? Carb? Fuel Pump? The car has Dynomax shorty headers and a 2.25" dual exhaust. I'm trying to aim the car's performance toward fun on the street and limited strip time on a modest budget... Any performance figures?
Edelbrock Performer RPM Manifold
Patriot Performance Freedom Series Heads
Luanti Bracket Master II Cam and Lifters Kit
Federal Mogul Premium Engine Rebuild Kit
Questions along with this setup are, what stall converter would be a good choice? Gears? Carb? Fuel Pump? The car has Dynomax shorty headers and a 2.25" dual exhaust. I'm trying to aim the car's performance toward fun on the street and limited strip time on a modest budget... Any performance figures?
Good luck with the motor. I think you will like the combo for a hot street mild strip engine.
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From: moberly, Mo
Car: 91 rs
Engine: 383 290 cam aed carb
Transmission: th350
Axle/Gears: 4.10 ticking time bomb
Re: Possible 350 Build
I also think you should run patriot heads and that intake, that cam would be fine, but lunati has a much updated camshaft line called voodoo, they are not more expensive, and have a much faster ramp, which will equal more power, I would pick a cam in that lineup of the same size or maybe one step bigger.
Your converter choice will have to include your cam rpm range, but you will have to make a sacrifice, either power or driveability, and your rear gear will play a big role as well, the lower the gear, the tighter the converter will seem, If you use a 3000 converter with a 3.08 gear it will be really sloppy, but the same converter with a 4.10 will seem tight, but a lockup converter can be the best of both worlds.
Your converter choice will have to include your cam rpm range, but you will have to make a sacrifice, either power or driveability, and your rear gear will play a big role as well, the lower the gear, the tighter the converter will seem, If you use a 3000 converter with a 3.08 gear it will be really sloppy, but the same converter with a 4.10 will seem tight, but a lockup converter can be the best of both worlds.
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Car: 89 camaro rs
Engine: 406sbc
Transmission: 700r4 2800 stall
Axle/Gears: 4.56
Re: Possible 350 Build
What are you planning to do with this car? A hot street set up or a bracket car? If you are running a 308 gear your car isn't going to like that big of a cam. You will either be free spinning your converter (if it is in overdrive at highway speeds for anything above about 1800rpm) causing escessive heat build up which will destroy your trans or you will be driving in drive and loosing the benefit of the overdrive. For your setup I would seriously consider a voodoo 256 or 262. I ran the 256 in my camaro with 350- rpm air gap, 1 3/4 inch shorties, 670 holley, 2300 stall, and three inch exhaust. I also had a set of ported vortecs that would flow 260. This combo with a 410 gear was good for 8.40's in the eighth at 83 mph. I installed the cam 4 degrees retarded and ran it all year shifting at 6200 rpm. Idle was dead smooth and pulled 19 inches vaccuum. Sleeper motor deluxe. I raced several LS1 ss's and z28's. Beat them by about 1 1/2 car lengths in the eighth with this setup. Also had a buddy with the 268 voodoo in a 377. That thing was wicked fast. Voodoo cams are definately cutting edge on cam tech.
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From: Casper, Wyoming
Car: 1982 Camaro Z28 w/ RS groundfx
Engine: 350
Transmission: Tranzparts 700r4
Axle/Gears: 3.23's
Re: Possible 350 Build
The patriot heads are supposed to be decent street heads. It's hard to beat the performance of the edelbrock RPM. If I were building a steet/strip 350 I would recommend using the 292 Lunati BM (if that is the line you are looking at or go Voodoo and run the 268.) We ran a 9.5:1 compression with that cam and an RPM air gap with 670 street dominatorcarb and shorty headers, 2200 stall and 411 gears. It made good power and pulled to 6500rpm. Only difference is we were running ported vortecs. Ran high 8.20's in the eighth mile at 83 mph. 60 footed lows 1.90's to high 1.80's. That cam also has a nasty idle in a 350 and made plenty of vacuum for power brakes.
Good luck with the motor. I think you will like the combo for a hot street mild strip engine.
Good luck with the motor. I think you will like the combo for a hot street mild strip engine.
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From: moberly, Mo
Car: 91 rs
Engine: 383 290 cam aed carb
Transmission: th350
Axle/Gears: 4.10 ticking time bomb
Re: Possible 350 Build
I think that cam would work great for your combo, with it you wont need a sloppy converter, and that is a plus. Why would you run performer heads, they are easily the worst flowing aftermarket head out there, edelbrock makes good intakes, there cams suck, and there heads are so-so. I think you would be better off with vortecs then performer heads, especially with the money saved. If you do want to spend this kind of money on heads, buy afrs, Darts, RHS, or some other head maker, those guys make cylinder heads for a living, that is all they do, Edelbrock made a good name making manifolds, and then used that good name to remake a carter AFB carb, some shitty cams, and cylinder heads.
Now do not get me wrong, you can make good power with those heads,and some people do, but compared to other heads in that price range they are inferior.
Now do not get me wrong, you can make good power with those heads,and some people do, but compared to other heads in that price range they are inferior.
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Car: 89 camaro rs
Engine: 406sbc
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Axle/Gears: 4.56
Re: Possible 350 Build
For the cost of those heads you could purchase a set of trick flows or you could go vortec with upgrades on the springs and lift and still buy a vortec style intake. Competition Products makes a great air gap style intake at a fraction of the cost of edlebrock. I have personally run two of their intakes with great results. If you want a mean sounding idle in a 350 and are willing to run a converter with 2500 rpm worth of stall go with the 292 Lunati. Also with 1.5 rockers you can run this cam on vortecs with only lt1 drop in springs and you will not run into clearance issues. We have done this several times with no problem. This combo with 411 gears will run hi 12's extremely low 13's easily and will be streetable. You can expect around 14-15 lbs or vaccuum. Plenty for power brakes. Best off all you will be able to pull all of these new mustangs on the road. I have raced zo6 vettes, ss slp camaros, new mustangs, and new gto's with this combo in the 1/8 mile. The only one who gave me any trouble was the zo6 1 out of 3 times and that was because I hit a bad light. The other two times I pulled him by a car length. You cannot beat the torque that a set of vortecs with mild porting will give you on this time of motor unless you spend the money on a set of AFR 195 (Be prepared to shell out for those).
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Yes I also think the 268 voodo cam would be a great choice. In my opinion Lunati is the stuff when it comes to camshafts. The voodoo cams have been tested and proven to outperform comp extremes by 10-15 horse for comparable grinds. If you run the voodoo make sure you have enough spring pressure. Their lobe profiles are extremely aggressive.
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Yes I also think the 268 voodo cam would be a great choice. In my opinion Lunati is the stuff when it comes to camshafts. The voodoo cams have been tested and proven to outperform comp extremes by 10-15 horse for comparable grinds. If you run the voodoo make sure you have enough spring pressure. Their lobe profiles are extremely aggressive.
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From: moberly, Mo
Car: 91 rs
Engine: 383 290 cam aed carb
Transmission: th350
Axle/Gears: 4.10 ticking time bomb
Re: Possible 350 Build
I agree with him, vortecs on the cheap, Or afrs, if you want to spend some money, I have laso had good luck with patriot heads, and the price is right on those as well, the 292 cam would sound mean, but I think your smaller voodoo would help your driveability, I have always went for that mean idle myself, I would hate to build a motor for high performance that you could not hear the cam, but what is even worse is building a motor that sounds awesome, but runs like stock, I have done that too,Whoops, so be careful with the cam selection!
Re: Possible 350 Build
You cannot get a better head than the Patriots for anywhere close to the money. The guy who runs the machine shop I use has two racecars putting out over five hundred horses with them. He's who talked me into buying mine. If you look at them with a set of edelbrocks setting next to them you can see the diference in quality. Buy PATRIOT!
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My personal opinion for a cam is COMP. Excelent quality and if you call their tech line they can advise you on the best cam for your combo. It takes the guesswork out of cam choice.
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My personal opinion for a cam is COMP. Excelent quality and if you call their tech line they can advise you on the best cam for your combo. It takes the guesswork out of cam choice.
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