Carb backfires won't even start need help
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Car: 86 Firebird LG4
Engine: 350
Transmission: 700r4
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Carb backfires won't even start need help
I'm using the computer controlled carb and distributor.
I tried starting it and all I hear is the puff sound. When I opened the hood I could see smoke, mostly by the brake cylinder area.
I'm sure I have the distributor put in on #1 compression (I turned the crank until I felt air, then turned a little more till it was at 0 on the timing tab).
I have the plug wire firing order right and the #1 plug is facing #1 cylinder. I'm not sure what else to do. Anyone have any ideas?
I tried starting it and all I hear is the puff sound. When I opened the hood I could see smoke, mostly by the brake cylinder area.
I'm sure I have the distributor put in on #1 compression (I turned the crank until I felt air, then turned a little more till it was at 0 on the timing tab).
I have the plug wire firing order right and the #1 plug is facing #1 cylinder. I'm not sure what else to do. Anyone have any ideas?
Re: Carb backfires won't even start need help
I'm using the computer controlled carb and distributor.
I tried starting it and all I hear is the puff sound. When I opened the hood I could see smoke, mostly by the brake cylinder area.
I'm sure I have the distributor put in on #1 compression (I turned the crank until I felt air, then turned a little more till it was at 0 on the timing tab).
I have the plug wire firing order right and the #1 plug is facing #1 cylinder. I'm not sure what else to do. Anyone have any ideas?
I tried starting it and all I hear is the puff sound. When I opened the hood I could see smoke, mostly by the brake cylinder area.
I'm sure I have the distributor put in on #1 compression (I turned the crank until I felt air, then turned a little more till it was at 0 on the timing tab).
I have the plug wire firing order right and the #1 plug is facing #1 cylinder. I'm not sure what else to do. Anyone have any ideas?
your timing is off. Get back to it. And who cares if the #1 plug wire is at 9 o'clock? Just mark the dist cap where #1 really is and then follow the firing order.
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Car: 86 Firebird LG4
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Re: Carb backfires won't even start need help
Re: Carb backfires won't even start need help
Def. a timing issue. Not sure about the factory motors since I have done a carbed engine swap on mine, but try 8 degress on the timing tab. Pull the cap so you know exactly where your rotor sits, mark it on the base and line it up. Also double check exhaust/power stroke. That should get her running. If its a new motor, double check that your rockers arn't to tight, and properly adjusted.
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Car: 86 Firebird LG4
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Re: Carb backfires won't even start need help
I'll try reinstalling it tomorrow.. again.
Re: Carb backfires won't even start need help
it's a heck of a lot easier to just move the wires on the dist cap 180 degrees and give her a whirl to see if that's it.
After rebuilding my 305 my #1 isn't at 5:00 or 5:30. It ended up being at 3:00 because I was too lazy to yank the distributor back out and try again.
I marked the dist cap so the next owner will know.
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Car: 86 Firebird LG4
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Re: Carb backfires won't even start need help
I did end up reinstalling the distributor today.
1. turned crank until the paper towel shot out of the #1 spark plug hole then turned it a little more until the mark reached the timing tab.
2. installed distributor with rotor facing around 5:30
3. marked #1 on the cap exactly where the rotor was pointing and installed the rest of the wires as 18436572.
Tried to start it and same thing. This time I left the hood open I think I could see a couple of sparks come out of the carb too.
I don't think I messed anything up here. When I adjusted the valves I tightened the pushrod just until I couldn't move it up and down then gave it 1/4 turn.
Anyone have any suggestions? I did get it to run for about 2 seconds with the motor on a stand but the carb and distributor were CC and they weren't hooked up so I think that's why. No backfiring while on a stand.
1. turned crank until the paper towel shot out of the #1 spark plug hole then turned it a little more until the mark reached the timing tab.
2. installed distributor with rotor facing around 5:30
3. marked #1 on the cap exactly where the rotor was pointing and installed the rest of the wires as 18436572.
Tried to start it and same thing. This time I left the hood open I think I could see a couple of sparks come out of the carb too.
I don't think I messed anything up here. When I adjusted the valves I tightened the pushrod just until I couldn't move it up and down then gave it 1/4 turn.
Anyone have any suggestions? I did get it to run for about 2 seconds with the motor on a stand but the carb and distributor were CC and they weren't hooked up so I think that's why. No backfiring while on a stand.
Last edited by 0pyders; Aug 6, 2011 at 09:08 PM.
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Re: Carb backfires won't even start need help
It still sounds like you have a timing issue. You need to make sure that when you stab the distributor the engine is at TDC of the compression stroke. The timing mark on the balancer will line up with 0 on the timing tab twice during a complete engine cycle. Once when the piston is at TDC on the compression stroke, and once when the piston is at TDC of the exhaust stroke. Pull the valve cover off and with #1 at TDC and the mark on the balancer at 0 on the timing tab, both valves should be closed, as in compression. If the exhaust valve is open, it's at TDC of the exhaust stroke. rotate the engine another revolution and line up the balancer mark with 0 on the timing tab and stab the distributor. bam. done.
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Re: Carb backfires won't even start need help
I had the same issue when i did my swap. Try turning the distributor a little bit either clockwise or counter clock wise and try starting it. You might be out of time enough that it is doing that.
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Re: Carb backfires won't even start need help
I tried this and it's not backfiring anymore ( I retarded it a bit). But it still won't start lol. I think I can get it now though, I didn't pump the peddle . I'm using 305 heads on a 350 engine (deep dish) so I guess the timing needed to be a little lower than stock because of the higher compression. Or maybe I have no idea what I'm talking about, either way, thanks for your help everyone.
Last edited by 0pyders; Aug 12, 2011 at 08:42 PM.
Re: Carb backfires won't even start need help
Did you adjust the valves properly? You cannot adjust them all at the same crankshaft position. If they are to tight they may not be opening enough or at all.
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Car: 86 Firebird LG4
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Transmission: 700r4
Axle/Gears: 3.23 limited slip
Re: Carb backfires won't even start need help
I adjusted the valves twice, I think I got it right this time.
I went by this article: http://www.crankshaftcoalition.com/w...valves_SBC_BBC
Turned engine until both lifters were down and adjusted #1 intake and exhaust valves. Then turned it until #8 cylinder valves were down and adjusted them, etc. I turned the nut just until I couldn't move the pushrod up and down anymore then gave it another 1/4 turn. Isn't that all right?
I went by this article: http://www.crankshaftcoalition.com/w...valves_SBC_BBC
Turned engine until both lifters were down and adjusted #1 intake and exhaust valves. Then turned it until #8 cylinder valves were down and adjusted them, etc. I turned the nut just until I couldn't move the pushrod up and down anymore then gave it another 1/4 turn. Isn't that all right?
Re: Carb backfires won't even start need help
Could be, or you could have adjusted them 360* off. If you made sure you were TDC on the comp. stroke you should be good. Here is the ez method, copy and pasted.
1. Turn engine to TDC.
2. Adjust intake rockers on #1, #2, #5, #7.
3. Adjust exhaust rockers on #1, #3, #4, #8.
4. Rotate engine ONE turn (BDC).
5. Adjust intake rockers on #3, #4, #6, #8.
6. Adjust exhaust rockers on #2, #5, #6, #7.
1. Turn engine to TDC.
2. Adjust intake rockers on #1, #2, #5, #7.
3. Adjust exhaust rockers on #1, #3, #4, #8.
4. Rotate engine ONE turn (BDC).
5. Adjust intake rockers on #3, #4, #6, #8.
6. Adjust exhaust rockers on #2, #5, #6, #7.
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Car: 86 Firebird LG4
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Re: Carb backfires won't even start need help
Still won't start, think next I'm going to take the valve covers off and see if the lifters are still working. After then I think I'll just enter it into a freak show, it's just amazing that it will not work good god. I know I didn't mess up anything on my bit, not my fault this time.
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From: Saint Louis, MO
Car: 86 Firebird LG4
Engine: 350
Transmission: 700r4
Axle/Gears: 3.23 limited slip
Re: Carb backfires won't even start need help
hey wait I just thought of something.
I bought a new CC Q jet and I have never tuned it I just installed it. Is there something I could check on the carb to see if something is out of adjustment that would cause my problem?
I bought a new CC Q jet and I have never tuned it I just installed it. Is there something I could check on the carb to see if something is out of adjustment that would cause my problem?
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From: Saint Louis, MO
Car: 86 Firebird LG4
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Re: Carb backfires won't even start need help
Hey I got it working. Thanks guys. Turns out that I had to redo the line on my damper because i bought a 12 o clock when i needed a 3 o clock positioning. but I made the mark on the oppossite side of what I needed . So it was all my fault lol
Also this time I put a little bit of fuel into the carb directly
and I also had the distributor wiring facing the passenger instead of the driver so i switched that.
Also this time I put a little bit of fuel into the carb directly
and I also had the distributor wiring facing the passenger instead of the driver so i switched that.
Last edited by 0pyders; Aug 16, 2011 at 07:09 PM.
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