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Old Jan 15, 2013 | 10:43 PM
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305 TPI - Starts but won't hold idle

Forgive me, I'm not that mechanically inclinded. Car started having issues this morning. I turn the key and the engine will fire up but dies immidiatly. I can hold the gas pedal down but it'll die after I let off. It won't idle on it's own. The fuel pump is working (as I can hear it prime when the key is turned to on). I'm also noticing coolant gathering around the mounting bolts on the intake manifold on both sides, not sure if thats related. Any ideas what I should look for as to whats causeing the problem?

It's a bone stock 305 TPI w/ Auto tranny.
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Old Jan 15, 2013 | 10:53 PM
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Re: 305 TPI - Starts but won't hold idle

All your injectors are good? Not sure about the coolant part.... doesn't sound good though.
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Old Jan 15, 2013 | 11:16 PM
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Re: 305 TPI - Starts but won't hold idle

Not sure. How do you check the injectors?
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Old Jan 16, 2013 | 10:52 AM
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Re: 305 TPI - Starts but won't hold idle

You would need a fuel pressure gauge. You can clean the tb and the maf. You can also check codes.
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Old Jan 16, 2013 | 11:24 AM
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Re: 305 TPI - Starts but won't hold idle

As you say you are not mechanically inclined, I would just suggest going to a shop and have them run some codes and check some stuff out.
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Old Jan 16, 2013 | 01:27 PM
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Re: 305 TPI - Starts but won't hold idle

BECOME MECHANICALLY INCLINED!!!!!! lol

Sounds Like IAC to me.
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Old Jan 16, 2013 | 07:32 PM
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Re: 305 TPI - Starts but won't hold idle

I want to learn, hence why i haven't taken itto a shop yet. I thought about the IAC too. I took the throttle body off and cleaned it and the iac as best i could. I didnt know this engine had a maf - where is it? Its gota look a lot differant than the one on my 96 lt1.

Would the car throw codes if the ces light isnt on (cause its not)?
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Old Jan 16, 2013 | 07:46 PM
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Car: 82 S10, 83 280ZX, 84 Z28
Engine: 355 smallblocks..na, 2.8 turbo
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Re: 305 TPI - Starts but won't hold idle

Yes. You need an OBD1 scanner. The bulb could have blown. Does the cel light come on with the key on engine off? If your car has a maf it will be between the air filter and tb. You can also listen for vac leaks. Does the engine run good otherwise?
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Old Jan 16, 2013 | 07:58 PM
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Engine: 305 5.0 tpi v8
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Re: 305 TPI - Starts but won't hold idle

Yes, the ces comes on with the key on - so i know its not a burnt bulb. I supose i dont have a maf then so i can check that off the list. The engine ran good before all this but since it wont stay running checking for vacume leaks might be a bit hard.

Ok, obd1 scanner, ill look into that. Heres a question, if i get a fuel pressure gauge, where do i plug it into? My LT1 had a schrader valve on the fuel rail near the regulator that it could thread into. I dont see that on this car...

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Old Jan 16, 2013 | 08:01 PM
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Car: 82 S10, 83 280ZX, 84 Z28
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Axle/Gears: 85:ford9 4.85, 84:stock 3.24
Re: 305 TPI - Starts but won't hold idle

I forgot to mention a stuck open egr valve can cause the engine to stall.
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Old Jan 16, 2013 | 08:03 PM
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Car: 82 S10, 83 280ZX, 84 Z28
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Axle/Gears: 85:ford9 4.85, 84:stock 3.24
Re: 305 TPI - Starts but won't hold idle

Since the bulb is good you can check flash codes by jumping some pins on the obd connector. I don't remember which pins.
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Old Jan 16, 2013 | 08:06 PM
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Re: 305 TPI - Starts but won't hold idle

This car should have a MAP sensor, not a MAF.
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Old Jan 16, 2013 | 08:56 PM
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Car: 1992 Z28 Targa Top. Full air ride
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Axle/Gears: 3.73 gears posi
Re: 305 TPI - Starts but won't hold idle

Ok, i know where the MAP sensor is. Got scared that i didnt have a maf and i should lol

However i hope that the egr valve is not the issue cause that little flying saucer is a bitch to get to....

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Old Jan 16, 2013 | 09:36 PM
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Re: 305 TPI - Starts but won't hold idle

the very first thing to do is check pressure at the tb . and just because you hear the pump kick on doesn't mean its getting fuel .there is a common problem that throws most people because they HEAR THE PUMP . there is a 2 inch rubber line in the tank that conects the fuel pump to the pickup line after 20+ years this line turns into a marshmello and splits sending the pressure back into the tank . this happened to me. I pulled the car in the garage running perfect installed a new rear end ,started the car hit the gas and split the line . I could still start the car bearly but it wouldn't idle and died every time I hit the gas. sound familiar ? I did a fuel pressure ck and found out I had about 2 lbs. but the pump ran. pulled the tank replaced the " marshmellow" and pump while I was in there ran perfect again . this was afret I replaced the egr, tps and ignition switch , kept avoiding the pump because I could hear it so IT HAD TO BE OK ,,,,,NOT. and no to the $10 for the hatch.
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Old Jan 16, 2013 | 09:51 PM
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Re: 305 TPI - Starts but won't hold idle

Disconect the fuel line at the throtle body , a fuelpressure gadge rented at autozone or advanced will have multiple fittings to conect to your line just to be clear you have a throttle body injection ( looks like a carb) or a tune port injection? either way conect the gadge at the line just before it enters the tbi or tpirail ifit reads lower than 5 its the rubber line in the tank . replace the pump ,cunecting line and filter while the tanks out cluan the inside of the tank ,you can get your arm and a rag in there dusch it good fill with 93 octain add good quality injector cleaner , only afterchanging filter .adding injector cleaner with a dirty filter causes more harm than good.
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Old Jan 16, 2013 | 10:11 PM
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Re: 305 TPI - Starts but won't hold idle

Its a tpi. A fuel pressure gauge is next onthe list. I will advise.
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Old Jan 17, 2013 | 09:56 PM
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Re: 305 TPI - Starts but won't hold idle

I pickec up a fuel pressure tester from autozone and a fuel filter while i was at it. put the new filter in and attached the gauge to the shrader valve. key to on and i have pressure at the rails. Showed around 10psi (if thats good or not idk) but its there. Checked all my vacume lines for brakes and loose lines and all seemed good. So just for kicks i decided to try to start her - low and behold she fired and stayed running. Idle is good and feels as strong as ever.

Not sure what was wrong, even less sure what i did to fix it but all seems ok now. I hate to think that the fuel filter is all it was but if it was than cool.

BTW, im not compleatly a newb when it comes to working on cars, i did a head/cam swap and rebuilt the 4l60e in my old 96' z28 back in the day but its been a while and i think im just a little gun shy nowadays. My diagnosing abilites arent whatnthey used to be.
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Old Jan 18, 2013 | 01:50 AM
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Re: 305 TPI - Starts but won't hold idle

Your supposed to have at least 40lb + fuel pressure @ the rail.
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Old Jan 18, 2013 | 10:16 AM
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Re: 305 TPI - Starts but won't hold idle

thats just enough to make it run like you say it does ! sory dude drop the tank . dont cut a hole in the floor. somebody else may want to buy the car from you down the line .
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Old Jan 18, 2013 | 10:26 AM
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Re: 305 TPI - Starts but won't hold idle

Originally Posted by dads old blue 9
thats just enough to make it run like you say it does ! sory dude drop the tank . dont cut a hole in the floor. somebody else may want to buy the car from you down the line .
sory didn't see the part about the car running good , seems strange with only 10 lbs but good for you throw some sea foam in it now that you have a new filter .. never put injector cleaner in a tank with an old filter , It breaks down the deposits in the filter and sends it to the injectors. which is actually doing the oposit of what you're tring to acomplish!
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Old Jan 18, 2013 | 12:31 PM
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Re: 305 TPI - Starts but won't hold idle

You can try to restrict the fuel return and see if pressure goes up. If it does I would suspect the regulator.
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Old Jan 18, 2013 | 02:09 PM
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Engine: 305 5.0 tpi v8
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Re: 305 TPI - Starts but won't hold idle

LOL fat fingers strike again, I meant to type 40.... that darn 1 and 4 are so close together. Good to know 40 is where it's supposed to be though.

I appreciate all your help guys. I really do.
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Old Jan 18, 2013 | 04:34 PM
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Re: 305 TPI - Starts but won't hold idle

LOL !been there donnee tthaat!
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