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Old Feb 7, 2013 | 07:16 PM
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mini starter doesn't fit??????

i bought one of this: http://www.ebay.com/itm/150753991528...84.m1439.l2649
and the mounting plate it's so big it hits the header flanges on the Hooker 2460, doesn't even fit with the TC dust cover anybody had this problem with nini starters?
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Old Feb 7, 2013 | 07:28 PM
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Re: mini starter doesn't fit??????

Originally Posted by camarito
i bought one of this: http://www.ebay.com/itm/150753991528...84.m1439.l2649
and the mounting plate it's so big it hits the header flanges on the Hooker 2460, doesn't even fit with the TC dust cover anybody had this problem with nini starters?
Use a 88-96 corvette gear reduction mini starter.
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Old Feb 8, 2013 | 08:14 AM
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Re: mini starter doesn't fit??????

I have SLP shorties with 3" collectors, I use a Power Master Torque Master 9600, no clearance issues.
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Old Feb 8, 2013 | 04:57 PM
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Re: mini starter doesn't fit??????

i do have a 168 tooth flywheel so i have to mount it further away from the block but still, it doesn't look like it will even reach the flywheel, I'll try to get some pick tomorrow see if someone have some ideas
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Old Feb 8, 2013 | 05:57 PM
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Re: mini starter doesn't fit??????

I've used one like that with the stock 350 TPI and on my new 383 both with edelbrock shorties and long tube Hookers. I would guess it's the 168 plate.



I would imagine since you had to move the starter out for the larger flexplate the outside edge of the block out further than the normal 153 tooth setup. I believe the 153 uses the very outside bolt on the starter so yeah yours would stick out another bolt hole in distance.

They do make some starters that have the outside of the starter plate milled down already.



That way when you mount them they fit like this.



Maybe that could give you the extra space needed?
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Old Feb 9, 2013 | 05:16 PM
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Re: mini starter doesn't fit??????

got it on
i had to cut a notch where it contacted the header flange
it works great but grinds when the engine starts looks like it stays engaged for a second too long
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Old Feb 9, 2013 | 08:24 PM
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Re: mini starter doesn't fit??????

Originally Posted by camarito
got it on
i had to cut a notch where it contacted the header flange
it works great but grinds when the engine starts looks like it stays engaged for a second too long
Sounds like you need to use a paperclip and set the depth. You must not have it shimmed correctly or your bolts are not snug.
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Old Feb 9, 2013 | 10:15 PM
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Re: mini starter doesn't fit??????

It came with 2 shims and I used one, ill try anoyher one to see if it makes a difference
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Old Feb 9, 2013 | 10:38 PM
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Re: mini starter doesn't fit??????

Are you using a remote starter solenoid/Relay? If you are you cant use a jumper wire between the 2 posts on the starter because your starter is a permanent magnet style. I just had the same problem, Mine would start but the starter stayed engaged for about 2 seconds after the engine fired. If you are using a remote solenoid then look at the 9th post down on this thread http://www.chevelles.com/forums/showthread.php?t=299402 I wired mine up like that yesterday and it took care of it, Again I used the 9th post down because the 8th post down didn't work for me.


Mark.

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Old Feb 9, 2013 | 11:16 PM
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Re: mini starter doesn't fit??????

For a 153 tooth flywheel/flexplate, I run a stock 95 LT1 starter. For the 168 tooth, run a stock late-90s 4.3 starter. Theyre both small, and gear reduction, and will turn over an 11:1 big block with ease
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Old Feb 9, 2013 | 11:22 PM
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Re: mini starter doesn't fit??????

Originally Posted by whatever84
Are you using a remote starter solenoid/Relay? If you are you cant use a jumper wire between the 2 posts on the starter because your starter is a permanent magnet style. I just had the same problem, Mine would start but the starter stayed engaged for about 2 seconds after the engine fired. If you are using a remote solenoid then look at the 9th post down on this thread http://www.chevelles.com/forums/showthread.php?t=299402 I wired mine up like that yesterday and it took care of it, Again I used the 9th post down because the 8th post down didn't work for me.


Mark.
No I use the stock setup, the main power for the starter comes streight from the battery
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Old Feb 10, 2013 | 08:53 AM
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Re: mini starter doesn't fit??????

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No I use the stock setup, the main power for the starter comes streight from the battery
OK.

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Old Feb 10, 2013 | 06:35 PM
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Re: mini starter doesn't fit??????

I tried everything still grinds after start to the point of starting to damage the flywheel so i put the old starter in and all is good, I'll do more research but for now the old dinosaur works better
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Old Feb 11, 2013 | 12:50 PM
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Re: mini starter doesn't fit??????

You shouldn't guess at placement of the shims. Usually if it's a replacement unit same style you can get away with installing shims in the same positions. If it's a new starter (different style) need to check the gap between the flexplate/flywheel and the starter gear with it extended. I normally use a paper clip as that's very close to the 1 mm gap setting most companies specify.
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