1986 305 Performance Questions
1986 305 Performance Questions
Hey guys, my friend has an 86 Camaro with a carb'd 305, and he wants to add some power to it.
We were going to go with vortec heads and longtube headers, and we were wondering on a suggestion for a cam?
How much horsepower and torque would it make with that set up? And what would the estimated 1/4 mile time be?
This car is a 5 speed manual. Thanks!
We were going to go with vortec heads and longtube headers, and we were wondering on a suggestion for a cam?
How much horsepower and torque would it make with that set up? And what would the estimated 1/4 mile time be?
This car is a 5 speed manual. Thanks!
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Re: 1986 305 Performance Questions
Hey guys, my friend has an 86 Camaro with a carb'd 305, and he wants to add some power to it.
We were going to go with vortec heads and longtube headers, and we were wondering on a suggestion for a cam?
How much horsepower and torque would it make with that set up? And what would the estimated 1/4 mile time be?
This car is a 5 speed manual. Thanks!
We were going to go with vortec heads and longtube headers, and we were wondering on a suggestion for a cam?
How much horsepower and torque would it make with that set up? And what would the estimated 1/4 mile time be?
This car is a 5 speed manual. Thanks!
What carb?
Probably between 150 and 350hp depending on the cam
Re: 1986 305 Performance Questions
We don't know what size carb yet. We want to get the main stuff down first so we can choose a carb to go with it.
What carb would you recommend?
And also, he may purchase domed pistons if he decides to do a rebuild or not.
What carb would you recommend?
And also, he may purchase domed pistons if he decides to do a rebuild or not.
Re: 1986 305 Performance Questions
My opinion FWIW:
-Use a stock short block. Unless you have a set of "deep dish" slugs you're just fine with it. I've had a few engines and all the ones I can remember had flat tops save a 78 from a G-body.
-Head wise if you're looking for some high compression I'd be really tempted to dig a set of 53cc 305 heads up. They were made in the early 80s and had 53cc chambers. This would push you up around 10.1:1 with a set of flat tops, a .027 head gasket and pistons .025 in the hole You may also be able to mill yours down a bit and get close to 10:1. If you have dished pistons these would be closer to mandatory. I think the casting # is "601." You may be bucks ahead to pull your current heads and shave em a bit though. You get a nice flat surface to work with as a bonus.
-Long tubes are a good idea, and work with a 350 if you step up later. A full exhaust on top of that would be where my initial cash was spent.
-A Performer RPM, a ZZ crate motor intake or similar is inexpensive and will transfer over to a 350 later if you use the same kind of heads. (vortec vs non.) and is another good value.
-The Quadrajet isn't a bad carb, that's probably a CC one. You'll find mixed opinions on them but they are tunable. If you'd rather have a Holley or an AFB I'd stick to 650 or maybe even a bit smaller.
-Virtually ANY cam swap you make on this engine's going to be a winner. 86 was a bad year for these, they all god the peanut cam even the TPIs. Going from the L69 cam to the peanut cam was worth a 25hp hit by it's self. Definitely worth noting. It's likely a bastard child engine in that it's going to be flat tappet but have a 1pc rear main seal. If that's the case I'd probably be looking for something in the 215-220 range@.050.
-Use a stock short block. Unless you have a set of "deep dish" slugs you're just fine with it. I've had a few engines and all the ones I can remember had flat tops save a 78 from a G-body.
-Head wise if you're looking for some high compression I'd be really tempted to dig a set of 53cc 305 heads up. They were made in the early 80s and had 53cc chambers. This would push you up around 10.1:1 with a set of flat tops, a .027 head gasket and pistons .025 in the hole You may also be able to mill yours down a bit and get close to 10:1. If you have dished pistons these would be closer to mandatory. I think the casting # is "601." You may be bucks ahead to pull your current heads and shave em a bit though. You get a nice flat surface to work with as a bonus.
-Long tubes are a good idea, and work with a 350 if you step up later. A full exhaust on top of that would be where my initial cash was spent.
-A Performer RPM, a ZZ crate motor intake or similar is inexpensive and will transfer over to a 350 later if you use the same kind of heads. (vortec vs non.) and is another good value.
-The Quadrajet isn't a bad carb, that's probably a CC one. You'll find mixed opinions on them but they are tunable. If you'd rather have a Holley or an AFB I'd stick to 650 or maybe even a bit smaller.
-Virtually ANY cam swap you make on this engine's going to be a winner. 86 was a bad year for these, they all god the peanut cam even the TPIs. Going from the L69 cam to the peanut cam was worth a 25hp hit by it's self. Definitely worth noting. It's likely a bastard child engine in that it's going to be flat tappet but have a 1pc rear main seal. If that's the case I'd probably be looking for something in the 215-220 range@.050.
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Re: 1986 305 Performance Questions
Unless it's somehow damaged beyond repair, the one that's on it now. Seriously, the CC Q-jet will support more power than you'll ever make with a streetable 305.
Domed pistons + pump gas = a piece of junk for an engine. Stick with flattops. And please don't even think about rebuilding a 305, unless money is no object and you just want to be "different".
My advice is: Don't open up the motor at all. Give it a decent exhaust, a fresh air intake better than the soda straw that's on it, 3.73 gears with posi, have fun with it (money spent on these 3 mods will get you more bang than the same money spent on the engine) , and build a proper engine on the side as funds permit for a later swap.
That's the route I took and I wouldn't do it any other way.
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My advice is: Don't open up the motor at all. Give it a decent exhaust, a fresh air intake better than the soda straw that's on it, 3.73 gears with posi, have fun with it (money spent on these 3 mods will get you more bang than the same money spent on the engine) , and build a proper engine on the side as funds permit for a later swap.
That's the route I took and I wouldn't do it any other way.
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Re: 1986 305 Performance Questions
Vortec heads require a Vortec specific dome piston due to the chamber shape.The 059 casting heads used on the L30/305 Vortec are a really good head to use.You will need a Vortec specific intake.They are 58 cc & should put you around 9.4:1 on a stock bore 305.
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Re: 1986 305 Performance Questions
I swear I've seen 19 of these threads in the past month alone. Not to be "that guy" but this question has been asked a ridiculous amount of times on this forum and across many other forums and usually goes nowhere because people think they're going to re-invent the wheel by adding a cam and a set of headers.
You'll get nothing but severe disappointment and lost money by building a 305 in any way, shape, or form. I'm not saying you should do a 350 swap, but I AM saying - I'd pick anything else but a 305. It's a reliable motor and it gets OK gas mileage. Keep it that way and build something on the side.
You'll get nothing but severe disappointment and lost money by building a 305 in any way, shape, or form. I'm not saying you should do a 350 swap, but I AM saying - I'd pick anything else but a 305. It's a reliable motor and it gets OK gas mileage. Keep it that way and build something on the side.
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