Car misses/loses power over 3500RPm under hard acceleration
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From: St. Cloud, MN
Car: 1984 Trans Am
Engine: LS1383 in work
Transmission: Magnum F - to be installed
Axle/Gears: Zexel Torsen 3.73, 28-spline mosers
Car misses/loses power over 3500RPm under hard acceleration
Hey guys,
84 TA, 355, CC Qjet, 700R4.
The trouble I'm having is if I hammer on it from a stoplight/stop/anywhere and get the RPM's 3500+ quickly, the car starts to stutter and miss, similar to the effect of hitting a rev limiter.
Under steady/normal acceleration, the car will run strong all the way 4500rpm before it starts to do the same.
Downshifting to pass on the freeway has the issues as well at around 4500rpm.
Car runs smooth as can be driving around, starting, stopping, in traffic, until I start getting the RPM's up.
In-tank fuel pump is 5 years old. No issues from it that I can tell, it got me from Salt Lake to LA and Back.
Fuel pressure is a steady 5-5.5 psi, any higher and the gaskets on the carb start to get "wet".
Plugs, Plug Wires, Cap, Coil, rotor are about 2 years old and ignition module are is 15 months old. Factory original distributor.
I'm just looking for thoughts/ideas on where to look. Could it be the Distributor might have finally gave up on me?
Any thoughts/ideas are welcome. Thanks!
84 TA, 355, CC Qjet, 700R4.
The trouble I'm having is if I hammer on it from a stoplight/stop/anywhere and get the RPM's 3500+ quickly, the car starts to stutter and miss, similar to the effect of hitting a rev limiter.
Under steady/normal acceleration, the car will run strong all the way 4500rpm before it starts to do the same.
Downshifting to pass on the freeway has the issues as well at around 4500rpm.
Car runs smooth as can be driving around, starting, stopping, in traffic, until I start getting the RPM's up.
In-tank fuel pump is 5 years old. No issues from it that I can tell, it got me from Salt Lake to LA and Back.
Fuel pressure is a steady 5-5.5 psi, any higher and the gaskets on the carb start to get "wet".
Plugs, Plug Wires, Cap, Coil, rotor are about 2 years old and ignition module are is 15 months old. Factory original distributor.
I'm just looking for thoughts/ideas on where to look. Could it be the Distributor might have finally gave up on me?
Any thoughts/ideas are welcome. Thanks!
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From: St. Cloud, MN
Car: 1984 Trans Am
Engine: LS1383 in work
Transmission: Magnum F - to be installed
Axle/Gears: Zexel Torsen 3.73, 28-spline mosers
Re: Car misses/loses power over 3500RPm under hard acceleration
I should add that it's not throwing any codes and the timing is set to 7* BTDC.
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From: Hurst, Texas
Car: 1983 G20 Chevy
Engine: 305 TPI
Transmission: 4L60
Axle/Gears: 14 bolt with 3.07 gears
Re: Car misses/loses power over 3500RPm under hard acceleration
Still running the paper fuel filter in the inlet fitting? When was the last time it was changed? Diagnosed a Q-Jet fed elcamino recently. Car would idle and cruise fine. Within a couple of seconds off WOT acceleration it would start bucking and surging badly. The filter had fallen apart and the metal end piece was lodged into the fuel inlet of the carb, blocking a large portion of the flow. Replaced the fuel filter and it pulled strong past 5,500 rpm.
Also bought a parts house mechanical store pump recently that literally made it through engine break-in and died halfway down the street.
Also bought a parts house mechanical store pump recently that literally made it through engine break-in and died halfway down the street.
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Re: Car misses/loses power over 3500RPm under hard acceleration
Fuel delivery.
The fuel filter suggestion is spot on. That's where I'd start too.
Change it out and let us know.
The fuel filter suggestion is spot on. That's where I'd start too.
Change it out and let us know.
Re: Car misses/loses power over 3500RPm under hard acceleration
Remember that a stock QJet nose-filter passes fuel from the inside out. If you take it out it will look "clean" because all the dirt is on the inside. Don't go by appearance.
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From: St. Cloud, MN
Car: 1984 Trans Am
Engine: LS1383 in work
Transmission: Magnum F - to be installed
Axle/Gears: Zexel Torsen 3.73, 28-spline mosers
Re: Car misses/loses power over 3500RPm under hard acceleration
I have an inline filter before the mallory regulator. Can I simply remove the qjet nose filter?
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From: St. Cloud, MN
Car: 1984 Trans Am
Engine: LS1383 in work
Transmission: Magnum F - to be installed
Axle/Gears: Zexel Torsen 3.73, 28-spline mosers
Re: Car misses/loses power over 3500RPm under hard acceleration
I pulled the fuel filter completely as I'm running an inline filter in front of my fuel pressure regulator.
This fixed 80% of the stumble I had under hard acceleration.
Now occasionally I still get the stumble from a hard launch at 4500rpm+, but not all the time. Where I run into problem is when the car shifts, it seems to stumble from the moment it tries to shift, through the shift and into the next gear, almost like it is having a hard time recovering (acting like it did before with the inlet filter in place).
Should I bump up the fuel pressure from to 6psi or is there some place else I should look first?
Fuel delivery is from an electric 255lph in-tank pump with mallory regulator set at 5-5.5psi.
This fixed 80% of the stumble I had under hard acceleration.
Now occasionally I still get the stumble from a hard launch at 4500rpm+, but not all the time. Where I run into problem is when the car shifts, it seems to stumble from the moment it tries to shift, through the shift and into the next gear, almost like it is having a hard time recovering (acting like it did before with the inlet filter in place).
Should I bump up the fuel pressure from to 6psi or is there some place else I should look first?
Fuel delivery is from an electric 255lph in-tank pump with mallory regulator set at 5-5.5psi.
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From: Hurst, Texas
Car: 1983 G20 Chevy
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Transmission: 4L60
Axle/Gears: 14 bolt with 3.07 gears
Re: Car misses/loses power over 3500RPm under hard acceleration
I pulled the fuel filter completely as I'm running an inline filter in front of my fuel pressure regulator.
This fixed 80% of the stumble I had under hard acceleration.
Now occasionally I still get the stumble from a hard launch at 4500rpm+, but not all the time. Where I run into problem is when the car shifts, it seems to stumble from the moment it tries to shift, through the shift and into the next gear, almost like it is having a hard time recovering (acting like it did before with the inlet filter in place).
Should I bump up the fuel pressure from to 6psi or is there some place else I should look first?
Fuel delivery is from an electric 255lph in-tank pump with mallory regulator set at 5-5.5psi.
This fixed 80% of the stumble I had under hard acceleration.
Now occasionally I still get the stumble from a hard launch at 4500rpm+, but not all the time. Where I run into problem is when the car shifts, it seems to stumble from the moment it tries to shift, through the shift and into the next gear, almost like it is having a hard time recovering (acting like it did before with the inlet filter in place).
Should I bump up the fuel pressure from to 6psi or is there some place else I should look first?
Fuel delivery is from an electric 255lph in-tank pump with mallory regulator set at 5-5.5psi.
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From: St. Cloud, MN
Car: 1984 Trans Am
Engine: LS1383 in work
Transmission: Magnum F - to be installed
Axle/Gears: Zexel Torsen 3.73, 28-spline mosers
Re: Car misses/loses power over 3500RPm under hard acceleration
Has this carb ever been rebuilt? Reason I ask is some of the rebuilder inlet valves SUCK. They are very tiny. Built a dualjet recently and ended up using the OEM inlet valve seat where the float needle valve sits. The hole drilled in the OEM part was 2x the diameter of the cheap GP Sorensen kit.
I would think he'd have covered that part.
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Car: 1984 Trans Am
Engine: LS1383 in work
Transmission: Magnum F - to be installed
Axle/Gears: Zexel Torsen 3.73, 28-spline mosers
Re: Car misses/loses power over 3500RPm under hard acceleration
Took it up on the freeway last night and on some on and off-ramps. From a dead stop, ran hard to 5000+ when it shifted and didn't stutter at all through the gears on several stops-starts this way.
Afterwords when I was driving home, 40mph on the street, slowed to take a corner, rounded the corner and hammered it down from 20mph, and it stuttered/choked it's way from 2500RPM until I let off the gas at 45 (30mph zone). Backed off, hit a stop light. Hammered it off the stop light and it ran fine again. So now I'm just confused.
Afterwords when I was driving home, 40mph on the street, slowed to take a corner, rounded the corner and hammered it down from 20mph, and it stuttered/choked it's way from 2500RPM until I let off the gas at 45 (30mph zone). Backed off, hit a stop light. Hammered it off the stop light and it ran fine again. So now I'm just confused.
Re: Car misses/loses power over 3500RPm under hard acceleration
You need to get a fuel pressure gague on it. Something you can read from the driver's seat. You'll chase your tail forever until you figure out under what conditions you get proper fuel pressure. Revving quickly through the lower gears (especially coming off a corner where the pump can suck air if the tank is low) is much more stressful on the fuel system than hitting it from a highway roll.
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From: St. Cloud, MN
Car: 1984 Trans Am
Engine: LS1383 in work
Transmission: Magnum F - to be installed
Axle/Gears: Zexel Torsen 3.73, 28-spline mosers
Re: Car misses/loses power over 3500RPm under hard acceleration
You need to get a fuel pressure gague on it. Something you can read from the driver's seat. You'll chase your tail forever until you figure out under what conditions you get proper fuel pressure. Revving quickly through the lower gears (especially coming off a corner where the pump can suck air if the tank is low) is much more stressful on the fuel system than hitting it from a highway roll.
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Car: 86 Firebird
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Re: Car misses/loses power over 3500RPm under hard acceleration
Have you actually checked the fuel pressure with a gauge, and when was the last time you changed the inline filter? You could have too much pressure now, or possibly the inline filter could be clogged.
Re: Car misses/loses power over 3500RPm under hard acceleration
Just buy a remote gague kit and hook it up close to the carb inlet. Snake the copper or plastic tube to the gague, which you (temporarily!) duck tape to the outside of the windshield. It only take a run or two and you'll know if the fuel system isn't keeping up.
I never permanent mount my FP gagues. Just too dangerous if something happens to the line. And the "isolators" that are recommended for interior mounting the gague can get flaky and unreliable over time.
I never permanent mount my FP gagues. Just too dangerous if something happens to the line. And the "isolators" that are recommended for interior mounting the gague can get flaky and unreliable over time.
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Car: 86 IROC
Engine: 5.0 TPI
Transmission: 700-R-4
Axle/Gears: 2.73 open
Re: Car misses/loses power over 3500RPm under hard acceleration
I pulled the fuel filter completely as I'm running an inline filter in front of my fuel pressure regulator.
This fixed 80% of the stumble I had under hard acceleration.
Now occasionally I still get the stumble from a hard launch at 4500rpm+, but not all the time. Where I run into problem is when the car shifts, it seems to stumble from the moment it tries to shift, through the shift and into the next gear, almost like it is having a hard time recovering (acting like it did before with the inlet filter in place).
Should I bump up the fuel pressure from to 6psi or is there some place else I should look first?
Fuel delivery is from an electric 255lph in-tank pump with mallory regulator set at 5-5.5psi.
This fixed 80% of the stumble I had under hard acceleration.
Now occasionally I still get the stumble from a hard launch at 4500rpm+, but not all the time. Where I run into problem is when the car shifts, it seems to stumble from the moment it tries to shift, through the shift and into the next gear, almost like it is having a hard time recovering (acting like it did before with the inlet filter in place).
Should I bump up the fuel pressure from to 6psi or is there some place else I should look first?
Fuel delivery is from an electric 255lph in-tank pump with mallory regulator set at 5-5.5psi.
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From: St. Cloud, MN
Car: 1984 Trans Am
Engine: LS1383 in work
Transmission: Magnum F - to be installed
Axle/Gears: Zexel Torsen 3.73, 28-spline mosers
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Joined: Dec 2005
Posts: 4,795
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From: St. Cloud, MN
Car: 1984 Trans Am
Engine: LS1383 in work
Transmission: Magnum F - to be installed
Axle/Gears: Zexel Torsen 3.73, 28-spline mosers
Re: Car misses/loses power over 3500RPm under hard acceleration
Just buy a remote gague kit and hook it up close to the carb inlet. Snake the copper or plastic tube to the gague, which you (temporarily!) duck tape to the outside of the windshield. It only take a run or two and you'll know if the fuel system isn't keeping up.
I never permanent mount my FP gagues. Just too dangerous if something happens to the line. And the "isolators" that are recommended for interior mounting the gague can get flaky and unreliable over time.
I never permanent mount my FP gagues. Just too dangerous if something happens to the line. And the "isolators" that are recommended for interior mounting the gague can get flaky and unreliable over time.
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