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Old Oct 2, 2017 | 07:27 PM
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Is there any way to minimize this?

I borrowed this picture, hope you don't mind Chuck.
I have to ask - what causes this buildup, and are there ways to minimize it?
It seems that some engines and different types of ignition systems are more prone to it.
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Old Oct 2, 2017 | 07:42 PM
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Re: Is there any way to minimize this?

I would think wire and plug resistance being high could cause more carbon buildup.
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Old Oct 4, 2017 | 05:18 PM
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Re: Is there any way to minimize this?

Hard to say. I've had some that get bad buildup and some that don't.
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Old Oct 4, 2017 | 07:07 PM
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Re: Is there any way to minimize this?

moisture is a factor aswell
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Old Oct 4, 2017 | 07:25 PM
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Re: Is there any way to minimize this?


Originally Posted by Tuned Performance
They did make a rotor for gm small cap remote coil tbi and tpi to help with moisture acdelco D461 gm 10477219 the bottom of the rotor has fins to help move air and moisture out the bottom of the distributor base vent screens.Attachment 364748
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Old Oct 5, 2017 | 01:04 AM
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Re: Is there any way to minimize this?

I will have to try that next time on my truck.
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Old Oct 5, 2017 | 01:23 PM
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Re: Is there any way to minimize this?

Check the screen at the base of the distributor for being plugged too.
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Old Oct 5, 2017 | 05:16 PM
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Re: Is there any way to minimize this?

I would also guess moisture.
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Old Oct 5, 2017 | 07:41 PM
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Re: Is there any way to minimize this?

When you combine High voltage with anodized metal and throw in a dash of humidity, you will get carbon build up. Or, maybe it gets dizzy and throws up inside.
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Old Oct 7, 2017 | 10:29 PM
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Re: Is there any way to minimize this?

Originally Posted by NoEmissions84TA
I borrowed this picture, hope you don't mind Chuck.
I have to ask - what causes this buildup, and are there ways to minimize it?
It seems that some engines and different types of ignition systems are more prone to it.
How much plug gap do you run? How many miles?
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Old Oct 7, 2017 | 11:35 PM
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Re: Is there any way to minimize this?

Indeed - larger plug gap will increase secondary voltage and erode all your points faster. Running the smallest plug gap that will do the job will put the lowest strain on all ignition components. The secondary voltage rises till it jumps the gap at the plug (or the cap/rotor if that gap is greater). That's why the plugs stop firing if the gap get a too large - the coil can't generate enough voltage to do it. Also puts a huge strain on the coil and the wires, etc. Prolonged excessive plug gap will destroy the insulation on wires and burn up coils.

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Old Oct 8, 2017 | 12:40 AM
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Re: Is there any way to minimize this?

How much plug gap do you run? How many miles?

Just generalizing. It just that some vehicles do this more than others.

GD - remember those .060" and greater plug gaps GM used to recommend?
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Old Oct 8, 2017 | 12:53 AM
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Re: Is there any way to minimize this?

From what I understand, the larger gaps were to insure combustion with ultra lean mixtures that were notoriously difficult to ignite..... It's not a "performance" modification.... I have run .035 to .045 in virtually everything I've ever built of any make or model. You are generally always pretty rich when your trying to make power and it's pretty easy to ignite a nice rich mixture so I've never needed to increase a plug gap.

All it has to do is start the combustion. The shortest gap that will do this 100% of the time is the ticket in my experience.

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Old Oct 9, 2017 | 02:43 PM
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Re: Is there any way to minimize this?

Does that finned #10477219 help to carbon buildup?
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Old Oct 9, 2017 | 02:56 PM
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Re: Is there any way to minimize this?

AFAIK it’s to help with moisture
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Old Oct 9, 2017 | 03:09 PM
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Re: Is there any way to minimize this?

Just ordered one.If it vented dist cap inside better than standard one it's worth it.
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Old Oct 9, 2017 | 04:30 PM
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Re: Is there any way to minimize this?

Not so much moisture, but ozone. The ribs are to help with ventilation, but to remove ozone, not moisture.

http://www.technicianstoolbox.com/in...x=4&topicId=23

http://www.farmallcub.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=6568

http://www.wellsve.com/counterpoint_issues04-06.html
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Old Oct 9, 2017 | 07:46 PM
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Re: Is there any way to minimize this?

Maybe some of us should connect a small vacuum line to our distributors???
I would be one to try it.
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Old Jan 24, 2018 | 03:20 PM
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Re: Is there any way to minimize this?

Have you ever examined a distributor for a marine application? The engines are the same. But the cap has a hole in it with a screen in it to allow moisture to escape. So why wouldn't it help get rid of moisture in an automotive environment?
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Old Jan 24, 2018 | 03:20 PM
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Re: Is there any way to minimize this?

add a vacuum leak and you will notice your idle go up.
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Old Jan 24, 2018 | 05:27 PM
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Re: Is there any way to minimize this?

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add a vacuum leak and you will notice your idle go up.
On my Vortec 350 Express van I actually hooked up a small vacuum line to a port I added slightly above the throttle plate in the throttle body. I hooked a vent line to the intake duct. Anytime the engine was above idle it had ported vacuum to the distributor cap to purge out the moisture and ionized air. Went from having to change the cap and rotor practically yearly to lasting almost 4 years before the CNP 24x swap.
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Old Jan 26, 2018 | 12:48 AM
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Re: Is there any way to minimize this?

Originally Posted by Fast355
On my Vortec 350 Express van I actually hooked up a small vacuum line to a port I added slightly above the throttle plate in the throttle body. I hooked a vent line to the intake duct. Anytime the engine was above idle it had ported vacuum to the distributor cap to purge out the moisture and ionized air. Went from having to change the cap and rotor practically yearly to lasting almost 4 years before the CNP 24x swap.
I am going to try this, but I will use a restriction in the vacuum line.
No need for a 20 gallon Shop Vac to be connected to the distributor.
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