Intake/egr differences l98 questions
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Intake/egr differences l98 questions
Hello everyone sorry if there are posts for this but my search’s bring up everything but what I’m trying g to figure out.
ok first off I have an 89 gta and unfortunately i had to replace the block due to the old owners mistakes. I managed to find an l98 from a wrecked corvette and proceeded with the swap and quickly realized the intake and egr differences.
So during swap I reused the top end parts from the original engine and Instantly payed for it. engine smokes a lot and gets worse the hotter it gets I beleave the cast iron heads to be warped. Now to my question.
I have all parts to the corvette block I put in,alloy heads/intake and headers is it posable for me to swap all of this over and keep the car legal as I live in CA and smog sucks I’m sure I can get past the inspection but would it be more trouble than it’s worth rerouting everything is this posable?or just try and save the iron heads?
ok first off I have an 89 gta and unfortunately i had to replace the block due to the old owners mistakes. I managed to find an l98 from a wrecked corvette and proceeded with the swap and quickly realized the intake and egr differences.
So during swap I reused the top end parts from the original engine and Instantly payed for it. engine smokes a lot and gets worse the hotter it gets I beleave the cast iron heads to be warped. Now to my question.
I have all parts to the corvette block I put in,alloy heads/intake and headers is it posable for me to swap all of this over and keep the car legal as I live in CA and smog sucks I’m sure I can get past the inspection but would it be more trouble than it’s worth rerouting everything is this posable?or just try and save the iron heads?
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Re: Intake/egr differences l98 questions
IMO you'd be better off fixing the iron heads.
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The only real difference between the heads, other than aluminum, is the center intake bolt angles, and the way the EGR system is plumbed. On the Vette heads there's no EGR port, so the Vette intake has an inlet port near the back by the distributor that is plumbed into the #8 exhaust port on the header/manifold. You can plumb the Corvette intake into the exhaust on your Firebird and it'll work the same as in the Corvette, and it'd only cause a few issues like you'd have to relocate the divorced ignition coil. Now whether that's acceptable to CA smog? Who knows.
You might talk to your local machine shop and find out approx what they'll charge you to clean, magnaflux, and rebuild your old heads. Just bouncing numbers around in my head, it's probably not much more expensive to go with a pair of aftermarket heads. By the time you finish cutting or replacing valves and seats, milling, new valve guides, and whatever else - you might find yourself close to what a new set would cost. But then I view rebuilding virtually any SBC as a waste of time, since GM will sell you a crate engine for the same money or not much more, than the local machine shop that maybe does your job right, or maybe they lose parts, and throw whatever garbage in there, or otherwise do a **** job of rebuilding your engine...
You might talk to your local machine shop and find out approx what they'll charge you to clean, magnaflux, and rebuild your old heads. Just bouncing numbers around in my head, it's probably not much more expensive to go with a pair of aftermarket heads. By the time you finish cutting or replacing valves and seats, milling, new valve guides, and whatever else - you might find yourself close to what a new set would cost. But then I view rebuilding virtually any SBC as a waste of time, since GM will sell you a crate engine for the same money or not much more, than the local machine shop that maybe does your job right, or maybe they lose parts, and throw whatever garbage in there, or otherwise do a **** job of rebuilding your engine...
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Re: Intake/egr differences l98 questions
So basically better off trying to save the heads or buy a new set. And On the note of selling the other parts sure but the block is trashed. old owner dropped a tear tab into the engine and thought nothing of it. It blocked off oiling port at the back of the head causing the rod to bend slap the crank and take a 1 inch chunk out of the bottom of the cylinder
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The block of that other motor isn't the "valuable" part; the heads are.
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The corvette stuff isnt legal in a third gen in Cali. Yes it will pass the sniffer with it but once the tech sees the egr tube plumbed to the exhaust you will fail.
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Re: Intake/egr differences l98 questions
So someone has done this.? Did you use the original headers(exhaust manifolds)and just tap into them. Or use the headers from a corvette and reroute the piping as the headers I have come out from the center and I’m sure that complicates things.Are there headers to get around this? Any info helps.
i like the idea of putting the aloy heads on anyways no real gains but there a lot lighter and already off the car lol
and on the note of the coil I have the hei distributor shouldn’t be to hard to change that ?
i like the idea of putting the aloy heads on anyways no real gains but there a lot lighter and already off the car lol
and on the note of the coil I have the hei distributor shouldn’t be to hard to change that ?
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Re: Intake/egr differences l98 questions
Incorrect. Had that setup on my GTA for the last fifteen years without it ever being an issue with SMOG techs.
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Point it out at your next test and ask them. Or better yet give a ref a call and ask. Just because a tech doesn't see the hidden tube on the passenger side doesn't mean it is legal. Are you going to be responsible for the OP's smog if he takes your advice that he will pass and then fails visual? I bet not. The fact is it is not LEGAL according to CARB just because a few have not been caught is irrelevant.
So take it at your own risk. These days the techs have been questioning everything. It was a Pain last time for me to get slp headers to pass even when they are legal but with only a sticker under the hood and not a stamped EO number on the header.
So take it at your own risk. These days the techs have been questioning everything. It was a Pain last time for me to get slp headers to pass even when they are legal but with only a sticker under the hood and not a stamped EO number on the header.
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Re: Intake/egr differences l98 questions
Lol can we stay friendly? >.> im a mechanic I understand the risks involved in doing mods and wouldn’t be blaming anyone if I fail an inspection as living in Cali you get used to having to be sneaky with your mods or go threw bar and have things inspected. My question was weather or not it would pass I stated I’m not worried about the inspection(visual).
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Re: Intake/egr differences l98 questions
Good idea. Maybe I should do that! Then if it passes the sniffer maybe I should ask them to run it again just to make sure. Oh, and if I get pulled over I'll be sure to tell the policeman that I don't have a front plate either.
The tube isn't exactly hidden. Its pretty obvious. I've had a couple techs look right at it and acknowledge that it is an EGR passage. They have not ever given me the slightest trepidation about passing the visual because of it. Probably because it is the same setup that is on the Corvettes of that age. As long as it doesn't look out of place, they won't give you any issues. Headers, such as your SLP headers, are not stock nor do they look anything close to stock. Same as the headers on my car. Hence, questions about them. I have had to produce E.O. numbers for some of the parts on my car on different occasions, but not one single time has my runners ever been questioned. Why? Because they are the AS&M runners that look exactly like the stock runners to the average person. If it looks stock, they'll leave it alone.
As far as assuming liability, that is absurd. All of the advice given on these boards is "use at your own risk." We all know that.
As far as assuming liability, that is absurd. All of the advice given on these boards is "use at your own risk." We all know that.
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Ah welcome to the internet! Lol..at least I’m getting some answers... so swapping intake and heads will work and should pass a sniffer (assuming everything’s hooked up correct).. but and this will probably be what makes me stay with the stock setup anyways... can I use the corvette manifolds and have some exhaust work done or are there other options? I do have the smog pump to think about aswell..
Side thought aswell the fuel rail comes out on the passenger on the corvette and drivers side on firebirds can I get away with useing the original rail?..
i guess basicly,can i an I put a corvette l98 engine in my firebird and do minor mods to make it work?(maybe this should be an engine swap thread lol ) As I’ve already converted this block..and it is currently running and smoking every time I hit the pedal I plan on pulling this engine again if I have to but I know the used corvette block didn’t smoke.. so I’m assuming heads if I have to pull them off again why not just put what it had back on it?
Side thought aswell the fuel rail comes out on the passenger on the corvette and drivers side on firebirds can I get away with useing the original rail?..
i guess basicly,can i an I put a corvette l98 engine in my firebird and do minor mods to make it work?(maybe this should be an engine swap thread lol ) As I’ve already converted this block..and it is currently running and smoking every time I hit the pedal I plan on pulling this engine again if I have to but I know the used corvette block didn’t smoke.. so I’m assuming heads if I have to pull them off again why not just put what it had back on it?
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