Setting Valve Lash - lifter bleed / bad lifter?
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Setting Valve Lash - lifter bleed / bad lifter?
Roller cam/lifters, noticing one lifter seems to be bleeding. In other words, after achieving zero lash, if I wait a little bit of time, the lash returns. Is this a bad lifter? Or one on its way out?
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Re: Setting Valve Lash - lifter bleed / bad lifter?
Also, is it mandatory to replace? If not, do I just work from where intitial zero lash is found, tighten 1 turn per manual, and let it be?
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Re: Setting Valve Lash - lifter bleed / bad lifter?
Why not take the lifter apart and clean it out?
If your heads have large enough holes next to where the pushrods go through, you can get the lifter(s) out with this magnet

and pull them out through the distributor hole (tip: pack a paper towel over the oil pump drive shaft after removing the distributor to prevent anything from falling down there). Much easier than removing the intake manifold.
If your heads have large enough holes next to where the pushrods go through, you can get the lifter(s) out with this magnet
and pull them out through the distributor hole (tip: pack a paper towel over the oil pump drive shaft after removing the distributor to prevent anything from falling down there). Much easier than removing the intake manifold.
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Re: Setting Valve Lash - lifter bleed / bad lifter?
I'm not seeing how that would work on a roller cam setup where you have to unbolt the spider to remove the dog bones....
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Re: Setting Valve Lash - lifter bleed / bad lifter?
Crap, you're right. Forgot about that. But it does work with regular tappets. I have done it more than a few times.
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Re: Setting Valve Lash - lifter bleed / bad lifter?
I think the problem is the lifter is bleeding down too fast. I had cleaned the lifters and valve train when I replaced the valve seals. Its possible this one just isn't getting enough oil to it and the engine needs cranked over a few times to get some oil flowing thru it. This is my hope and dream anyway.....
Looking at all the other rocker arms, and after setting lash, they all seem to be screwed down about the same amount. So I am going to screw this one down about the same as the others and let that be my guide. If worst comes to worst, I'll have to open things back up again.
Anyone think this is a bad plan or have other ideas on how to get this worked out. I'm not in a position to crank engine over, but I guess I could connect everything up and try that. Don't have fuel system together, and don't really want to have gas come shooting out, maybe I could disconnect fuel relay. But even then, just too many connectors not connected right now, and dont like the idea of those loose connectors being energized.
whaaaaattttt???? And then I get this email from Hagerty just as soon as I return to my normal work. spooky!
https://www.hagerty.com/articles-vid...esday_April_30
Looking at all the other rocker arms, and after setting lash, they all seem to be screwed down about the same amount. So I am going to screw this one down about the same as the others and let that be my guide. If worst comes to worst, I'll have to open things back up again.
Anyone think this is a bad plan or have other ideas on how to get this worked out. I'm not in a position to crank engine over, but I guess I could connect everything up and try that. Don't have fuel system together, and don't really want to have gas come shooting out, maybe I could disconnect fuel relay. But even then, just too many connectors not connected right now, and dont like the idea of those loose connectors being energized.
whaaaaattttt???? And then I get this email from Hagerty just as soon as I return to my normal work. spooky!
https://www.hagerty.com/articles-vid...esday_April_30
Last edited by LiquidBlue; Apr 30, 2019 at 09:27 AM.
Re: Setting Valve Lash - lifter bleed / bad lifter?
You'll find that certain lifters, when placed in the proper order for adjusting the lifter pre-load, will bleed down more than others. I've been through this many times.
Without any oil pressure (that is to say without running the engine first), this will be exacerbated. Adjust it as usual and leave it.
As for this:
Hagerty, Google, Thirdgen...they're all watching you.
Without any oil pressure (that is to say without running the engine first), this will be exacerbated. Adjust it as usual and leave it.
As for this:
whaaaaattttt???? And then I get this email from Hagerty just as soon as I return to my normal work. spooky!
https://www.hagerty.com/articles-vid...esday_April_30
https://www.hagerty.com/articles-vid...esday_April_30
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Re: Setting Valve Lash - lifter bleed / bad lifter?
Anyone think this is a bad plan or have other ideas on how to get this worked out.
Marvel Mystery Oil works great for lifters that are gummed up or might have a small piece of crap in them.
Marvel Mystery Oil works great for lifters that are gummed up or might have a small piece of crap in them.
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Re: Setting Valve Lash - lifter bleed / bad lifter?
You'll find that certain lifters, when placed in the proper order for adjusting the lifter pre-load, will bleed down more than others. I've been through this many times.
Without any oil pressure (that is to say without running the engine first), this will be exacerbated. Adjust it as usual and leave it.
As for this:
Hagerty, Google, Thirdgen...they're all watching you.
Without any oil pressure (that is to say without running the engine first), this will be exacerbated. Adjust it as usual and leave it.
As for this:
Hagerty, Google, Thirdgen...they're all watching you.
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Re: Setting Valve Lash - lifter bleed / bad lifter?
Re: Setting Valve Lash - lifter bleed / bad lifter?
If it really bothers you, there's always the engine running adjustment method. Messy, yes. But you'll have greater certainty with your results. That is to say, if the suspect lifter is quiet on the initial adjustment but becomes.noisy, then you know you're on to something.
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Re: Setting Valve Lash - lifter bleed / bad lifter?
I would.
If it really bothers you, there's always the engine running adjustment method. Messy, yes. But you'll have greater certainty with your results. That is to say, if the suspect lifter is quiet on the initial adjustment but becomes.noisy, then you know you're on to something.
If it really bothers you, there's always the engine running adjustment method. Messy, yes. But you'll have greater certainty with your results. That is to say, if the suspect lifter is quiet on the initial adjustment but becomes.noisy, then you know you're on to something.
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