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Old Apr 23, 2021 | 04:41 PM
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Odometer quit working car running badly... stalling

My odometer quit working check engine light came on and the car won't run unless I keep the gas pedal at 1500 rpm's. The odometer started working briefly and everything returned to normal but quit again and same symptoms. 5 speed transmission. I"m thinking the VSS went bad.
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Old Apr 23, 2021 | 05:03 PM
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Re: Odometer quit working car running badly... stalling

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My odometer quit working check engine light came on and the car won't run unless I keep the gas pedal at 1500 rpm's. The odometer started working briefly and everything returned to normal but quit again and same symptoms. 5 speed transmission. I"m thinking the VSS went bad.
The one thing I can absolutely say with certainty is ; Your VSS malfunctioning will not affect the running of the engine in the way you describe.

You have something evil going on with your electrics/electronics for sure, but whatever it is, it ain't the VSS.
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Old Apr 27, 2021 | 08:18 PM
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My odometer quit working check engine light came on and the car won't run unless I keep the gas pedal at 1500 rpm's. The odometer started working briefly and everything returned to normal but quit again and same symptoms. 5 speed transmission. I"m thinking the VSS went bad.
The next day I read the trouble code. It was code 51 which is "airbag deployed' . then I checked the connections on the VSS and they were good. While doing so I left the battery disconnected for about 45 minutes. The car started and ran just fine. I took it out to visit a transmission shop and hit some rough pavement on I-95 instantly got a check engine and the speedo stopped working and it felt like the engine timing was off. Looks like I might have a bad ground somewhere so tomorrow I will check all the sensor locations and see if I can find anything. I am worried that perhaps the air bag clock spring in the steering column might be bad. Any thoughts? Anybody ever have one of the SIR sensors or clock spring go bad?
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Old Apr 27, 2021 | 08:45 PM
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Re: Odometer quit working car running badly... stalling

Code 51 is a bad prom memcal. But can be the ecm not reading the prom and in limp home mode.
the Vss would be a 24 and cause stalling on deceleration or rapid stopping.
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Old Apr 27, 2021 | 08:52 PM
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Well that makes sense considering the way the car was running? Would it be responsible for the spedo/odo not working also?
The memcal is the removable chip from the computer?
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Old Apr 27, 2021 | 09:08 PM
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Re: Odometer quit working car running badly... stalling

Not sure what your working with but if 90-92 1227730 tpi or 3.1l if the ecm messes up it is a Vss buffer and could cause no output to the speedometer. The best guess would be a bad ecm or ecm ground over a prom loosing data. All f body ecms for thirdgen are removable and will transfer to a new ecm same service number or rebuilt superseded.
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Old Apr 27, 2021 | 09:33 PM
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It's a 5.7 tpi. so you're saying there is a bad ground within the ecm and the whole ecm including prom/memcal needs to be replaced?
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Old Apr 27, 2021 | 09:40 PM
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I would check the grounds behind the passenger side cylinder head. If that’s ok and you still have code 51 I’d start with ecm replacement.
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Old Apr 27, 2021 | 09:43 PM
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Thanks. I have a '91 Formula 5.7 so after I check the grounds and restart the '90 Formula if the same condition exists I'll swap out my 91 ecm to see if things change. really appreciate the help, really.
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Old Apr 27, 2021 | 09:48 PM
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The memcal chip should probably say aujp on it . These very rarely fail but if it has a piggyback adapter like Hypertech I e see those go bad or cause connection issues.
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Old Apr 29, 2021 | 04:37 AM
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Re: Odometer quit working car running badly... stalling

I pulled the ECM yesterday and everything was as you described. I took the ECM out of my '91 Formula and put the memcal into my ' 90 and took it for a ride. About 3 miles into the trip the symptoms returned. ( I'm guessing that when the ECM reached a certain temperature it malfunctioned). Back to my garage and installed the complete ECM and memcal from my '91 into my '90. It took about a minute for the symptoms to disappear and after 20 or so miles it runs fine. Looks like I need a new ECM.
Again, thanks for your help.
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