Well today was a big meet at Hooters. About 40 mustangs showed up, a beautiful 65 Vette vert, a 97 SS, a silver 69 Camaro with a cowl hood and a rough cam, and a yellow road runner. Well I was going back to the meeting place cause I had left to go look at a 10 inch sub for my car that is on sell but the place had already closed. So I give this guy in his mid 20s a rev as I passed him in his GTA cause it looked like it had really been taken care of. So we pull out on the road that goes past the meet and he starts spinning his tires while he is turning. So he got caught at the light and I am behind him and all of the mustangs across the street started reving at him and he power braked it at the light. So the light turns green and I fly up next to him and get next to him and we both got caught at the light. He rolled down his window and said "At the next light we will run." and I asked "Whats wrong with this one?" and he gave me the ok and reved at me. So I just launched from idle when it turned green and it was pretty much all over from there on. At the top of 3rd gear I was 3 car lengths ahead. Oh well it was a nice GTA.

 

What's wrong with a GTA being 3 cars behind? If it was a 305 that's not saying much for your car. If it was a 350 that's still not saying much for your car. No flaming intended here i'm just saying that if your 12 second cobra only had 3 cars on his at best low 14 second car assuming it was stock or near stock then the GTA did pretty good.

 

I agree, though if it were less than a 1/4, which most likely was it would make more sense.

Yeah, there was a big car show today that I found out about too late, I spent all day waiting for a ride so I could fix my brakes, there were some bad @ss cars there. Mach 1, Fastbacks, Chevelles, Camaros, old Hot rods, Chargers. Man I wanted to take pics so bad.

 

Keep in mind that I launched from idle and he power braked it. And I'm sure it was a 350 cause he seemed pretty sure of himself.

 

that doesnt mean anything , there are people out there with 16 second lo3/lg4 cars that are "pretty sure" of themselves .

plus im not buying the fact that you launched from idle . why the hell would you have a race , adrenaline pumping , and not even try to get a good launch , especially if you were so "sure" it was an l98 gta ?

sorry just doesnt add up to me

 

I have a 305 and I am always sure of myself......it's called intimidation .........even though I do loose as does every racer...I still get the other driver nervous ...just my .02

 

Were you the guy that said you drove by some guy and your exhaust cracked his hatch?

 

DON"T START!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

If that was directed to me which im sure it was. It was just a question, it was not meant to start trouble believe it or not.


Sorry

 

lmao

i was gonna ask that same question

 

Have you ever launched with a Cobra's IRS? Didn't think so.

 

If we all had a substandard POS, worthless (for drag-racing anyway) IRS rear we'd be hesitant to launch hard too. Wheel hop is very distracting, lol. Hear they improved it greatly for '03.

 

is huffy making a bike called the cobra now with one of those cool independent rear suspensions?and you shouldnt be riding in the road on a bike.you could get hit or something.the road is fro cars,not bikes.

 

no wheel hop with my IRS setup when i launch, the only thing that sucks is my stock radials with 350+ ftlbs of torque!

 

Well I hope a 99 Cobra with 4.10 could beat a stock GTA with a 305 or a 350 because the car is slow compared too todays high performance cars. 03 cobra is going to be nice , but I can still take it.

 

Latest I heard on the 2003 Cobra is one pulled a 12.05@117mph with pulleys and a free mod. Not bad I would say Dad is going to give me a beating when he gets his in June

 

Yup. That is fast for just pulleys and free mods . See what technolgy can do for you. No dought in my mind that car is going to put some hurten on some folks that just don't know. Peace out dud.

 

i could be wrong, but arent they still testing pre-production models? i didnt think the 03' Cobra could be purchased yet. if so, those test results arent really valid. they did a bunch of testing on the 84' Vette before it was released and said it could turn 1.01 Gs, but the production car only did .95 or so. pre-producton cars are usually faster than the real thing. but again, i could be wrong

 

Nope, 2003 is out and solid. You could start buying them in March I think. My dad has already got the build sheet and VIN number. I don't know if they are being let out this month or next. But SVT told him that he will have his by mid to late June at the latest. I heard that alot of Z06 drivers are getting nervous. Oh well there wont be that many 03's out on the road anyways so I doubt any of them have to worry about much.

 

What's the power rating on those new '03 Cobras? Oh, and are they still super-charged 4.6's, or did they change that?

 

I don't really know...I have heard 406rwhp straight from SVT which I'm sure is true and someone on a message board said they heard 425rwhp. I dunno about all that now. But I guess it is possible. Who knows at this point. There are too many "I heard this" going around.

 

And yes, Root style SCed 4.6L DOHC with a cast iron block. It also has Bilstein shocks and struts, 2000 Cobra R aluminum drive shaft and the Cobra R IRS. The reason there is no wheel hop is because of the shocks and struts and the springs which I dont remember what they were. The reason the 2003 Cobra is so well is because this is the first year that Ford is letting SVT do the engineering on the Cobras. I wish they had done the engineering on my Cobra.

 

haha "I heard...." no seriously, I thought I read like 390hp/390tq in like motortrend or something, and that it was conservative (the opposite of that whole problem in the mid-90's Cobras). Damn, if they can get anything near that kind of performance out for a decent price we're all screwed.

 

Yes anything under $50k dollars cant touch it. Its about damn time Ford got its **** in one sock! Took them long enough. I think its great, everyone said that you cant compare a Cobra to a Vette. SVT said that thats what they plan on doing since the Camaro and Firebird are no longer around. LOL watch, I can see it now. 2005 Z28 turbocharged 5.8L V8 with forged internals. :hail: Who knows where its going from here on...Lets just hope we dont have emissions screw us over like in the mid 70's.

 

5.8?

 

whats wrong with that?

 

I think that when GM brings the camaro back, they should put in the big-block Vortec from the Silverado HD. 340HP and 455 lb.ft. of torque. Sounds good to me!!

 

I heard a rumor that a couple of 2002 SS's are going to get the LS6 as a secret option (kind of like a 1LE thirdgen, but a hell of a lot faster) before they shut the factory down, anyone else heard this?

 

If your talking about a camaro ss it aint gonna happen....at least gm aint gonna do it. I'm sure a aftermarket company may build one but gm isn't going to. Thats been a rumor since before the 2002's even came out and if they haven't done it yet they aint gonna do it, rest assured I saw some car show on the sat dish and they had a aftermarket ls6 camaro and said it ran in the 12's@111mph and it was way too close to a vette's speed and that's probably why gm wont build one. I'd love to have one if they did though

 

I also have seen on "Motor Trend" that 03 Cobra has only 390hp and 390ft tq, and that's NOT at the wheels. Now on too bigger issues , the Z06 owners are not worried about the cobra . The question is why ? Z06 owners have nothing to fear . See the thing about it Ford didn't even come up with the idea Roush did. But anyway straight from the dealership floor the Z06 and the 02 SS could kick the 03 Cobra a$$ with any mods hands down. I'm not going to get on the "you got a super charger, nos, or a turbo " band wagon. Because you race what you bought with you and I firmly believe in that, but for the 03 Cobra to make 425rwhp it has to make over 500hp at the crank and don't see ford making a car producing over 500hp on a budget. And also you can go ahead and pay 50,000 for this car while I stick with my good old 88 IROC modded like crazy, but I can still afford to take my family out to eat anytime I want and kick a$$ at the sametime.

 

stock for stock the Z06 is going to beat a 03' Cobra. people are assuming mid 12s at best for the Cobra, and low 12s - 12 flat for the Z06. you cant compare modified cars because whoever has the most money wins. stock vs stock is the only way to go. oh, and i browse the Corvette forum quite often, and theyre not worried

 

Z06 and scared just don't go together.
The LS6 Camaro was given the ZL1 nickname which hasn't been used sinse the '69 aluminum block 427 Camaros. It was a toy dreamed up by John Moss, and they made probably a couple but I know 1 for sure. Chevy Hi-Po magazine or Hot Rod or somebody tested it and they said it was loud as a motherf***er and kicked ***!!! But they're not selling them to the general public. Like Dano said, they're too close to the Vettes and it would hurt the Vette's sales.
Does anybody think its funny that Mustang is gonna hop up their 2003 model now, after the Camaro is done. Because if they had done it sooner Chev would've upped the Camaros numbers and there would've been noway for a Rustang to compete.

 

Initial dyno tests of these test cars has been 360-370 rwhp. Which is definitely strong, and they're probably underrated at 390 crank hp... The 400ish rwhp claims are speculation on how it will do with a few key mods. Which are probably realistic but bone stock won't see that.

But as someone was saying the Z06 doesn't have anything to worry about. It's just too light. I hear the Cobra is actually gaining a bit of weight... The stock Cobra should be able to dispatch stock/near stock LS1 cars with realitve ease though. Should take a few mods for the LS1s to catch up to the mid 12s bone stock the 03 ought to be capable of (Evan smith ran a 12.43 bone dead stock, 12.0x with pulley and free mods)

At least Ford is doing something for it's fans. Pumping out this S/C Cobra, a new Mach 1 (300ish hp), etc. What is GM doing? Why pissing straight in our damn faces that's what, the Vette is the only decent car they'll make shortly...

 

Here is that Chevy "LS1 was built by G0D" attitude. Why shouldn't a Z06 be scared? Lets see, a car that weighs about 700 pounds more than it, cost 10k cheaper, AND is built by Ford can beat it with a few free mods. I give the Z06 all the credit in the world and it is one sweet *** car but its not untouchable.

 

*sigh*

 

Well? They are mostly right. I'm not aware of Evan Smith testing a Z06 yet, but I would be willing to bet he'd have no trouble matching or beating his best time in the slightly modded Cobra of 12.0x with a bone stock Z06. Several "mere mortals" have come close to doing it, and *** knows Evan Smith can probably beat them being the unholy wargod of 1/4 tests, lol.

 

a Z06 shouldnt be scared because stock for stock, its going to beat a 03' Cobra hands down. if Evan smith went mid 12s in a Cobra, its safe to assume high 12s for anyone else (he just kicks as* at the dragstrip). he did drag a Z06 (an 01' model, the 02s are 20hp or so faster) and i believe went low 12s. so unless people are hitting mid 12s or better in stock (thats right, no pulleys, exhaust upgrades etc) Cobras, Z06 owners have nothing to worry about. and just for the sake of arguement, you say the LS1 was built by G0D (im really sick of this statement, its been done to death), but the Z06 has the LS6 motor, not the LS1

 

I agree the 2003 wont be a low 12 sec car for most people. And the LS6 is a LS1 with a different cam and heads. Still a LS1.

 

I never said that the LS1 was built by ***, it's a damn cool engine with some neat features, but I love my origianal iron small blocks!
You say the Corvette isn't untouchable, and I agree, but it's not like there aren't mods out for it that'll keep it kickin' even heavily modded Mustangs' asses.

 

I don't know if this is true or not but this topic is discussed a lot at camaroz28.com and they said car and driver could only pull a 12.9 from the 2003 cobra. I don't remember the trap speed and everyone knows how much car and driver sucks. So I am expecting like a mid 12 at best. Which certainly isn't a z06 killer. But pretty damn close! Go FORD!

 

HERE IT IS:

The Z06 is faster than the Cobra, AND looks so much better!!!


The cobra's are for FORD GUYS who WANT a Z06, but can't because they still wanna hang out with their FORD FRIENDS. LOL

 

Hell ya!

 

There are a handful of 2002 F-bodys that don't have to worry about the Cobra:


Intimidator SS
Berger SS
Tom Henry SS
Blackbird
35th anniversary performance SS
ZL1 SS

All have 400hp and 410tq.
And can be bought from a few choice Chevy and pontiac dealerships.

 

mmmmm.......LS6

 

I doubt it. since the best time for a stocker is supposedly 12.90's, all the free mods in the world aint gonna make that much more power.

L8R

 

And atleast 1 thirdgen!!!!!!!!

 

So when did you graduate from dumb a$$ university? I forgot, see when I bought my car I didn't know that it wasn't a regular midlife crisis car. If I had known that I would have gotten a Vette!

 

That was car and driver's numbers.....WOW, that must be some hard *** solid numbers then.

 

OK I will play this game. lets Assume the ET is wrong cause it C&D, BUT the MPH was only 105, WHICH is indicative of a high 12's pass but you said that with the free mods and pulleys 117MPH, NOW lets be realistic, 12MPH from free mods and pulleys?? Not only NO but HELL NO!!

 

Do you even know what pulleys do?