89camaroRSV6

yeah thats wat i thought too...trasam = atleast v8

super83Z

Well another huge flame war brought on by Monkies when will they ban this guy? I am with the guys that said he doesn't even own the cobra.

Nic

/me pulls out **** and puts it on the table

yep...mine's bigger than yours

JAY87GTA

They switched from the aluminum block to an iron one because of head gasket issues. During the r&d on the motor they tried going higher on the boost and kept popping stuff. They could only get like 5 psi on the aluminum block. That is why the big deal on tampering with the pulleys. It will be a bad joker, that's for sure. I don't think it'll run circles around a vette like Ford is claiming, but it should hold it's own.

CobraKiller

I don't think it comes down to that when we're dealing with monkie. It more or less comes down to the fact that most of us don't appreciate BS. And he does plenty of it. Like cracking his friend's hatch glass on his RS with the exhaust from his cobra.

Mark A Shields

Hi.

Nic

For anyone who may be interested in doing their own research as opposed to listening to the banterings of a couple kids regurgitating what they've read, you can go here:

http://www.corral.net/forums/showthr...threadid=95058

http://www.ls1.com/forums/showthread...5&pagenumber=1

http://www.ls1.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=92977

http://www.corral.net/forums/showthr...threadid=92990

There's a few sources, make what you want of it. I refuse to speculate on the validity of those sources.

When the news about the '03 Cobra was first broken a few months ago, I guessed they'd run somewhere in the 12.60 range and I still think that will be pretty acurate for a decent driver. I guess we'll see what they're really capable of when the FFW and NMRA boys get ahold of them.

AGRESSIVE RACER

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Nic
[B]For anyone who may be interested in doing their own research as opposed to listening to the banterings of a couple kids regurgitating what they've read. [B] [QUOTE]

Well aren't you just saying what you read. Until someone here drives or see's one then everything we say about them is just what WE READ or heard. So what you you are saying is that don't beleive anything you read here. We were just talking about how a 03 Cobra can't touch a 03 Z06 stock for stock. Everyone on the other boards are saying the same things we are like what they are capable with mods. But to make it even put a SC on the Z06, cause a SC is the only way a stock Ford can catch a stock Chevy.

Nic

CobraKiller

I think Nic is trying to say instead of listening to the "he said" "she said" crap we should go and read it all for ourselves. And Ford doesn't need a S/C to keep up with a stock chevy. In the fox body era the LX 5.0 5 speed cars owned L98's on a regular basis. Sure they were similarly matched but being lighter the mustang almost always had the advantage.

Nic

...and come to your own conclusions on the validity of the "eye witnesses" and rumors.

AGRESSIVE RACER

All I am saying is that the other boards are saying the same "he said" "she said" crap also. There is not an official Ford board listed. Plus I don't think the LX 5.0 5-speeds were beating stock Chevy Corvetes that year.

Nic

and while we're all thumping our chests and boasting about cars that we don't even own...

point me to a GM production vehicle that will outrun the GT40

AGRESSIVE RACER

Isn't that the car that was built with assistance from British racecar builder Lola and isn't even in production. Ford used help from a British Racecar builder to make it and who knows if it will come out. It is considered an Exotic car and will cost around $100,000 IF it comes out.

Check the link:

www.motortrend.com/jan02/gt40/1.html

CobraKiller

Umm when were mustangs and corvette's going heads up in competition? And the stock 5.0 5 speed LX would give the vette of the same year a dam good run considering the vette was a low 14 second ride out of the box and so was the LX. And the weight advantage probably going to the LX also. And also the Gt-40 isn't exactly something new they've been around in the past and not one production car from GM or chrysler will touch it right about now. And the GT-40 will be put into production and it's direct compeition the viper and the z06 will not be able to touch it stock for stock.

fattie92

we are talkin bout the SVT cobra right?? am i mistaken with the car we are talking about?? cause in my mind, a stock COBRA, is just called a COBRA....and if it says SVT in front of it, its obvioussly modded. so therefor its a stock Z06 vs a modded cobra. the zo6's 405 N/A hp is damn impressive to me. and the aspirated 390hp cobra gets a thumbs down from me. im not saying its not a kewl car or anything, but i just think they can push more HP then 390! i mean come on, the 01' ss had what....345 N/A ? Ford is getting better, but in MHO,, they are still weak!

CobraKiller

any cobra is an SVT cobra. Just like an SVT focus or SVT lightning or SVT contour. SVT=special vehicle teams which designs all the little extras for these cars. Just like the SS is a product of SLP and the firehawk also.

AGRESSIVE RACER

Never, but I said a stock CHEVY, and isn't a Corvette a stock CHEVY? And the GT-40 is in a whole different price range for the basic chevy models. For around that price (100,000+) is when you start comparing the Lingenfelter Corvette to it. And just so you know the Lingenfelter is the FASTEST Street Car in the World runing low 9's and still streetable. On the Speed Channel, they Raced the Fastest Street Car in the World vs a Jet, and that was the Lingenfelter Corvette vs Blue Angels Jet. The Corvette actually had it off the line and for about 1 sec. but the jet went through the 1/4 at 450 mph.:hail:

The GT-40 has the same numbers as a Viper, but the GT-40 is another ugly *** Ford car. Who would take that over a Viper if they perform the same? Just look at it:

AGRESSIVE RACER

See a Cobra is basically a Special Vehicle, but no special company makes the Z06.

fattie92

exactly my point Agressive!

SMKNGTA

I just got the new issue of Car & Driver and they ran 12.9@111 with the 03 Cobra, 0-60 was 4.5sec and 0-100 in 10.4. In the Feb02 issue of Motor Trend the 405hp 02 ZO6 ran 12.4@114.9, 0-60 in 4sec and 0-100 in 9.4sec. So the ZO6 is .5sec faster to 60 and through the 1/4mi and 1 full sec faster to 100mph. The Cobra only pulled .90g's on the skid pad and the ZO6 pulled .99g's on the skid pad. The cobra weighs 3738lbs and the ZO6 weighs 3118, thats a difference of 620lbs. The Cobra also only got 13mpg during the C&D test wich is much worse than the Vette. So, the Cobra doesn't even compare to the Vette that ford dealers claim the new Cobra will run circles around. BTW I also have an old issue of GMHP that has a test of the hard top 97' Vette w/ the 345hp LS1 and a 6speed, they ran 12.7. I don't know why Ford can't put the 5.4L in the Mustang so we can compare N/A to N/A, I know it fits because they put it in the Cobra R. There is a guy on an LS1 forum that has an ATI procharger on his Trans Am w/ stock internals, stock heads and stock cam, his car does 10.9 with (I think) 8lbs of boost, I have seen a video of him running 11.4 on 17" street tires. So, once again Ford doesn't stand a chance when you compare apples to apples.

firebird305

Hey monkie,I'm not trying to start trouble or anything,but i go to the turbobuick.com board alot to read the kill stories they have posted over there,and i remember seeing some of your replies posted,and in your sig you said you were going to build up a turbo-charged v-6 for your camaro. Are you still trying to do that or did you just go with the mustang insted?

mousemaker

1969 Chevrolet Corvette with the all aluminum 427

Nic

Some of you kids have your head so far up your *** with this brand loyalty thing that you wouldn't know what a cool car was if it ran your dumb *** over. Ford is not, has not, and will not make a direct comparison between the '03 Cobra and the Z06...the only people doing that are the dumbasses so hell bent on brand loyalty that they've got to point out where GM is making a better car and have nothing to point to anywhere near the price range of the Cobra. Of course the Z06 is going to be faster, it costs $20,000 more. Ford is making its comparisons to the regular Corvette, which only costs $9,000 more than the '03 Cobra. Will it perform better? The advertised numbers say it should, but only time will tell.

Boo hoo! You don't like this game when its turned around on you, do you? You can buy an '03 Cobra and an SVT Focus for the price of a Z06, but that doesn't deter you from thumping your chest over a GM sports car that costs $20,000 more than an '03 Cobra.

AGRESSIVE RACER

See, but your dumbass is missing some key points:
1. An SVT is a special vehicle
2. A Z06 is not a special vehicle

So why would anyone compare a Special Vehicle to a stock LS1 Vette. It doesn't make sense. All the SVT's are compared to the Z06 or a Camaro SS or Firehawk, and the SS and Firehawk are special cars, so it still shows that a regular Chevy production vehicle can beat Ford Special Vehicle.

Here's how it goes:

Camaro Z28 or Trans Am vs Mustang GT

LS1 Vette vs Mustang GT

Camaro SS or Firehawk vs Cobra

Z06 vs Cobra

I know what a cool car is dumbass, a GM car:rockon:
Loyalty is always #1!!! Thats why everyone in my family owns a GM car or truck!!!

But seriously, I've seen alot of cool looking Mustangs, but if someone gave me a FREE 03 Cobra I would sell it and buy a Lingenfelter SS.

Inwo

Oh, and don't forget how disgustingly ugly the Mustang is, the fact that it's supercharged and the vette is n/a, and the way the mustang has a rep as a "chick car." I'd like to see the guy that bought the Z06 that costs $55k so I can smack him in the mouth for being a moron. They're a maximum of $49-50k after all the taxes and dealer markup. Still more than your precious little cobra but still not $20k more. The Mustang is not a cool car, the thirdgen camaro is, that's why we all, oh most of us on the board except you apparantly after viewing your sig, own them. Face it, the 03 Cobra will be just another Mustank and will NEVER have the allure of a stock Corvette.

CobraKiller

loyalty is one thing. Ignorance and closed minded-ness is another. I hate to tell you but if GM was sooo great where the hell is the 2003 camaro and trans am? They've got plenty of 5mpg SUV's but not one mid-priced muscle car that can compete with the mustang. And everyone says the mustang is this and the mustang is that..it's all in your opinion. Most of it can't be backed up. Do I love my thirdgen? Of course I do. Do I love my fox body lincoln? Hell yes. And do I love my $200 SHO? Yep. Do I have the "GM or nothing" brand loyalty. G O D no...that would be plain out stupid of me to deprive myself of enjoying all the great cars produced by many car companies not just one. Although GM did make the greatest muscle car of the 80's,also my favorite car the Grand National. They have yet to match that with something astronomical as a family car that can whoop the vette of it's era by buslengths and is all about muscle. Well i guess it's time for the "mustang lover" and "cobra driver" chants.

Monkie

I'm not sure yet what I'm going to do with the 92 V6. I would like to put a 3.8L turbo with a T56 tranny in it but ALL the Buick guys say that that would be a huge mistake. And I refuse to drive an automatic so I guess the turbo Buick idea is out of the window. So now what my dad and I plan on doing is installing a LT1 with a T56 in it. That is if he decides that we are going to keep it.

Mark A Shields

Isn't the Z06 an LS6, just wanted to make sure.

CobraKiller

yes it sure is.

super83Z

Alright everyone relax here are some facts


Z06 = $50,000 low 12's high 11's w/ good driver.

02 F-body = $20-$30,000 low 13's

03 Cobra = $35,000 anywhere from low 13's to mid 12's and everything in between. Seem there are too many road tests out right now. And there are too many different times.

And as far as brand loyalty goes. I love all muscle cars. Camaros, T/A's, Stangs, GTO's, Chevelles. etc etc etc.

But I only like 1 enough to drive it.

But as far as comparing the cobra to the Z06. In some cases I can understand the comparison in others not.

You are comparing Fords top of the line car to Chevys top of the line car. But one is a muscle car and the other is a sports car. The vette belongs more with the Viper than the Mustang. Its alright that GM let teh Camaro and T/A slide this year. It has happened before. The almighty Corvette wasn't made in 83 remember? Then there was the whole Mustang II that we won't even mention. Or when the Z28 was taken away for 75 and 76. The cars will be back, for this year Ford gets a default it has no competition in the muscle car market. I don't think that Chevy will sit idlely by and give that to Ford though. So all the guys who are trading in there Fbods to get 03 Cobras. I'll see ya in 2004

Also wasn't the Z06 going up to 450hp for 03?

mss

you guys are beating a dead horse , the ford vs chevy argument will go on and on and on . so im stopping the train here