A buddy of mine is getting one of those new supercharged cobra's. I havn't really heard to much about them except for him bragging about how fast it is going to be. Any way He is telling me when he gets it he will use my SS to wipe the floor with. What (If any) need to be done to my SS to keep up with or beat the new Cobra when it comes out. Thanks guys!

 

i havent seen track times but i know that thry got like 390 hp but are heavy, they have an iron block instead of aluminum. I heard they are faster than a ss though, so mods are neccesary

 

You could probably run close with some tires and bolt-ons, but if he starts modding it will be hard for you to keep up without a supercharger, or Heads, cam, intake!

 

get a S/c for ur SS

 

the new ford is a absolutle monster, its stated at 390 HP but actually dynoed 370 at the rear wheels so the engine actually has more like 425 HP, just put a pully on the blower to boost it up, put on a good exhaust and thats easy a 11 second car

 

I just have to say those are some DAMN NICE rides you got there dude.

 

Automobile Mag just did a test one one and I believe got a 13.3 1/4 mile time with a 6 speed(no auto is avail.) Quick YES but by no means super fast. I think a LS1 SS could take it. Ford can only make Torque with S/C's noting on just the motor.


Brian

 

Just use the GTA. That should put him in his place real quick.
Ford=Found on road dead after all
Laterr Barrett

 

If it only runs 13.3, then your SS times will take it obviously. Someone said that if the pulley for the Stang is changed the warranty is voided??

 

The new corba's run 12.6's at 110 according to the July issue of MM&FF's a magazine I trust a lot more than Automobile. That was with a 2.00 60 ft, with just slicks the thing would probably run 11's.

nick

 

Automoboile mag has the worst times! Don't trust them!

 

We'll know for sure how they run once they start hitting the streets, but with the hp/weight ratio, I think a 12.6 @ around 110 - 112 is a pretty reasonable estimate. Maybe high 12's to low 13's for an average driver.

 

I know of some guys who will be getting them in a week or two, and they will hopefully take them to the track and dyno soon! I don't read automobile, but look and see what they ran in an SS and if it is in the high 13s, see how much you trust them!

 

Car and driver ran a 12.9. I heard that if you switch a lightning pulley with the cobras and get gears, you will run LOW 12's. But from what I've read, your warranty becomes instantly voided if you do the swap. Nice cobras though!

 

So far, Evan Smith has wrung a 12.46 out of a stock '03 Cobra and a 12.0 out of one with Lightning take-off pulleys and a removed airbox. There's no telling if this car is a ringer or not. I'd wait another month or so when we start seeing them hit the tracks after the 1000 mile break-in point to make my final decision.

 

It will be easy to beat him with your SS if you buy a few bolt-ons. If your SS is an auto I would get a good stall convt, 3.73 gears, and a set of drag radials. There are people that have gained .7 in the 1/4 with just a stall convt on their LS1's. If your car is a 6 speed I would get 4.10's and drag radials. SLP sells headers that add an advertised 40rwhp. There are a lot of cams out there that work great with the stock LS1 heads. Go over to www.LS1.com and go to the Forum, there are guys over there running 12.1 with simple bolt-ons and 360-370rwhp. Those new Cobras a really heavy and they already have 8 or 9psi. Ford tried running more boost but they kept blowing head gaskets, so if you change the pulley it voids your warrenty. If you really want to blow him away get an ATI procharger with 8 or 9psi, that will put you over 500rwhp and put you in the 10's with a stock engine, people have done it over at www.LS1.com. Good luck

 

Fair is fair, If he can have a blower you can have N20!

 

I Agree!

 

Speed and power come in many shapes, sizes and combinations, therefore creating nearly infinite possibilities. As far as being "fair" in racing their really is no such thing since many losers will "B****" about the "superior" difference between the winners car or engine compared to theirs. An example of this would be hrdrocka4305's qoute...

 

Exactly. Run what ya brung, and if itisn't enough accept it. Don't go making excuses or start playing "what if" games. The new cobra will be a beast and will give many LS1 f-body drivers a run for the money. I think most of those contests will come down to driver skill and traction. That being said, I would love to have some seat time in one of the new cobras on an autocross or road course.

 

I agree. That's gotta be one beastly GTA. Show him what 15+ year old technology does to that poor Cobra.

 

if you guys don't believe that the new cobra isn't a mid 12 second car you're in for a rude awakening. There is a guy that is running his at Englishtown that's been pulling 12.4-12.6's all day long, not sure if this is the same person Nic is talking about.

 

I'm pretty happy for this cobra. My friend has a 2002 ws6 and he hasn't lost a race yet. He has the biggest head like a bunch of other ls1 owners. I hope he gets beat as well as the other big headed stock ls1 owners!

 

I agree that it should be fair, but don't you think fair would be stock against stock, blower or not. If the car came stock with a blower and another one did not, then you are stuck with it. Cause if thats the case, let the Cobra put in an aluminum block and let him do a stroker to get the same cubic inches!

 

Run him from a 120 mph roll, 03' Cobra is electronically limited to 155 ! All that HP with a chaperon. :sillylol:

 

Don't get me wrong, I'm all about that. I'm just saying if theres any question remaining about who'll come out on top, you could run a shot and that would remove most all doubt. My response to all the guys who ever say "man I woulda beat you but I don't have my turbo yet" is "well, you don't have it tonight do you? So as of this very moment, I win. Period"

 

Are you sre about that? A governor at 155 seems kind of pointless since you're already well over the speed limit. If you're at a track where you can obtain those speeds there's be no reason you'd want a top speed limiter. Just seems like a really odd and pointless thing to me.

 

Yes, the governor is set at 155. They could have added the additional body cladding to make it stable at 170+ like the Cobra R but their reasoning for not doing so was that it's a street car.

 

I think it was the big wing the Cobra R's had that gave enough downforce to have no limiter.

The 03 Cobra, not having such a thing, will take flight!

 

It was a combination between the wing and the splitter in the front.

 

Thanks everyone who relied. I will post later about the mods I make to the SS and the race.

 

hey money got any pictures of any of your cars.....

 

The 2003 isn't a SVT you want to take lightly. It runs alittle over 400rwhp. The reason they posted it as 390hp is because of the 1999 issue they had. I don't know where that guy above got 370rwhp . But they run in the mid 12's with street trim and low 12's with slicks (I'm sure you could get out 11's). But for an average driver I would expect between 12.7-13.0. Something like that. I think the only bowtie that will stop it stock is the Z06. Hey if you aren't respectful to the new Cobras give the 11 sec new S281 Saleen a run.

 

Makes sense now. Just seemed like a really odd speed to set the governor at.


Does that mean that people who remove the limiter will need to obtain pilot's licenses?

 

NO- Just a big life insurance policy!

And a DNR order (do not resesitate) after crashing at over 155mph- If I survived I'd probably wish I'd died

 

booooost. Boost is the answer to all of life's problems.. unless you have the $$ to make the 350 run to (and make power) around 7 or 8000 RPM

 

Speed limiters are used to keep the drive shaft from snapping off. At certain speeds the drive shaft goes into sinusoidal oscillations and blows out U joints. That's why power stroke fords are limited to 110 else it'd fly.

 

Actually, they did start with aluminum blocks in testing....and they just weren't durable enough....something about rods a-flying out the sides or something....and let's not forget, this thing is 1.1 Liters smaller then the 5.7....as for the speed limiter thing, that'll probably be taken care of by the aftermarket, I'm sure diablo is already working on a program to take care of it....

 

Rods flew out because main webs were failing even w/ the deepskirt design and the crank girdle. It needs to get a lot fatter on the bottom to get the endurance you need. Even then aluminum only lasts so long before it dies.