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Old Jul 28, 2002 | 02:51 PM
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Trickflow 306 vs Vortec 350.... sorta

my buddy has a seriously done up stang, trick flow 306, forged internals, 530 lift cam, long tube headers, pretty much every single suspension mod known to man also.
We met when we raced a while back, I blew him outa the hole twice but the road was too short to get any speed.
we both added some stuff to our cars and we met up on mainstreet. I got beside him and we tryed it again, twice. unfortunatly the first one was short, we only got up to about 80km. I got him 2 cars outa the hole, I was spinnin like a **** too, i hate to think what his tires were goin through.

we line up again, he gets a better launch, but so do I, again I pull 1-1/2 cars on him, go into 2nd and keep pulling, I hear him shift into 2nd, he stays in it for a few seconds and then lets off! wtf. I slow down and here he blew his header gasket. (sounded like a rod knock, i woulda let off too)
but now he's sayin that he lots tons of power because of that.
not sure If I believe that, but maybe. when i blew my header gasket on my old headers I didn't feel any power gain after i got it fixed... i dunno.

At least I can tease him that I beat him 4 times in a row
hope to get a decent run at the track one of these weekends.

If my car can hang with a trickflow 306, I will be a happy camper!!!
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Old Jul 28, 2002 | 05:31 PM
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If your car is in high 13 second territory, then he either has something wrong with his car or he can't drive for ****.
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Old Jul 28, 2002 | 06:14 PM
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I agree...a friend of mine also had a Trickflow - equipped 306 Mustang with about the same goodies on it. He was running high 12's with it before he sold it.
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Old Jul 28, 2002 | 07:22 PM
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He sucks at driving. My friend has a 1993 GT with a Cobra intake, and GT-40P heads. He has exhaust and other bolt ons, and he runs 12.2 - 12.5 !!! This guy should be 11s easily. At well over 110 mph. And if your time is a G-tech cut off about 3-5 mph. So I would say he should have killed you. No offense but either he can't drive or the car is seriousely detuned!!!
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Old Jul 28, 2002 | 07:27 PM
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we are at high elevation up here, his last run at the track was a 14.1 in real bad weather.

LT1's run mid to high 14's up here.

He should be able to pull on me on the top end, but i definatly rip him outa the hole.

I've ridden in it, and drove it abit. doesn't feel like a 12 sec car, but i think he has some tuning to do.

once it's running good he will beat me, I just hope I can hang with him fairly decently
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Old Jul 28, 2002 | 07:32 PM
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11's? hardly. even at sealevel guys with the trickflow twisted wedges heads are getting mid 12's @108
Thats what I've been reading on stangnet anyway.

in his defense it wasn't a long enough race for him to get a chance to really get going. but HE was the one to let off.

we will be running them again many more times I'm sure
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Old Jul 28, 2002 | 09:06 PM
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Even with a mismatched converter, and not enough gear, my car still runs high 12's @ 109 on a bad tune. This combination (TW heads, Track Heat intake, TFS Stage 1 cam .499/.510 221/225) should be good for low to mid 12's with a 5 speed and a decent driver or a properly setup C4. My track is 149 feet above sea level btw.

With a 306 and longtubes, he should be putting 320+ hp to the rear wheels and running about a second and a half to two seconds faster than the stock LT1's.

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Old Jul 28, 2002 | 10:45 PM
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Maybe it is the guys at my track running really good.

Dennis has the 1993 GT:
Cobra intake, GT-40P heads, roller rockers, tbody, mass air meter, pulleys, exhaust, and suspension.

At one of our events, not the latest but close, he went.

12.378 @ 109.48 @ 3300+ lbs.

He launches off the rev limiter, and powershifts as fast as he can, but that is one fast car, with the weakest heads and intake, except the factory ones!

Another guy has a pretty stock 1986 LX coupe with an 1987 driveline. He has exhaust, suspension, and minor bolt-ons, but stock heads cam and intake, and no over bore.

At that same event he went.

12.912 @ 103.17 @ 3000+ lbs.

I don't see how a Trick Flow equipped car, in good or bad tune, could run in the 14s.

Oh ya stock LT1s go mid to high 14s here also!!! LS1s go mid to high 13s!!!
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Old Jul 29, 2002 | 02:05 AM
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I apologize guys, I didn't realize this story would be so damaging to your egos or rather your 'mustang pride'?

I know I shoulda got my *** kicked, but I definatly didn't fluke out either. I got him 4x in a row on two seperate nights.

for referance:
one guy with a 87 LX hatch, ported E7 heads, cam, headers, and weight reduction ran a 14.3 with a T5
everyone considered that impressive.

that same stang now has twisted wedge heads, explorer intake, suspension gears and upgraded fuel system it runs low 13's.
that stang is pretty much a dedicated drag car with ET streets on the back, pizza cutters up front, all that.

then there are guys on this board with vortec 350's in the LOW 13's with less work than me.
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Old Aug 1, 2002 | 05:18 PM
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Originally posted by 5.0mustang

I don't see how a Trick Flow equipped car, in good or bad tune, could run in the 14s.
It can happen. Check my post about my pos running slower on the tpi board to get my times. Ran a 91 notch on one of the three runs, it came in on a trailer and lined up next to me on my second run. I was ready to get my A$$ kicked, well I smoked his A$$ out of the hole and had about 4-5 cars the whole run..........until the last 200-250 feet. He made up ground so fast I thought that I had been sprayed. He beat me by about 3/4 of a car length. I go to his pit when the race was over, he had a full Trick Flow set up, heads, cam, and intake. He ran a 14.2x to my 14.3x. So yes it can happen. Track here is about 350ftabove sea level.

Paul
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Old Aug 1, 2002 | 06:01 PM
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When I still had the AOD in my car, it ran 14.0's in bad air with me letting the trans shift by itself, but would run 13.20's - 13.30's if I shifted it manually. That was with the TW heads, Track Heat intake, and stage 1 cam.
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Old Aug 1, 2002 | 08:06 PM
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I was told (off subject) that if I let the tranny shift itself it would go faster!!! I still have yet to let it shift itself!

Oh ya on a real side note, my tranny and conversion stuff is on it's way!!!!!! I am so excited!
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Old Aug 1, 2002 | 08:18 PM
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The problem with mine was it was shifting WAY too early...especially the 2-3 shift.
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Old Aug 1, 2002 | 10:00 PM
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Mine does that also, thats why I know it will be slower, no need to waste a run!!!
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Old Aug 1, 2002 | 11:54 PM
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Originally posted by 5.0mustang
I was told (off subject) that if I let the tranny shift itself it would go faster!!! I still have yet to let it shift itself!

Oh ya on a real side note, my tranny and conversion stuff is on it's way!!!!!! I am so excited!
I gained 0.2 in the 1/4 mile by NOT letting the tranny shift itself and by doing it myself. My 2-3 shift occurs sometime around 4500RPM. What the hell is that Ford!!


How much did you pay for your conversion stuff? I got all mine over 2 years ago for about $100 for everything plus new bolts and misc hardware minus a new clutch and transmission. Me and a bud found a wreched Mustang sitting in a yard with a Tremec 3550 sittin in it. We arer trying to snag it for cheap. If we do, there's my tranny!
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Old Aug 2, 2002 | 01:13 AM
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LOL, the last time I let the trans shift itself, it ran a mid 15 :P

it wants to shift at 4500 in first and then 4000 in 2nd
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Old Aug 2, 2002 | 12:41 PM
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Mine shifts from 1-2 REALLY high, almost 5800-6000 rpm! Then it will shift to 3rd at around 4200-4500!

I spent $950 for everything. It comes with a T-5 with 77,000 on it, a newer clutch with 21,000 on it, and everything to bolt it up. I was going to shop it out, and buy new parts and go to the few Mustang junk yards here, but I really wanted it and had the cash, so I bought it!!!
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Old Aug 2, 2002 | 01:16 PM
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wow, u mustang guys got urself your own board....ive only seen that candaian guy post like 4 times here....surprised this isnt closed down....
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Old Aug 2, 2002 | 02:33 PM
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Seems the Canadian guy, and all the Mustang guys have more posts than you!!!

No offense, I didn't want this to become a Mustang post, so if anyone wants to post about Mustangs, PM the person you want to tell or ask!!! Unless it is thirdgen related also!
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Old Aug 3, 2002 | 12:33 AM
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11s are really good times for an N/a mustang. most normal head cam intake combos run low/ mid 12s-13s. Most 11sec combos are 306s w/ afr 185s custom cams, high rpm intakes and TRACTION.
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Old Aug 3, 2002 | 09:37 AM
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Most 11sec combos are 306s w/ afr 185s custom cams, high rpm intakes and TRACTION.
Building an 11 second, all motor 302 is easy to do with off the shelf parts, but you're right...it takes TRACTION.
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