I have an 88 bird with a GM perfromance 3.4L V6 with t5 tranny, how would I fair against a stock F-body with a 305TPI of the same year, and just out of curiosity how would I do against an 80's Mustang 5.0?

 

I'd say you're toast. If his TPI has a 5 speed too then you are for sure a gonner. Don't mess with and 5.0 mustang (everyone of them runs a 14.3 off the showroom floor, right?). No seriously any 5.0 mustang is gonna hurt you, bad. The only way you have a chance is an automatic convertible. Some of the early 5.0s with carbs were smogged out and powerless, you could stand a chance with them.

Don't turn this into a flame war.

 

actually I was talking about an automatic with the 305TPI(220hp)...because most V8's have an automatic...my 3.4 has about 190-200hp, but because I've got a manual could I make up the difference?

 

What kind of 3.4 do you got because stock they have 160 hp. What do you have done to it to make 40hp?

 

Not to mention that the 305's have close to 300ft-lbs torque. Even if it is an auto, you're pretty much toast...unless it's a convertible and is missing on 2 cylinders. You would probably even lose to a 305 TBI stock, but that would be a slightly better race for you.

 

what are the mods done to the 3.4...

is that just a 3.4 block/...or a complete 34. with the intake manifolds from the 3.4???

 

well first of all I guestimated on the hp, I could be wrong...
It is a GMPerformance 3.4, I know that it says it has 160 horses, but that number was from the engine carbed, I have the MPFI off of the 2.8 on my 3.4, I do have some small performance mods like a K&N Air Filter, aluminum driveshaft, dynomax exhaust, etc. I do
apologize if my estimation was off, maybe I'm just being foolishly
optomistic, but I can honestly say that I did beat a 92 Camaro 305 TBI auto before...

 

That doesn't sound too far-fetched given your mods. You're a little lighter than the 305 TBI, which gives you a slight advantage (especially if you're skinny and he's fat like me!). I would guess that you're pushing 175-180 horses, possibly more, but not much. Headers would probably help you creep closer to the magical 200hp mark for V-6's, but even then, I would think you'd be a little short. If I were you, I would concentrate on suspension/handling mods for now until you get some real cash for a cam swap and a little head/intake work...that way you can save some work and do it all the same time. After that, you should hit 200hp+...no problem.

 

hey thanks! It is good to here some encouragment! I have done some suspension upgrades...KYB Shocks/Struts, Polyurethane tranny mount, etc. I have BFG radial T/A tires, other mods include new ignition system (distributor,bosch platinum plugs, wires,HEI module, etc.), new clutch,etc....I want a posi axle, and headers would be nice too, but I'm still in high school and of course because of that I have very little money, any ideas what other cheap mods I can do for a little more get-up-and-go?

 

hey ..thats some mods..man..nice

teh 3.4 came with a better cam than teh 3.1/2.8
the crane 2030 is the same specs as what comes stock in those cars..
u can beat a stock 305 TBI ....i beleive that...

where didya get the alum driveshfat from?

yeah ur next thing on the list should be a posi

 

You're goin to be raped.

 

I think you'll lose to a 305 TPI considerably. My friend also has a 3.4 V6 with some mods and I have no problem beating him. If you ever do race you would have the best chance from a roll cuz you will get creamed off the line with the major torque disadvantage.
BTW: Good luck with modding your V6 as not many people go that route.

 

Good mods...sounds like you're going the right route with the suspension. If I were you, I'd get some coated headers...save up for those first...you want air to move out before you force it in...if you get my drift, heehee. There are other suspension parts that you could do...lca's, subframe connectors, upgrade sway bar. If I had it to do over again, though, I would've upgraded to a posi rearend first. That'll be the best way to get your power to the ground. Don't forget about brakes either. If you hunt around, you can find a posi rear with disc brakes off a 4th gen camaro. Keep your head up, there is plenty you can do to your "little" V-6. Personally, I would save up for headers first, then keep modding your suspension. And then when you're done, mod it some more. Not only will it put the power to the ground much easier, you will have a car that handles better than 95% of the cars on the road. Good luck to you. My car is a V-8...I've never owned a 6, but I am the biggest fan of you V-6 guys. Keep it up.

 

P.S. Don't get over-confident! Your car will one day compete with the 305 TPI very well, but be patient and spend the money and time it takes. take it to the track. Get used to running it.

 

yo 88 if u let camaro boi drive ur car u know u could probably get it in the 9s you know he can get a pos topaz in the 14s or something like that and he could get his 3.4 or what ever camaro in the 15s so u know let him drive it and he will get you "mad" times

 

[QUOTE]Originally posted by 89camaroRSV6
[B]hey ..thats some mods..man..nice
where didya get the alum driveshfat from?


I got the aluminum driveshaft from the junkyard it was off of a 91 Trans Am GTA, it was in good shape, of course I got new U-joints for it, it was a great bargain too (flawless dashpad, crossmember,driveshaft for $100) I plan on going back there to see what else I can salvage from the GTA...how much would those headers cost me and who makes them? What is the parts #? Also could you answer the same questions about a posi axle?

 

BTW.... here are the specs for the GMPerformance3.4 block, if anyone cares...

1996 49 STATE (excluding California) EMISSION LEGAL 3.4-LITER
V6 ENGINE PACKAGE SPECIFICATIONS

Part Number:12363230
Horsepower:160 HP @ 5000 RPM
Torque: 194 ft/lbs @ 2700 RPM
Displacement:3.4-liter (207 cubic inches)
Bore/Stroke: 3.62" x 3.31"
Engine Block: Cast iron
Pistons: P/N 14097653 Aluminum
Comp. Ratio:9.0:1
Camshaft:P/N 12363220 Hydraulic Flat Tappet
Cylinder Heads:P/N 14054884 Cast Iron
Valve Lift: .427" I / .454" E
Duration at .050" lift:204° I / 216° E
Valve Diameter: 1.72" I / 1.42" E
Valve Lash:Zero
Valve Springs: P/N 12363215
Rocker Arms: P/N 14002446
Fuel:89 Octane Unleaded Regular

My camshaft: V6/60° - Camshaft - Performance flat tappet hydraulic camshaft used in the new 3.4-liter engine conversion package (P/N 12363230) and is also applicable to 2.8-liter and 3.1-liter engines. duration: at .050" lift (intake/exhaust) is 204/216, while the valve lift is 427"/.454". The basic RPM range is 1500-4500, and the lobe seperation is 107.

 

That's a good cam. Much more duration than that and you'd probably have to do some major tuning to get it to idle very well. You could always "cheat" and put on some 1.6 rockers...but your money would be better spent on headers, like I said above.

 

SLP Posi Units were going for $95. Check slponline.com. Headers: hmmm... The only 3.4 headers I could find were Pace Setters for 93-95 camaros in Summit. I'm not sure if these will work...you may want to ask the V6 board. The P/N is PSM-70-1208 for the non-coated ones, and they sell for 202 dollars, the coated ones (summit P/n) is PSM-72C1208 and they are almost 400 bucks, but I would go ahead and get the coated headers. See if they will work first, though. Good luck!

 

hmmm.....yeah that's a good idea...I should post a question about the headers on the v6 board... $400 is alot of money though to be spending for an extra 15-20hp, I like hp,but I'm not that hard-core, and I'm certainly not rolling in the dough, if you know what I mean...but thanks for looking into that for me... I think I might get posi if it is $95, that I can afford, especially for the results I can get from that.....

yeah...my car does idle pretty strange...the timing is right where it should be, but the idle fluxuates between 800-1300RPM, probably the cam at work...

 

I believe my car could take you- 88 305 TBI/auto-
too bad we can't race

 

yep i have a similar cam...and have the same problem
burn a custom prom and u can fix that easily

and to the person who suggested 1.6 rockers
for 1.6 rockers ull need fiero valve covers (the stock camaro valve covers will only support 1.52 at most..)

maybe i should go to junkyards in IDAHO..lol
cant find anything here....

 

i would love to race ya...not to flame ya or anything
unless u run better than a 15.9 ...im gonna win.
(do u own an 88 305TBI or a 87 IROC ??)

if the IROC;s an TPI i dont stand a chance...i know

BTW i ran that time before i put the 19lb injectors in
so i must be running better than that...(im guessing here)

but on the street anything can happen ...
my mods are below....

what are ur mods and what do u run...

 

Hmmm....didn't look at your mods before...hehe
Is your car auto or std? Is that 1/4 mile your quoting actaully from a 1/4 mile track ot is that
G-tech?

I've run my car to an altitude corrected 16.0-16.2
but never at sea-level- so I got that usring an NHRA correction table.

My current car is the TBI 88 IROC (my old car I had 8 years ago was the 305 TPI/5spd- i miss it

I also used to own a 86 V6 auto- it was a dog- but seeing youhave lots of mods- maybe you can take me- I just hope I could edge ya out!

Oh- I'm totally stock

 

yeah my mods are below...

i ran that 15.9 at a track...

GTECH is pretty close i got a 15.7~...but the mph didnt make any sense
if i remember right it said 15.7~@94~ or something ...(i donno if im the only one having some problems with GTECH ...)

ohh by the way im not even close to stock...

i have done some work in PROM burning as well
mainly i trying to play with the ECM... i should
become slightly faster if i get things right...

(i broke another transmission mount ...lol time to
go polyurethane...)