First of all, dont get the impression that I dont want you here cause thats not the case. I am just curious as to how you guys that drive, rx7's/civics/eclipses etc. came interested in this board. Used to own one? Just like thirdgens?
Just Curious.
-Mark

once you've owned a thirdgen...you're a changed person forever

don't get me wrong, for a daily driver, my civic is great (better if it had about 100ft/lb more torque and hp) it is reasonably quick for the gas mileage, and the fact its a 4 banger

i've just always liked the styling and driving comfort ('cept for those t-top rattles) of thirdgens.

my next third gen has to be a t/a, formula or gta, haven't had a bird yet, all camaros so far

well i dont know if im considered an "Import Guy",but ill pretend for the moment that i am .ive owned my 3rd gen since may 2001,and i just recently bought my Talon in october.I actually got hit with the import bug this past summer.I HATE ricers,but i do think that there are some cool imports.Mainly DSM's and the upper level imports such as supras,RX-7's,and especially the Skylines:hail: R34 .I think that the real ones demand respect,because face it,they are for real and they are quick.and in the DSM case,they are CHEAP to make QUICK.And there are some cool people out in the import world.The majority of these people own a repectable car,and ARENT ricers.What sets these people apart from the ricers are a few things.One of them being the obvious.They HATE **** themselves.Mainly because it gives them a bad image.An image that they really dont want and resent.Go check out www.dsmtalk.com or www.dsmtuners.com.You'll see that they look down on ricers as much as us domestic guys do.And even funnier,they also RESENT Fast and Furious because of the same reasons they hate ricers.I personally think its an alright movie,mainly because it did represent to an extent the import world.The world that DOES care about REAL performance.
Another reason import guys are cool is because they respect those of us that DO have a fast car that can give them a challenge.Of course,respect has to be earned,so disrespect them and they will show the same to you.I think that we should all start giving credit where credit is due.I know alot of us are cool to import guys and know the difference between them and ricers,but alot of us dont.I can kinda relate it to when race segregation was around.There was the people on both sides that knew better than to look at skin color,and there was those that didnt.Same thing applies to us in the car world.Only we havent created the violence that situation created.
Ok well im done with this message.Sorry if it seems kinda long,but its just the way i feel.As an import owner,i kinda fear what will come this summer when im driving around in my Talon and i encounter some punk *** in a domestic and race.I know win or lose,i will be looked down upon by them because of their ignorance.But then ill bust out the "Maro and everything will be cool.I just hope that it wont be as bad as i fear it will be.Only time will tell.G O D i CANT WAIT TILL SUMMER!!!!

I'm guessing some just like to research the competition a little.

the Art of war says "know thy enemy"
another "keep your friends close, your enemys closer"
biker

there was a link in a thread started in www.eclipseforums.org by SPOOM because you guys were saying that the 3gGT's ran 17's stock so i came in here and then.. i stayed here :sillylol: I also had a 89 Z28 but that was long ago

yeah i remember that argument about 3g's running 17's .that was pretty pathetic that people actually may have seen it happen due to a bad driver,but then thought for some stupid reason that actually ran 17's!!i mean c'mon something with 200+ hp,5 speed,and just over 3000 pounds running 17's?gimme a break.i think alot of that kinda stuipd arguing is over now.thank g od

marking my spot so I can come back later to post when I have more time




there my job is done

I'll be b ack later

marking my spot so I can come back later to post when I have more time




there my job is done

I'll be b ack later

I drive my 3000GT and love driving it. But as an N/A it's just not very quick and never will be quick without dropping way too much money in.

maroon91rs has about the same handle on imports as I do. I respect the ones that are actually serious and I expect that respect back when I'm talking about my 'bird.

The people that **** me off are the true ricers. The ones who spend more on aerodynamics and graphics than they do on the engine,... and the aero that they do is basically worthless for how they use their car.

If you have a sticker on your car that adds 10rwhp to a FWD car, you need to stay the hell away from me!



Anyway,... I'm on the board cuz I got this 12 second 'bird project... but I'm still an import guy on the street for now...

www.viperkiller.cjb.net

yknow...looking at that RX-7 and his graphic of the rotary engine...

The main drawback on a rotary engine is the low compression, isn't it?
Well, doesn't forced induction kind of cancel that out? What keeps the RX-7 from ruling the street? Rotary is soo much more efficient than our piston pounding V8s...
(Almost sounds sexual) :sillylol:

89 z28 - rare car
i hope you mean an iroc - z

Used to own one.

I used to own one about a little over a year ago.. Now my best friend owns a formula 350, so I have to keep up to date here..

compression on my car is 9.4:1
in 89 they upped it to 9.7:1

on the turbo it was 8.5 for 87-88 and in 89 they upped it to 9.0:1

not 100% on the years before they

but cranking psi isn't the greatest but the porst also opens ATDC.... think of it not as the top of the block but the point that has the lowest area

as far as rotarys ruling the streets a lot of them have a bad name due to ppl not taking care of the car or having someone just not know what htey are talking about do something that breaks the motor then claim it was all in the motor as to why it went on.... sux not having ppl know about stuff so they always blame it one the motor

also the cars wheere not made for drag racing as a lot of domestics are made for but more for turns.....so there straight line isn't the greatest. there are known cases though of daily drivers running low 10's and I think even high 9's... you know drive to the track run a 10.2 drive 100 miles back home and call it a day

as far as why I am here I enjoy all cars.... doesn't matter import or domestic I just like to witness cars.... what gets to me is the **** boy who doesn't know a thing of what he is talking about whipping up on a ls1 with nothing more then a 87 honda civic and a muffler.

but it started with my friend (greenmachine92rs) who owns a 92 rs v6 and was curious as to how we could make his car a little faster without having to put a v8 in there. so he showed me the place and I'm still here.

owned a 71 camaro as my first car and I still to this day love he hunk of junk. but it needed a lot of help to keep it on the road so I sold it... still love f-body cars though and I ***** it up here now on a daily basis


just hink I avg 4 post a day from when I first came here to today.... didn't start whoring the thread till about 9 months ago...... if even that long...and I only post online maybe once or twice a week

do the math and just hink of how many post I would have if I had 24/7 access

I got my 240sx for a steal and I couldn't pass it up for a daily driver! Being a rearwheel drive is a major plus. They have their webpages as well. They really can't stand **** for the most part and dog on people for ricing their cars. Oddly enough.... I've seen more riced out F-body's than anyone on my other board.

What's the weight comparison between a rotary and a ... what would you call it? pistony?...

lets just say a Chevy Small Block compared to a rotary... whats the weights differance?

Yea!!!!!! How heavy is your Wankel???? :sillylol:

Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't the rotary engine originally made for airplanes? I know it's used in airplanes which would make a lot more sense since they're high winding SOB's.

a full rotary motor with all fluids,exhuast manifold, turbo and all is about 300-350 lbs

about 20 lbs less without the turbo

That's about what a bare block with crank weighs!!!!!!

oh and the wankel was designed for auto use first I think but then was adapted to plane use

What year is your RX-7 man?

The RX-7s I see flying around just don't look like sports cars. I mistakened one of the 'a la Fast and the Furious' ones on the freeway a few nights ago for a Viper though! lol
What years are those really curvy RX-7s? And what kind've times do they run stock?

mine is an 87 sport mostly stock except for a header that has 2 inch pipes comming off the block into a 2 1/2 inch collector
replaced the 3 cats with a 2 1/2 inch downpipe

then I have a K&N air filter on there.

soon I am thinking of putting a ported plenum on there.... sinec I already did it but at the moment I am saving up to convert it to a TII spec rx7

should be pushing about 190hp and maybe low 14's stock but that is unmodded at all except for a downpipe



the 93-95 rx7 (like on that sh<x>itty movie fast and the furious) should run 13.5-13.8 in the 1/4 and around 4.7-5.5 (depending on driver) 0-60 times


but if you get the R1 package you are handling even if not better then the brand new z06... and this ws in 93

.99-1.02 (heard different stats there) on the skidpad
67.2mph on the slolam and 60-0 braking at about 118 feet
the car was made for road racing

AWESOME... I'm almost ready to sell my 3000GT for one of those now! lmao

whats with the LMAO?

lmao ... laughing my *** off...

I dno... I love that 3000GT. It's almost obsurd to consider letting her go for any reason at'all

I know what it means but why laughing?


so I get a little happy talking about the 93 Rx-7 with the R1 package

Ahh,
The R1...I have driven one before. It was intense. The car was extremely nimble and had extreme grip!

The straight line performance was okay...but it had some serious wheel hop off the line. When I hit it from a stop, I thought the car was going to rattle to pieces during the hop. My new T/A did the same thing before the aftermarket lower control arms.

As far as the import vs domestic debate...

If I see its tail lights during a race, I give it my respect. I dont care if the car is made in Poland, Africa, Japan, Brazil, etc.

-Doug

What if he beats you in reverse?
You wont see the tail lights that way...
Will you respect THEM?

Or what if they don't have tail lights?

How about if they put tail lights on their hood?

What if the tail lights are Altezzas? lol

are you smoking crack or something?

I wish...

Just bought a 03 VW GTI 1.8t, I guess I'm an import guy now

I hear those 1.8 Turbo motors respond well to small modifications. Go over to a V-dub forum and find out what ya need to do.

-Doug

I first checked this site out when my good friend was looking into purchasing a 3rd gen with a 305. I was doing some checking as to the upgrade potential/maintenence issues of 3rd gens. That particular Camaro wasn't in the best shape, so he bought an 88 Mustang 5.0 LX notchback 5-speed that used to belong to the Texas highway patrol.

He took that car to the track and we raced numerous, numerous times. Between street and track races, I'd say we raced over 25 times, from a stop, from a roll, on the street, and at the 1/8 mile track. I beat the car every single time we raced, so he eventually sold the Mustang and bought a 1st gen DSM.

You can see pictures of both of our cars together on my homepage listed below in my signature.

Your friend is stupid.

No offense but stock for stock a 1st gen DSM would get murdered by a 5.0 notch 5 speed.

The notch also has more potential. With mods they can be crazy fast. (9's, 8's, whatever).

Im not talking bad on your DSM...they are nice cars, but comparing a modded car to a stock car is just stupid. I know many people who are deep in the 12's with 1st gens...they can be fast.

-Doug

LOL


just giving you a hard time cause you seem to be ranting about some wierd shiz

I'm sure he is not going for an all out race car so why would he worry about trying to get 8-9 second runs?

also from what I understand a 1g DSM would prolly go about being cheaper to mod and being a daily driver maybe even get better gas...

The mustang is a faster car. Period.

Anyone who cant get 13's out of a stock 5.0 notch 5 speed, isnt fit to drive one.

Anyone who get 13's out of a stock 1st gen DSM is a demigod.

see my point?

And cheaper to mod...maybe up to a certain point. Once you do the basic "cheap" more boost type stuff and max out the factory turbo you'll be spending some real cash.

Also keep in mind that mustang parts are DIRT CHEAP!

And MPG? Maybe, but all the fast DSM's I have seen run require race gas to run at full boost. (these guys run LOW 12's)

-Doug

high 13's on a bone stock notch back right? not sure there

maybe they do what some guy who used to live here does.....
drive around on normal gas....
then come track day put the good stuff in up the boost to 25psi.... then when the day is over put a little 92octane gas in there and drive away.

but either car would be a decent choice... I wouldn't call buying a DSM over a mustang stupid though... it all is on what yo uwant to do an what you want to drive

teehee... I'm trying to run 12 flat in a N/A 383 Firebird. Wonder how wonderful my MPG will be!!!

I'll call w00tage if it's over 8mpg! yah?

hey my 71 camaro only was getting about 8-12 not making a difference city or hwy

Sorry.

I didnt mean stupid the way it came off. Both are nice cars. As I said earlier, I respect anything that'll give me a whoopin. And I have gotten a whoopin before from both a notch and a 1st gen DSM.

Rock on fellas

-Doug

Well, since your interested about the comparitive mods when we raced, here they were:

Mustang:

Gutted cats
No mufflers at all
K&N, no silencer
New clutch of some sort
No spare/jack
Street tires

Ran a best of 9.4 like this, usually 9.5's.
Trapped around 75 mph.

Talon:

2.5" cat-back
K&N in hacked housing, no silencer
Manual boost controller
No spare/jack
Street tires

Ran a best of 9.2 like this pretty consistently.
Trapped around 79 mph.

Same day, same track, numerous, numerous runs.

I would have to say that the cars were pretty similarly modded (i.e. both nearly stock). One could argue "if the Mustang had this and this it would've run this and this", but one could also argue that "if the Talon had this and this it would've run this and this". That's what the cars had, that's what the cars ran. I'm certainly not arguing with you about Mustangs being fast, because they are. I've been smoked by my share. It's just that I've learned better than to argue with people when they say "there's no way a DSM is going to be faster than a Mustang, and it's stupid to sell a Mustang for a DSM." It's just a waste of time.

I've beaten three Mustangs that ran 8.5's and 8.6's at the track on drag radials when they raced me from stoplights on street tires (I do have a few more cheapo mods, now). I accomplished this on a stock clutch which is barely holding on to life after 112,000 miles. The Mustang owners all go to the same tracks that I do and I know all of the owners personally. Yes, they were racing. Yes, they know how to drive.

If you'll notice, I'm not bad mouthing Mustangs, and I'm not trying to encourage a Mustang vs. DSM thread. I like Mustangs a great deal, and I test-drove several 5.0's when I was looking for cars...I just happen to prefer the DSM.

My friend also preferred DSM's, so that's why he bought one. He never had any intention of building an 8 second 1/4 mile monster, he wanted a reasonably quick street car that got decent mileage. I happen to enjoy all varieties of fast cars, but my personal tastes and practicality swayed me to the DSM. So did his. Your tastes may vary.

I feel the warmth of impending flames. I guess it won't be the first time.

Hard to beat a dsm to the 1/8 mile. You pretty much always play catch up off the line with that AWD.

eh you just don't know what you are talking about mustangs are fastest thing around yo

take you and you stupid import away from here cause imports suck and you know that so go to some **** site like you belong

That's true. My Talon is FWD, though.

AHH FWD!!
haha j/p.atleast youre not NA!!

damn it I'm N/A

but least I'm RWD so

well you have no right to be NA mister. :nono: but i know your plans,so as long as it eventually gets a turbo,it'll be cool.but yes,atleast you are RWD!!