does anyone know if this is true or not?.....

I have never personally been to any of the r*cer sites, but i have a theory....now we know that there are some imports that beat the slower 305tbi cars, and some tpi cars quite readily....now this is unfortunate but its true.....

for the most part, when these people get beaten by one of these atrocities on wheels they openly tell everyone about, if you check the posts here plenty of people have gotten beat by the "not quite as slow as most of them imports"

now, we know for sure that most of the time, especially with guys that have alot more than what the general put under the hood....the slow *** imports get waxed like a bikini line all night long.....so theory is this,

i bet on some r*ce board someplace, you will find hundreds of stories about "mad tyte" races where the R*cer burned a camaro....but i doubt you will find any about a R*icer that got fisted by a stroker camaro, or a blown car, or a squeezed car etc. i dont think they have the same honesty that some of the f-body guys have around here.....they will lose and then tell everyone they know that they rocked you by 8 cars. just a theory though, anyone know for sure?

i know a few import guys that have decently fast cars in the 14s and one in the high 13s and theyre openly honest about if they lose or not...the ones that lie are the TRUE R-ICERS....the ones with the GIANT exhaust ground effects stickers spoilers lowered and nothing else and go around town flooring it the whole time showing off....my hats off to any import guy that knows his s hit and doesnt lie about his car....after all if you have a fast car you have a fast car...nothing to be ashamed about losing...everyone loses even vettes

Iwent to a mitsu Galant site last night (a buddy of mine has one)
I don't know what he is thinking.
but anyway they talk about rycers too, even though most of their cars are ryced out too (but not in their eyes)
I keep bugging him that he should get a better car, heck even if it is another import.
he says he likes the challange of finding parts for his car, not many people make performance parts for a galant.
he is ryced out he just don't know it.......
and he races that 4dr 4 banger like its a race car.......
but his races are with maximas and corrolas
he told me he knows a guy on his site that dumped about $5Gs into his car and it runs 13s....i'm like thats stupid.......for 5Gs I'd be in the 11s...he goes so it's a sports car....i'm like if you want to go fast you need to start with a good platform.
anything can go fast with enough money......
biker
rant mode off......

I believe 'Cars' to the majority of kids, means nothing more than a medium to show their individual personality.
The performance aspect or mechanical knowledge to them is just a by-product of 'playing' with their car. Performance & knowledge is something they don't have, but want it- the reasons they don't have it, probably come down to:
1) Lack of money that's required to make an econobox fast
2) Don't want/care to spend the time needed to be invested into learning about the mechanics of a car

Problem is: #1 & #2 are required to be a car enthusiest...again- they want it, but don't have it...so they do pointless stuff to their cars to make people think they have #1 & #2. This is why we call these genre of people 'Posers' & 'R!CERS.
You can always tell a tree by the fruit it bears. A R!cer will always prove to be a R!cer, and a car enthusiest will always prove to be a car enthusiest.

Actually I post on superhonda.com and those guys for the majority are pretty good about telling the truth. They seem to realize that imports aren't as fast in a straight line as the domestic cars. However they become very short with you if you talking about F-bodies beating honda's when road racing.

But all and all, There are just as many stupid kids that drive Camaros, Mustangs, Montes, etc. that don't know what they are doing as imports. The thing is the imports guys are seen as different by us so we rip on them, but when a Camaro guy says something stupid people just let it go because we see them as one of our own and don't want to make them feel stupid.

Yet again it comes down to this There are import tuners and there are R1CERS, import tuners are just car enthusiests that have a few wires crossed .

Later, Garrett

most of the guys on superhonda know their stuff, and it's good to just read, but i stopped posting because once you make a valid point about an american car, every retard on the board flocks to your post to bash it.

there's probably twice as many idiots on that board as there are on this one and every other car message board.

truth is, nobody knows everything there is about cars and performance

well some people do....like john moss, lingenfelter.....enzo ferrari etc

but not many

have you seen the r1cer bs video!!

yes i have, i saved it and i will cherish it forever hehe :hail:

Couldn't have said it better myself. I have a friend that has a Civic hatch that he's building up. At first I figured he was just jumping on the import bandwagon and building a POS r1cemobile, but then I asked him why he got a Civic, he said it was cause he wanted to build one up to actually be fast so he can run with the domestics. Right now he's runnin low 14's, but he's put way too much money (and time) into it. But at least when he's done it will be a respectable import and not just another Civic with a fartcan.


Tim:rockon:

sure i mean a stock civic with a ***** wing and fart can is slow as hell and any thirdgen could beat one. but the imports are getting faster and faster by the day, the turbo civics and integras are will run high 12's all day with just bolt ons. and the AWD talons and ecplises are running 11's and 12's on the street. theres hondas whacking the sh*t out of LS1's and built *** domestics. and now with alot of the major aftermarket parts companys making performance parts for the imports there really starting to become a force to be reconded with unfortunantly. not to sounds harsh but the TPI and TBI 3rd gen engines are getting pushed further and further down the obsolete ladder.

I try to put a stop to ignorance but posting with facts. As for my opinion (seperate subject) I think most people that post on fbody.com are just kids that are living in a fanatsy world of bench racing.

yep thats what this thread is about.....living in reality.....

people always talk about how there are imports on the street that run 11's and blah, blah, blah etc. but where are they? the fastest import at NED hits low 12's and its not a daily driven car by any means.

ive never encountered an import that was even close to that fast...do they exist? ya but the number of them that exists is greatly exagerated......i run into other cars GN's, big block 1st gens, monte's, third gens, 4th gens, vettes etc that are well capable of the 11 sec mark (and prove it at the track weekly in some cases) and this is like a daily occurence.....but the import crowd keeps talking and keeps losing...on the street, and on the track

I taled to this kid in my town that owns a VW Rabbit or some crap. He has a four cylinder with a cold air intake. He put vinyl tile over his side windows. He wanted to race my car because he was going to run 11's. I was thinking to myself yeah especially with only three lugnuts. He went to the track and found out he runs 16's. lol

that kind of thing just happened to me. for most of the whole year, ive been trying to get this "super Honda" to run me at the track. all her friends (yep, its a girl) said her car had the potential to go 12s. it was a 1.6 SI (2000), with a built bottom end, Jackson SC, and upgraded fuel injectors. this was supposedly the import to beat. she never popped her hood (ohh, so secretive), and always raced other cars on the street, but would NEVER accept MY challenges. finally i saw her at the strip for the first time last Fri. she was running consistant mid - high 14s. :sillylol: :sillylol: :sillylol: after all that hype for over a year, what a dissapointment

ya man......the only thing worse than r*cers is ...you guessed it..

r*icer chicks!!! because like alot of girls, they cant be convinced of anything, like someone else on here that mentioned a girl he knew whose 03 eclipse spyder was a low 11 sec car....STOCK!!!.

man thats dumb

Yep, I think we can all admit that that girl on "The Fast And The Furious" looked good, but here are the facts:
1)Egomaniac
2)Pain in the ***
3)Dominating
4)No nothing/know-it-all
5)Stupid dialogue and personallity

That's talking about her character of course. She may be cool in real life. Unfortunately, in real life, some youn dumb girls are very easily influenced by that movie.

hey my wires are just fine..... come on the fuel injected 4bb quadrajet in my paps geo metro running a powered by honda ford 327 4 cyl is running just fine

the part that I put in bold I would quite say is true


the SI though might not be the fastest car out there can beat some TBI and v6 cars

but the rest of your statement is true

a lot of import cars are starting to get there act together and come up with some decent cars t o start with and then the ppl who are getting them are starting to make them faster..... but... there are still your **** boys out there who don't know a damn thing of what they are doing and yet think they can beat anything out there..

and then the domestic market is started to get it's fair share of "****" as well. either the ppl who go out and buy the cav take the airfilter off and said it would make 15 more hp doing that. or who knows what


as a matter of fact I think I might have a race with somebody comming up here soon
from what I understand it is a 350 from some mid to late 70's nova (if I remember right) that is seriously underpowered and the only mod is something like a 800-1050cfm carb (not sure of the sizeyet)
the ppl I know that know of him can't stand him and want me to race him to shut him up... I donno though

if you give me time I can find some


least rx7 cars I can, and I have a post going here to get some times of daily driven cars

http://www.rx7club.com/forum/showthr...hreadid=137498

but I will look around on other sites if I can also


also this is one guy who I think is daily driven his name is pluto
here is a link to him
http://www.rx7club.com/forum/showthr...threadid=25897


but again I will look at some other sites see if I can find info on them


the biggest problem though imports it seems is that most of the guys are ricers who don't know what they are talking about brag about nothing and just plain are stupid dumb f<x>ucktards but the ones that really are doing the good stuff don't always go about bragging about it unless it is on some place where it is a close nit group. the real import ppl who have the fast cars almost seem to run it like a family and unless you are in they don't say **** to you unless you ask them and then they just play it off sometimes as nothing

rx7, ya i know you can find some examples, there are quite a few....but im talking about on the whole here. the averages. there are alot more 12 second and faster v8's ripping around town than there are honda's (or any 4banger), rx7's, and supras, or 300zx's. and its not just by a little, the ratio is probably quite large, like 5:1 or so.

there are the fast ones.....but they are not as numerous as some people would like to think they are.

i see this all summer long....i run alot of hardcore v8 stuff around town, and at the track....the number of imports, or 4bangers that impresses me is far, far, far smaller. at the track id say that 1 out of 30-40 imports isnt a **** mobile....and 1 out of 10 of those is quick. its not that it cant be done, its just not as prevalent as people like to think it is.

this comment perfectly illustrates what i mean....

you have to look to find them, with the fast domestic v8 crowd, you dont have to look. just drive around for an hour or so (in the summer time) your sure to see 10 cars that are 12 sec or faster just cruising around.

im not ripping on you rx7, im just trying to illustrate a point

Yup. Musclecars and Sportscars still and are always gonna be the cars for performance and speed. Oh please with this imports are beating TBI's and Auto LB9's. If so they're not stock or the Third Gen isn't in that good of condition, and maintained LB9 5-Speeds and L98's have no reason to even have a doubt about beating 1 at all. They're not pulling 9 G's stock either and getting over 1 G easily. Like 383 said we have performance cars and they don't. Our cars can do things theirs can't and we can make it even better if we feel like it and for alot less money because the cars are made for it. The number of fast musclecars of any year or kind compared to imports is INCREDIBLY different. Stop listening to the BS and see what REALLY goes on at the track and on the streets. How any1 thats looking for some kind of performance can even want to be seen in 1 of those things and not a real car is beyond me. Seriously.

My next car is gonna be a DSM. Im keeping the camaro of course but I need another car that is quick and gets good milage. I want a ~93 talon or eclipse with AWD turbo. I wanna see what it takes to get one fast. Plus its gonna look bone stock besides a set of rims. Rims look good on any car.

There is already a DSM laser around here I have seen beat some 5.0 mustangs. Just a turbo to. No n2o. So the potential is there im sure. Heard they can go high 14s with free mods...thats quicker than alot of camaros out there.

most dsm's will go high 14's stock if in a good state of tune and driven right.and yes you have to drive them right.even with AWD you cant just dump the clutch.although it is MUCH easier than FWD obviously.but once you get some higher HP levels in there,it will spin if not launched right.and with the free/cheap mods,some DSM's are capable of high 13's,mostly the 1gen cars,which are ALOT easier and cheaper to get power out of.good choice on the next car.you wont regret it!
i think that the reason they stay in their groups is because alot of the domestic punks(like the ones who are 17 and have a 4th gen LSI because their parents are rich and they dont know SH*T about their car)are ignorant and would just laugh off any import guy that just wanted to chat,maybe even get a friendly race together.so they shut them out and dont even bother with us.in my eyes,these stupid kids are the downfall of the domestic side.they run around in their cars,burning out whenever possible just because they can.and think they own the streets cause they have a shiny black 6 speed LS1 Z28 or T/A with a CAI and Borla or Flowmastervexhaust.i find them pathetic.its one thing to have a low 13 second car.its another to actually be able to drive that car to a low 13 second time.with street tires.which alot of these posers cant.but the car can do it,so therefore they rule all.i just cant wait till i can embarass them in BOTH of my cars,especially the Camaro.with the 305.to me,these losers are the ricers on the domestic bench.atleast when it comes to their attitudes.

Or did he just make a knock on himself.

I believe cars are classes to me. For you to race the RS you have to have money or a fast car, but if it is a Cavalier or some crap like that I find it fun just to race them with my winter beater. I find that my family car is a good all around car for racing and driving. Anything that can run 13's and get 22.4 miles to the galoon is a good favorite.

I think the other import guys with the lower end models under 30k, probably just don't mention any defeats, but mention every conquest they had.


They probably talk about beating 2.8 f-bodies like mine thinking they beat a V8 so they feel proud about themselves, at least that's my take.


383backinblack, there is probably some truth to your theory.

see they have street night up at NED twice a week all summer long....and the r*ce mobiles get smoked constantly.....they have a weekly points series (not gonna see any imports in that) and they have an import shootout where nothing with more than 6 cyl is allowed.

now what i wanna see, is an import/domestic shootout with brackets, classes whatever, to call out the supposed real import guys and then we can see what the deal is. maybe we can talk someone up there into organizing that.

brackets - fantastic idea to eliminate the strong from the weaker.

what the hell is that supposed to mean?how did i knock myself?for me to race the RS i need to build it.and i can do that because i KNOW what im doing,unlike the losers i was talking about before.i DONT have a whole lot of money.in fact im unemployed right now.but when i do get a job,and i do get money,i will know what to do with it to get the RS quick,even with the 305.its a small block chevy.you dont need alot of money to make it somewhat quick.and i forgot to mention,i WILL be sprayin to make it that much quicker.and yes i will use it on the street when need be.and it will be used at the track.i plan on getting the 305 into the low 14's N/A,maybe even 13's if i can get everything right.it will cost several thousand,but thats including motor,tranny,and suspension work.
so before you call anyone out newbie assclown,get the facts straight.and please elaborate on how i knowcked myself.i dont own an LS1 4th gen that my parents bought me.i am paying for my car myself.with my money.so bite me.

stop the frican whining guys....stay on topic here. oh ya, while im here,

maroon, if you wanna go fast just buy a crate 350 long block from goodwrench (regular motor not HO) and swap in the cam and heads and junk you want.....it will be way cheaper and easier that way. unless you like the 305 for some weird reason

well i would swap,but i dont have the resources to do that right now.and its not that i like the 305,although i dont really mind it.i just want to have one of the few quick 305's around.i just plan on heads,cam,intake,carb swap,headers,full exhaust,100-125shot,and suspension work.when i do get the resources to do a motor swap,ill swap what i can to the new motor,whatever it may be.i just want to have a quick 305 to say that i have one.

I am not very old but I have dumped alot of money in my car. I did have my sister co-sign for me but it was paid off in six months. Then it was go time. I go to school and work to support my habbit. I'm not a fan of crate engines but my father is looking at the new 572 Crate engine from Chevy for the new project.

Is that the horsepower or cubic inches?

Lets see 572 cid and he wants to put it in a 34 Chevy Cabrolea Covertible. I think he is just trying to see if he can get faster than my camaro.

dude those new 572ci crate motors are a force to reckoned with....although i havent seen a price yet, i imagine they are gonna be astronomical there are 2 versions, one is pump gas friendly and is a little over 600hp i believe....the other version is like 13:1 compression and makes over 700hp, but obviously needs some good fuel to make that power

thats kind of on topic......a 572ci rat motor with over 600hp (and im sure it has a table top for a torque curve) thats about as real as it gets folks:lala:

At 572 cubes, it should be a force to be reckoned with. I was reading in a Camaro magazine about a 1st gen that had a 615 cubic inch engine, I don't remember the exact size. What these look like? I have never seen one in a car that size. Where would you get an engine like that?

its probably a donovan or a rodack block.....it looks the same on the outside as a regular big block, as long as its not aluminum......but you can hog those out really big.

a donovan 540 aluminum chevy block costs about 8K

I'm guessing those are mostly for drag strip use.

well ya, only pro teams can afford to use that stuff for the most part....

if anyone has seen the polly motorsports t/a with the 540 twin turbo motor in it, thats a donovan block.

we dream about one of those for the monster truck(well that and a hemi) and that thing makes some cash, still cant afford the 8K

the rodack blocks are even cooler but i think they are yet more expensive.

I think this thread should have been closed a long time ago. I dont have any idea why you would say a group of people are dishonest about winning or loosing simply because of the type of car they drive.

But anyway, you wanna talk about living in reality? The reality of the situation is this: Any situation you can concieve of in the import scene also happens in the domestic scene. Yes stupid people mod slow cars thinking they are fast. Yest stupid people run their mouth about stuff they dont know and make fools out of themselves. Thats just how the car scene is. There are people who are real, and there are people who are not. It dosnt matter what they drive.

your missing the points dude.....if you read some of the posts,
we are talking about the people that perpetuate the myth that as a general rule imports of the fast nature, exist in the same proportion as fast domestics. its simply not the case. the numbers are way over exagerated, and it gets proved 3 times a week at New England dragway.

man i love that place:lala:

Yep.

why should this thread be closed? because you dont like it? go someplace else then.

you obviously dont understand whats going on here, try reading all the posts first

I don't think this thread should be locked either. I was agreeing with the 2nd part of what CrazyHawaiian was talking about. I don't read all of the posts at first, but I do read them the second time around, which is why some of my replies may be off topic.

lol just pay attention, thats all i ask :rockon:

I have a short attention span.

Not in Virginia. At least not on the track(s) around here. The fastest STREET car I've seen so far was a 12.4 WRX. And he's got some "mods". I see guys say all the time, "Slap this on and it will run 13's, 12's ( substitute your number here...use the air dyno ) but a normal PERFORMANCE mod to an import tuner can mean dropping $500 for maybe a few HP. Now the exception course is the turbo'd cars. FACTORY turbo'd cars. Yup, kinda like the Buick GN's. Sure, tweak this, add that, etc and they are a 12 second car with little invested. Little what? $$$? Time? How about knowledge? There's ALWAYS going to be somebody who can take a ( insert car here ) and make it FAST for what SEEMS to be not much investment or modifications...and so a lot of people try to copy him ( or her ) and they fail. It's called TUNING. Not bolting on, but TUNING.

Ask any DIY / PROM poster. And for every FAST car you see out there, I bet you there are several more out there, but you just don't see them posting etc.

Now on the other hand, there are PLENTY of people who throw INSANE amounts of $$$ and time at a Camaro / Firebird / Mustang etc and still they aren't that fast. And then there's the car with the faded paint, and the quiet exhaust..."oh...that can't be fast".....nope it's not, it's INSANELY fast but it's subtle.

ALOT of the "ricers" come from the fact that their 1st cars are decided by their parents, or they want cars like their friends ( who picked theirs? ) to belong...Actually being FAST is a foreign concept to them. If you drove a 15 second Honda among a bunch of kids who drove 16 and 17 second cars, you ARE FAST.....in you're own group.


To be honest, I've seen plenty of F-Body's on this site that I think are ***** as all get out...but that's not my car, so who am I to criticize? I'm not paying for it...I'm not driving it... so what do I care?


Lots of VALID points in this thread. But the truth is simple. There aren't that many quick import cars ( STREET CARS ) around. Hell, I remember they had a SUPER IMPORT show or whatever at the local track, and the BIG DEAL was a Honda RACE CAR NOT A STREET CAR, breaking into the 9's. WTF? Yup that's fast for a Honda, but what year did a normal V-8 powered race car break into the 9's..40 years ago?


I served in the Army with a guy that was from Colorado. He and his Dad used to run a PINTO w/ a turbo'd 2.3. They HAD to be allowed to run in the import races, because the motor was made in Brazil, so it was considered an import. They used to SPANK the high dollar "tuner" cars with a junkyard Ford 2.3 and junkyard Turbo's.


What about the VW cars? I used to know some guys with some FAST VW Bugs...hardly every see them at the import races. They tend to stick with other VW's.

Wanna go FAST? GO FAST. Want to look good? ( in your opinion ), the go for it. Want to do both, go for it.

Want to do both and still be able to pay your mortgage, bills, and support a family? Buy a SBC powered RWD car and start wrenching:P


BTW......some of you guys with F-Body's that run in the 16's and 15's , WATCH out......those new Maxima's are pretty quick. For a STOCK FWD Import. I saw a BRAND NEW one going 15.5 with a BAD driver.

OF COURSE there was also the Buick GN that was running 14's. Last year, SAME CAR, different driver / owner it went LOW 13's.

Ramble mode off......need to mix another drink.


Chris
Yup, my 14.6 IROC isn't that fast at all. It'll see 13's by spring, with no internal mods, and still me my DAILY driver, like EVERYDAY, not just on SaturDAY or SunDAY or on sunny DAYS...And my total investment will be less than cost to make a BRAND NEW Honda go 13's.

:P

Oh I see. So we can somehow conclude that because domestics are faster where you live, it must be like that all over the WORLD. Yeah ok!!

Its impossible to find a true answer to your question. There is no way you could account for EVERY import/domestic in the WORLD and then verify their 1/4 times and somehow come out with a conclusion of which platform (domestic or import) has more faster cars. Its just impossible. If you want to talk probability, then I would say it is more probable that there will be more 'fast' domestic cars because they come from the factory somewhat fast.