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Old Feb 11, 2003 | 05:22 PM
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me vs. eclipse gts

He works and my work and we raced. well i was about a car ahead till 3rd gear and then hsi car took off. Very fast car 60+!!! he went by me in 3rd like i was standing still. He has stock turbo, front mount intercooler, bigger injectors, 14psi o boost, full exhaust, and he runs nitto drag radials. his car hooked really well. Overall good race. hopefully with headers i should be able to stay ahead. what do u guys think?
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Old Feb 11, 2003 | 10:25 PM
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If he shot by as fast as you say then I don't think headers are going to make the transition from getting beat to beating. Maybe if you work the TBI a little more and then the headers he won't catch up and pass you so badly.

Get a TBI spacer, and an aftermarket manifold. Then get the headers. That way you'll put more distance between you and him in the gears where you are making more power and his turbo won't pull up on you nearly as fast because he'll have more distance to cover and you are making more power when he starts to pull anyway so it'll be a much different story.
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Old Feb 11, 2003 | 10:33 PM
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i think i have decided. i have been doin some research. i think i'm going import. i'm not selling the bird but parking it till i can save money for a new motor and a blower. I'm thinking of saving for a 300z twin turbo. they are such nice looking cars and they are fast. I just i have the time to make the bird go fast. to make the bird go fast i could have already bought a 300z. so that way i can work on the bird and learn more about engines and installing my own engine parts.
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Old Feb 11, 2003 | 11:37 PM
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the 300 zx twin turbos cost a pretty penny around here, i usually see some for 9 grand.
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Old Feb 12, 2003 | 01:47 AM
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Well... ok

Before you do that though consider that you already own a car. You know what needs fixing and what doesn't. Take this into consideration too -

You can always sacrifice gas mileage and swap to a carb. You'll make more power, carbs are cheap and dont involve any computers. Plus, you already got the damn car.
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Old Feb 12, 2003 | 10:06 AM
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Well that guy must be either stupid or lying to you if he is running 14 psi on a stock T-25. If he were to run 14 psi on his stock turbo(t25) he is choking his engine, his turbo would spool way to fast to get any benefit.

If you are going to buy a 300ZX TT, you will probally spend 5G at the least. For 5 grand you could drop in a 350(or larger) that easily makes over 300 hp and have enough over to buy a pair of slicks and whatever you needed.
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Old Feb 12, 2003 | 10:41 AM
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Originally posted by BigErns90IrocZ
Well that guy must be either stupid or lying to you if he is running 14 psi on a stock T-25. If he were to run 14 psi on his stock turbo(t25) he is choking his engine, his turbo would spool way to fast to get any benefit.

If you are going to buy a 300ZX TT, you will probally spend 5G at the least. For 5 grand you could drop in a 350(or larger) that easily makes over 300 hp and have enough over to buy a pair of slicks and whatever you needed.
the turbo in a stock 1st gen can take 21 psi
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Old Feb 12, 2003 | 11:56 AM
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The 14b unported kind of dies after 18psi, even that's pushing it. You CAN run 25psi on it but you'll just be pushing a bunch of hot air and knocking like crazy.
The t25 can run 16psi and I believe it has 12psi stock, higher than that it just pushes hot air. T-25s suck.
Once the turbo is upgraded, however, things get much less clear cut but overall 1Gs (1990-1992.5 and a lesser extent 92.5-94) are far superior for upgrading due to a better intake/throttle body/head/turbo/injectors. 2Gs (1995-1999) have a better exhaust manifold/o2 housing and...I'm not sure what else beyond looks.
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Old Feb 12, 2003 | 02:10 PM
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The 14b unported kind of dies after 18psi, even that's pushing it. You CAN run 25psi on it but you'll just be pushing a bunch of hot air and knocking like crazy.
The t25 can run 16psi and I believe it has 12psi stock, higher than that it just pushes hot air. T-25s suck.
Once the turbo is upgraded, however, things get much less clear cut but overall 1Gs (1990-1992.5 and a lesser extent 92.5-94) are far superior for upgrading due to a better intake/throttle body/head/turbo/injectors. 2Gs (1995-1999) have a better exhaust manifold/o2 housing and...I'm not sure what else beyond looks.
2g's have better tranny's, and suspension, and brakes. 2g's can be made to outhandle a 1g failly easily...but you're right about the T2small sucking for mak power, but it does have very minimal lag which is good for auto-X and can still run low 14's high 13's with that turbo. It runs 12psi stock because it's limited by the stock plastic BOV leaking, and it can run 16 psi before it becomes unefficient.
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Old Feb 12, 2003 | 02:12 PM
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Originally posted by blaznbrd
i think i have decided. i have been doin some research. i think i'm going import. i'm not selling the bird but parking it till i can save money for a new motor and a blower. I'm thinking of saving for a 300z twin turbo. they are such nice looking cars and they are fast. I just i have the time to make the bird go fast. to make the bird go fast i could have already bought a 300z. so that way i can work on the bird and learn more about engines and installing my own engine parts.
Yeah it can be pretty frustrating. My stock 95 GSX eclipse can run high 14's....that's better than the mid 15's my IROC is running now after a decent amount of money dumped into it.

Oh well, ZZ4 coming soon.
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Old Feb 12, 2003 | 03:11 PM
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Originally posted by MikeDwhoROCZImports
2g's have better tranny's, and suspension, and brakes. 2g's can be made to outhandle a 1g failly easily...but you're right about the T2small sucking for mak power, but it does have very minimal lag which is good for auto-X and can still run low 14's high 13's with that turbo. It runs 12psi stock because it's limited by the stock plastic BOV leaking, and it can run 16 psi before it becomes unefficient.
Oh yea, 2Gs sure as heck are smoother trannies to shift. Shifting at high rpm from 1-2 in my 1g scares me with all the noise it makes Handling of course is better forgot all about autox, drag racing on the mind and all. Problem is that the 7 bolt tends to walk behind a heavy clutch. Good excuse to do the 6 bolt swap though.
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Old Feb 12, 2003 | 07:32 PM
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I'm sorry but I don't think you have even gotten into any serious engine mods. So your TBI is basically stock and surprise! its slow too... It sounds to me like you just want to buy a car thats quick to begin with and you dont care much to think out a mod plan.

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Old Feb 12, 2003 | 08:35 PM
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i'm very limited mod wise. because i live in the worst state to mod a car cali. So this limits me alot on mods that i can do. i would love to change to carb but it's a no no i cali. also i dind't say i was giving up on it. it will be heavily modded but right now it's my daily driver so i can't do anything where it's down for more then 24 hours. THat is why i want to buy i fast car for a daily driver and then build a really fast car for the weekeds and drag racing. so that way when i'm done i will have 2 really fast cars.
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Old Feb 13, 2003 | 10:26 AM
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stock 2nd gens run 11psi, just to let you guys know, not that it matters or anything. hey if you buy a 300zx, good luck working on it, i cant even fit a finger anywhere in the engine bay cuz they are so jam packed. if you want a fast car for cheap, dsm's are the way to go!
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Old Feb 13, 2003 | 12:07 PM
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Originally posted by 89rsIMPRTETR
stock 2nd gens run 11psi, just to let you guys know, not that it matters or anything. hey if you buy a 300zx, good luck working on it, i cant even fit a finger anywhere in the engine bay cuz they are so jam packed. if you want a fast car for cheap, dsm's are the way to go!
That's EXACTLY the reason I got mine. I usually have a beater in the winter and drive my IROC in the summer....but this summer I'm going to be doing the TPI/ZZ4 swap so it'll be off the road a good amount of the time. I needed something that I wouldn't mind driving in the winter AND summer, and could be made fast cheaply and with little effort so I could put most of my funds and time into my Z28. I couldn't really find a car that fit the bill better than a DSM.
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