Got a race set up with a guy in a 2002 RT/10. It's bone stock down to the paper filters. I don't think it'll be much of a challenge, but you never know. What do these things run anyway?

 

Most vipers run mid to high 11's bone stock with the right driver and traction.

 

12.1. Good luck!

 

so that means mid to high 12's cause you know he can't drive

 

Just looked up some stats on dodge-vipers.com

0-60 mph: 4.1 sec
0-100 mph: 9.8 sec
1/4 mile: 12.2 sec @ 119 mph

I thought they would be faster than that

 

i would think that would be an "average" #. look at the Z06 #'s and compare them.

 

If you run 11's you should ebat him even on the street. Chances are you have a lot of practice launching your car and getting it to run the numbers that it does. Chances are he hasn't done the same. And even if he can drive and you goof, he has to make up for a full seond in the 1/4 to stay ahead. Go nic

 

I have heard Vipers can be 11s with a great driver but most see 12s at 120 or so!

 

Ya, I'd say that's pretty shytty for a factory production vehicle you can virtually pick up off the showroom floor at a local Chrysler / Dodge dealership!

 

They make great road race cars though Got a ride in a couple around the track in Willows CA.

 

Racing from a stop or on the freeway?

 

We're doing it at the track...I think that gives me even more of an advantage

 

we did the same here nearly identical cars, except with a 306 that only has 10.3 to one compression and a 125 compucar shot. on the street he killed him. at the track it wouldnt be worth the mustangs time to bother unless by some miracle the viper can find some slicks, then the stang would still win just by less.

 

I'm thinking I'll keep the bottle closed and launch in 2nd just to make it interesting.

 

well then you'll be toast

 

LOL, y not reverse?

 

Ok... a few things...

Vipers... they might pull off a 12 sec 1/4.... with a 4 sec 60' cause its hard as hell to launch a stock viper without peeling half the rubber off the rim.
With a good driver and everything... 11's is possible
Does the stang run 11's n/a?
The new vipers would run a good 11 sec.
If he hooks, and the only way you hit 11's is with magic juice and you dont use it... your seeing snake tail.

 

Nics stang better run 11s NA. Lets just put it that way!

 

hes dead meat!!!!

 

Let's put it this way...if my Stang wasn't running mid 11's on motor I'd push it off a cliff and start riding a bicycle everywhere I went

 

I have to agree, I have seen enough iron headed, stock cammed, cobra intaked cars pull off low 12s and high 11s to be confident you will run easy mid 11s on motor! Good luck with it.

 

Why is it everytime I race one they go down?

 

ugh...well, as of about 2 hours ago, it was a strong running combination. I can't seem to keep a motor or transmission together anymore though

loud pop + lots of oil coming out the tail pipes =

I seriously don't have the time, money, or the patience to deal with this anymore. That's 3 motors and 5 transmissions in the last 3 years. Will probably be parting the car out to pay off my remaining debt and driving the Jeep until after graduation this May, then I may or may not get back into racing. I dunno right now.

 

Damn man, that sucks. Was it the middle of a run when the motor went? Once you get more money together I'm sure you'll be back into racing, once you get in it's hard to get it out of your blood. Maybe next time around you'll run a thirdgen
Be sure to film when you push the car off the cliff though, I'm sure some of the guys on the board would love it

 

damn that sucks...another motor

 

That sucks man, sorry to hear that.

 

That rocks in a bad way. Wanna buy my camaro?

 

Cause you race stock Mustangs!

Sorry to hear that Nic, it sucks you had to lose the engine after putting all that time and effort into it. If it makes you feel better my rings are gone, and my lifters are almost louder than my exhaust! But hey pulled a bunch of 13.4s with no traction today (damn traction loc)!

 

you know why you went through so much stuff right? I wont say it... ill just show the pic.

 

haha...funny

 

WOW!!!!!!

That's wierd I remember when you and 25th were trying to tell me that my buddies Ford was blowing head gaskets and what not cause he didn't know what he was doing..... INTERESTING!!!!!!!!!

 

How are blown head gaskets and broken internals anywhere near related? All of my breakage has been due to part failure (200+ passes a year tends to do that), not lack of tuning ability like your boys blown head gaskets

 

I would never build a ford V-8 but I'm sure not one to kick some one when there down. Sorry to hear it man, graduate in may and build a bad *** chevrolet.

 

Nice, cause I would never build a Chevy because I have seen too many H/C/I GM cars run 14s to want to do that! I like being able to go low 13s with basically intake and exhaust!

I would think there is a difference between Nics motor and your friends motor! Therefore you might expect breakage in a high hp NA 11 second motor where you shouldnt in a low hp near stock car!

 

What kind of jackass kids have you seen running 14's? Were they driving 4x4 suburbans with 305's? You know the only reason the fox body's were even competitive was because of the weight and the chassis right? I've said it before and I guess I will have to say it again dollar for dollar building a 350 chevrolet is always the best bet.

 

And again let me ezplain, I am talking staying FI, not throwing an intake an d carb on the car. You take a 350 TPI Fbody and a 302 FI MUstang and go mod for mod! I have headers, H-pipe, catback, throttle body, pulleys, and an intake (you can port the runners because I know how much one of your intakes costs), 3.73 gears, and tires, and with those parts at full weight (leather, power everything, and AC) my car went 13.21! Oh yeah I drove the car to the track and back! And to boot this isnt the fastest bolt on Mustang I have seen or even driven, but a good example!

And I have seen 350s with H/C/I pulling low 14s and even 305s with superchargers pulling low 14s high 13s @ lower mph than I pull!

 

HCI 350's runnin 14's? Please dont confuse horrible drivers with the rest of the group. There are 305's on this site that run 13's with hci's. for a 305, that aint bad. Yes the ford intake is very good and mustang parts are cheap, but it seem you get what you pay for. SBC and BBC have done the carb thing for so long that there so good at it. But now, GM's FI is better then anyone else out there. TPI was good for its time. I dont know how much emissions crap are on 5.0's but i know that if you buld a 350 vs a 302 in an all out HP war, the 350 will win. Fock induction, exhaust, rears, trans... just engine power. The 350 will put out more power. You cant say it wont. Strait NA power. I also tend to see ALOT of mustangs with power adders. turbos and superchargers. I dont see many 350's with them. But i picked up a 5.0 mag and i saw a lot of cars running power adders. I have yet to see a serious 5.0 put out power with power adder. Even Nic has "enuff nitrous to kill an elephant". Even the Cobra needs a little help from the supercharger fairy. Without it, its a IRS Mach 1. Im not gunna say, "slap on a charger on a ls1 and see what happens" cause i dont have to say that.. .just slap in a LS6!! . the 350 is the cheapest way to make your car fast. How many ford t-buckets and hot rods etc.. have you seen with a 302 ford?. How many with 289? 4.6?..... now, how many hot rods have you seen with just a regular 350? And now the LS1 and LT1 finding its way into hot rods, along with TPI!. The fact is that teh 350 is the cheapest engine to build. 5.0's do mod well, but after a few mods, stuff starts to get even. I have seen modded 5.0's run 16's.... does that mean that there all like that? no. PM some of the HCI 350 FI guys on this board. I know for a fact that most run 13's, some run 12's and even some more in the 11's all N/A. Keep saying that your car does really well with little mods and little money... 350's will still be cheaper to mod and tune.

 

WOW, that is pretty stupid

 

Alright lets get a few things straight.

Nic, sorry about the car, good luck with whatever path you choose. Maybe it's time to at least look into the GM camp for another toy, while you get the Mustang situation straightened out.

25thmustang, I don't think mod for mod a 302 mustang is going to be superior over a 350 tpi f-body. The first reason is weight. Your average LX mustang is about 300lbs lighter than a 350 equipped f-body that is fully optioned, most of them are. The GT mustangs are heavier than the LX's, but they still are over 100lbs lighter than thirdgens.

I've seen 350's with heads/cam/intake/exhaust run 14's too. And that's with a mathed combo. My car actually runs only 13.20's at 102mph with the combo in my sig., which means my car is missing about 80-100 hp. You wanna know the reason? My rings didn't seal and certain cylinders are showing leakdown in the 26% area. My problem came down to machine work or bad rings. My car should be running 12 flat at around 111mph. The problem more often then not in cars that run like **** when they shouldn't is short block assembly and machining, or should I say lack of. All things (factors in engine assembly) being the same I think that similarilly modded mustangs and f-bodys will run close to each other with factors such as cam timing, driver, and traction determining who will win. The reason the smaller mustang engine competes is because the ford heads breathe better on the intake side and their exhaust is designed a little better, unless you get radical with your thirdgen. A 350 will just about always make more tq than a 302, but I think the 302 would have the hp advantage. Of course I'm talking about similar specced fox bodied stangs and thirdgens, both running FI.

 

I do not like fuel injection, but if I were to build a fuel injected car, I would go with a 302, because they respond extremely well to simple mods. Some day I plan on building one, but I'm going to do a few chevys first. Anyone can say they've seen a HCI 350 go 14s, or a modded mustang go 16s, but most dont. Most 5.0s Iv'e seen go 14s stock. Most heavily modified 350s are quicker then that too. I saw a viper running 15s once (driver error), and yesterday I saw a BBC Nomad with a chute and wheelie bars running low 14s all day. Now there was probably something wrong with this car. I don't see what everyone is arguing about. EFI 5.0 vs. TPI 350, the 5.0 clearly has the advantage of being faster for cheaper, but I think its another story for carbed cars. To each his own.

 

I'm talking about staying fuel injected too. With the third gen you Just have to remember to throw the TPI in the trash can where it belongs. Holleys stealth ram is only about $450 with the fuel rails. With the diesel intake off the motor you are now free to use a non-peanut cam to its potential. The LT4 hot is cheap and anyone can port a set of 083's into a decent set of heads. It's all the same as with ford except the chevrolet will be faster mod for mod if you don't dick around and waste money on TPI parts.

 

HAHAHAHA you just proved my point 100%. My car is in the same state, my rings are shot and I would bet any money on a leak down I am losing just as much. We run the same time in the same state, (my rings are gonna be done this winter) at the same mph, but take a look at what it took to get us there!

Remember I am not saying a carbed 350 in a Tbucket, I am comparing your cars (heavy or not) to our cars (heavy or not). Maybe the fact that the most thirdgens I have seen at the track in one day has been maybe 4 or 5 and the most stangs I have seen has been 75+ easily, lets me see more faster Mustangs! Remember we can only go by what we have seen, and from what I have seen and talked to people I would never touch a thirdgen for a drag car unless it was a TTA! Just way to much $$ for me being so young to fork over to run fast times, and there is no way I am going carb on a daily driven street car!

 

Yea, you might be faster in a straight line but we look better and will take you in the twisties!! [/*****]

 

here ya go nic. race this viper. lol

bet he could start in reverse...


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*EDIT* woah i just read the thread...

sorry to hear about your car dood. hope you get it fixed soon, even if it is a "f-word".

 

I know camarojoe has the part's to push himself deep into the 12's, but I'm sorry 25th you don't!! 25th you can't tell me that your car is good for a 12 flat as it sit's, without or with new ring's. This debate is never ending!! I have alot of mustang budies, and mod for mod, they all ran the same or slower than I did at the track, and on the street(most drive lx trunk's). My 91 5.7 ran 14.2-14.4 bone stock, now I am close to mid 13's(13.6-13.9) and I have a stock chip, and never lifted a valve cover yet!! The only intake mod I have is SLP runner's. I am only posting this to show that 350 TPI's are not all dog's. I would also like to say I have alot of respect for the fox's aswell.

 

Hey I am just saying that what we run now is the same and yes my cars rings are shot too, so no excuses! I know I dont have the power to go 12.0s, but then again I do have the power to go 12.9s if I can get my trac loc rebuilt and some better 60's! I am not saying they are dogs, just saying that for the money a TPI or FI 350 verse a FI 302 in our cars, I know which will be cheaper to make go fast!

And yes my *** would get beat in the twisties, but that dont bother me!

 

Like I said earlier the FI 350 will always be faster as long as you don't dick around with TPI parts, take the base-runners-plenum off and give them to somone you don't like. Then get a holley stealth ram or converted Lt1 intake so you can use a real camshaft and fully reap the rewards of it. The 350 will always be faster as long as its not handicapped with TPI.

 

How about someone tries this. Take two exact year mustangs with the same options, and same weight. Now drop a 350 TPI under the hood of one of the mustangs. Mod each the same, headers, intake etc. I guarentee the TPI powered stang will win hands down.

Sorry to here about your motor Nic. But you'll be back! To racing that is.

 

Okay then let me phrase it better...

Our CARS are BETTER for racing hands down, so why waste your time with a thirdgen when you can go faster cheaper in a Mustang!

 

Why waste your time trolling a thirdgen board if you don't like thirdgens?