so nic whats your take on the ? that this post started with?

 

Like I said earlier, I have a friend that runs consistent 13.6's on the stock tires with the same setup, minus the head-work in his '00 GT, so I think it'll be a close race.

 

well i guess we agree.

 

I think a major factor most of you are over looking is the TRACK...Like out here we have 2 tracks, firebird and speedworld...At firebird I see new gts run 15s all night...I will use my buddy as an example...95gt just bolt ons usually runs 15flats at firebird...we went to speedworld one night and he was runnin consistent mid-low 14s...the techs at firebird do a crappy job preppin the track as where the ones at speedworld do a good job...

 

I have been to the track well over 30 times and never seen one 4.6 blow up... not ONE! And I race with a Mustang racing group, so you better believe I see a majority of Mustangs.

 

well thats a surprise because the last 2 times i have been to the track 2 blew up at lebanon valley and i just went to englishtown a few weeks ago and saw 3 of them die me and my friends where laughing and he ons a 91lx stang he even agreed they are junk i dont care what you say i dont like the 4.6 it will never be a durable engine like the 5.0 not even close.

 

I wouldn't say deep into the 13s unless it's a manual, but an auto one like that should hit a 13.7, so watch out. if you can hook like a **** and you're cutting a sub 2 second 60 ft. you might get him if your traps are the same, if not you'd probably fall behind somewhere around 75 but not by more than a car or two (few tenths in slow land)

 

If they blew up they had to be forced induction with a bad tune or a idiot behind the wheel. I have a 92 Crown Vic with well over 100,000 miles and the 1st year for the 4.6 . It has all sthe stock plugs, wires, etc and runs great with a daily beating by me! They are VERY easy cars to maintain and go well over 100,000 miles with no probs. They are very good motors, but are not as easy to work on as the 5.0 no doubt. My friend lives right near Lebanon Valley, when were you there? I would almost bet he was there. ANY motor that has a power adder and is not setup right will have problems. I've seen all kinds of engines blow up, 95% of the time it is because they are ran lean or over revved. Neither are the engines fault.

 

My buddy has a 02' gt with et streets exhaust (after the stock ehaders) and a k&n with a best time of 13.1.

 

You guys think those gt's are so fast. Well if they are then I guess no one who buys them can drive, because I cant count the number of new style stangs (94-02) Ive punished with my lightly modded l98. I cant wait to really put a hurtin on em with the new motor in my sig..

Hey just wait till the new vettes and F-bodys come out,,, Ive heard chevys thinkin about startin it back up in 07 or so,, the body is being reveted back to look sorta like the original 69 F-bodys. Theyll prolly be stock with ls6 engines, and the vettes will have a whole new motor!!! Welll see how ford does against those cars.

 

This holds true alot of times. People buy them and cant drive and that makes the car look bad. I dont know how many times I have seen a car get beat because of the driver, like the 14 second C5 I raced last year. A well driven GT should be low 14s high 13s, and then bolt ons and tires into the low 13s. It has happened too many times to be not normal.

 

Well the 2005 mustangs aren't going to be a slouch either. Haven't you read all of the articles about the new retro Stang. The GT could have 305-400hp base and the cobra is supposed to be in the 500 range.

 

Yes I know about the new stang,, same motor as before only supercharged, probably not the most reliable or longest lasting car. Its funny ya know,, ford supercharges their new stang and is prolly gonna charge around 30- 40 g's for it, while chevys ls1 is putting out close to theirs supercharged.

My next door neibor has a 2000 firehawk and had it dynoyed, it made 356 horsepower at 5500RPM. Hes got the dynosheets and ill post them on request. A supercharged ls1 should be pulling more then 450horse. a z06 supercharded is well over 500 horse. Not to mention I think we all know who makes use of more horsepower. Fords cobra R makes close to 400 horsepower and chevys z06 makes about 400 horses as well. However the z06 will smoke a cobra R. by more then a half second. I have a video of each car in a shootout if you dont believe that either.

I think everybody knows that the lt1s and the ls1's will always rule over the stangs 4.6 or 5.0. Stock for stock or mod for mod we all know who will come out on top..

Anybody heard of joe overton,, runs in the 9's with an original lt1,, HEAVILy modded of course, and I think theyve gotten ls1's into the 8's.!!!! whens the last time that was done with a gt, without replacing the motor or original intake and etc... Do a search on joe overton on yahoo,, its no joke.

 

356 rwhp??? Is that right, wow that is almost as much as an 03 Cobra !

We know an SCed LS1 will make more power, but try over 8 psi on one and see what kind of power it makes.

As far as stock parts, do you realize how many DOHC cars with stock heads, stock cams, and stock intakes have gone 10s and 9s. Throw a Kenne Bell and supporting mods on an 03 and see the 9s come (yup stock motor, with stock internals). If you would like I could show you a few. I am not ******* LS1s or LT1s, just saying a 4.6 can do it too, just as easily.

I know the LT1 and LS1 is a better motor, they are newer, but my motor seems to outdo most if not all the L98 Fbodies I have ever seen !

 

Joe O is running an LT1 block. Punched out to 388 cubes. Its very impressive to watch run. He was just at the track with new gears, 4.30. Great photo op on the line but slowed him down. Almost lost to a TTA

http://www.ttperformance.net/slips/turbota_1041.mpeg

http://www.mrb00formula.com/joe.jpg

 

Ohh a stroker, I am talking stock cubic inches with the Mustangs I mentioned!

 

Really?? Can you please post the times, Names of the people whove done it, their setups, videos, websites and their cars?? Stock cams stock heads and stock intake. Show me the money. Thats hard to believe.

 

Oh yeah and I mean NATURALLY ASPIRATED.

 

Uhh, a 03 Cobra is factory SC'ed. There are NO na STOCK motor anything running 9's that I know of, good luck finding one. All you have to do is open a MM&FF to see a 9 second 03 Cobra, 9.59@144 with all stock motor..thats heads, intake, pistons, everything. It dynoed over 800rwhp and over 1200rwt, it maxed out the dynojets torque readings! Go on over to www.svtperformance.com or www.modularfords.com and look at the times.



Ya, modded maybe. 2 of my friends have LS1's. One has a 2000 SS not much different from a Firehawk, and he dynoed 341rwhp with MAC mid lenght headers, off road y, SLP Loud Mouth catback,lid & filter, underdrive crank pulley, and all free mods.

Uh..you ever go to the track? I was beating LT1's stock and lightly modded with my GT before I even put the SC on. I ran a 13.8@100 with just exhaust and pulleys..still have stock gears even now. A stock LT1 F-body is not that impressive when a stock 87-88 LX can run a 14.0 dead stock. A kid I just out 3.55's in for has a 93 LX. He ran a 14.1@100 with h-pipe and pulleys! All stock besides that! 3.08 gears and all. A LT1 is a good race for 5.0, a LS1 is gonna beat it no doubt. My friends free modded 02 Z28 ran a 13.24@108.

 

Well, how about next time you say N/A well before you aske me to prove it. There is a whole class dedictaed to N/A small block Fords, and they are in the 9s with ease. Look for NMRA Hot Street!

 

oh boy, you've just opened up a can of worms I hang out with his brother, Tim (10 second FFW S/W car @ 310 cubic inches w/.500" lift cam), and using the term "original" lt1 is about the equivalent of dropping an atomic bomb and calling it a "small explosion." Joe seriously knows his ****, I've got a ton of respect for him, but if you want to get into the Overton boys, keep an ear open...you're going to be floored at how fast a little n/a SN95 is going to be running before long

And while we're at it, how about Mike Tymensky and his 9.6x n/a 4.6L cobra?

 

A yes Street Warrior, mid to low 10s @ 130+ with .500 lift cams and naturally aspired non strokers!

 

Don't get me wrong...Joe's car is a frickin monster. I love that thing. If I had an F-body, he'd be the one tuning it.

 

All I am going to say is 13's from a GT is very, very wishful thinking. The track champion for bracket racing last year has brought his GT out 5 times (about 25 passes), and has yet to go faster than 14.2

 

Are you serious I went 14.29 in my buddies bone stock '00 GT the very first time I ever even sat behind the wheel of one. He was running consistent 13.9's in it and wouldn't let me take it out again because he was afraid that after a few passes I'd blow his times away Hell, my dad's '01 GT went 14.23 bone stock with an auto.

 

YES GTS ARE BADASS,, Im trading my iroc in immieditilty for a new gt!!!!! 15's here i come!!!

:hail:94-00 GT's:

 

first you get mad about how some people are saying the newer GTs are slow because theyve seen a few crappy drivers run them at the track. now youre committing the same crime about LT1 fbodies. just cause you raced a few badly driven LT1s youve suddenly labeled them "slow"

food for thought. you were only running a 13.8 and say lightly modded LT1s were easy prey huh? if you wouldve lined up against my girlfriends 94 Formula with only cold air and a catback, you wouldve eaten those words. consistant 13.6s at 101mph. and thats with her driving

the moral? dont judge a car by just what YOUVE seen. that goes for Mustangs as well as Fbodies

 

A 1994-1998 GT should be a high 14 second car, and a 99 and 00 GT should be a low 14 to high 13s car. I should buy one and prove my point, run 13s, and then sell it!

 

Quoted for posterity.

 

LOL no kidding.

 

Leave that one up to me, but I'm not selling it after that

 

I know they are not all like that, I have seen some good times in mags and on the net for them. All I'm saying is that they are not much faster if at all then a older 5.0 . Everyone thinks that more cubic inches means that it is faster. Not the way it works.

 

wow yea lt1s are consistently faster then the foxbodies by usually about 1/2 a for that matter so yea cubes and technology do mean something

 

Is it just me or does just about every thread that someone says the word "mustang", get's jumped on by 3 mustang owners and the thread goes crazy.

 

The only LT1 car I've ever ridden in was stock and felt a lot faster than any near stock 5.0 I've ever been in.

 

The reason there on here is whenever someone says " I beat a mustang" then they come on and tell everyone that your lucky to win, and that theyve seen another stang with just pulleys that ran a 12.0n that could beat you. Or theyll say "watch out, those 5.0s are dangerous with gears".,, then proceed to tell us another story about how they know jacks, brothers, cousins, uncle's grandpas, Grandpa, has a similar stang that is running fast and would beat you. In there eyes there helping the thirdgen community out by telling everyone how "ultra fast" all the mustangs are and how "ultrra slow" the f-bodys are. Like when I said mod for mod, an lt1 , or ls1 against the 4.6 or 5.0 we all know who comes out on top. this is the response i get.

[QUOTE] Originally posted by 25thmustang
As far as stock parts, do you realize how many DOHC cars with stock heads, stock cams, and stock intakes have gone 10s and 9s. Throw a Kenne Bell and supporting mods on an 03 and see the 9s come (yup stock motor, with stock internals). If you would like I could show you a few. I am not ******* LS1s or LT1s, just saying a 4.6 can do it too, just as easily.

I know the LT1 and LS1 is a better motor, they are newer, but my motor seems to outdo most if not all the L98 Fbodies I have ever seen [/QUOTE




He telll us here that NA 4.6's are running 9's with a stock cam, stock heads, and intake. thanks man

then he says he can beat any l98 with his 13 second car. why dont you go talk to traxion, 1bad91z, theyll give you a lesson on the l98, and all youll see is tailights. And thats just a couple that i know of. There are tons of Extremly fast l98's on this board.

Im sorry to have to post this but its F***N true. We dont need to hear how fast all the mustangs are and how slow the f-bodys are. This is a CAMARO/FIREBIRD SITE. IF you want to talk trash all day then find a stang site.:

IT should have been said earlier-----------

:hail: F-BODYS

STANG GUYS


If your going to participate on thirdgen.org, then at least provide some useful information, and not just trash, and starting flame wars. Im sure Ill get flamed for this but its worth saying, and should be said.

IROCZMAN380


PS: Why dont you guys come to thirdgen Nationals 04, and find out how fast your cars Really are.

 

lol that has got to be the biggest reply to the shortest reply I've ever seen.

And I agree iroczman.

 

I don't see them bashing the F-Body. Face it, 5.0 Mustangs owned the 3rd gen F-Body. I saw it then and still see it now for the most part.

No need to get egos in the way of facts.

Traxion's car, although nice, is far from stock.

If you ever get out to the track and actually watch what other cars are doing, you'd see that new Cobra's do run pretty good. We have a few around here with pulley, exhaust, and tires running in the 11's. That's pretty impressive if you ask me. You have to know how to drive, its plain and simple.

I guess when you see Vipers at the track running 14's, they all run that slow?

Face it, there are NO 9 second N/A LT1's out there. Joe O's car started as a LT1 and still is block wise. Fastest bolt on, no internal mods, LT1 is 12.0. Saw it a couple weekends ago along with Joe O's car.

 

Thank you, and he also never stated NA till after I posted that and then I admitted no they cant do it NA (although a few have). I also stated the LT1s and LS1s are better..

I would be glad to race a bolt on L98 Fbody (actually I want to race tpivette heads up for some fun), I will be at the track this weekend (Englishtown) just look for the white fox running high 12s in Factory Stock.

I respect all cars, but when giving info out on a Mustang I am going to give you the fastest time it could run. Whys that... because then you dont underestimate the car. I have seen soo many people lose underestimating cars, and if I tell you it will go 14s, and it goes 13.3s you are going to be pissed that we said that! Hell I bet if I listed my mods and asked what you think I should run you would have said maybe crack high 13s.

 

[QUOTE]Originally posted by iroczman380
The reason there on here is whenever someone says " I beat a mustang" then they come on and tell everyone that your lucky to win, and that theyve seen another stang with just pulleys that ran a 12.0n that could beat you. Or theyll say "watch out, those 5.0s are dangerous with gears".,, then proceed to tell us another story about how they know jacks, brothers, cousins, uncle's grandpas, Grandpa, has a similar stang that is running fast and would beat you. In there eyes there helping the thirdgen community out by telling everyone how "ultra fast" all the mustangs are and how "ultrra slow" the f-bodys are. Like when I said mod for mod, an lt1 , or ls1 against the 4.6 or 5.0 we all know who comes out on top. this is the response i get.

Quote:

Originally posted by 25thmustang
As far as stock parts, do you realize how many DOHC cars with stock heads, stock cams, and stock intakes have gone 10s and 9s. Throw a Kenne Bell and supporting mods on an 03 and see the 9s come (yup stock motor, with stock internals). If you would like I could show you a few. I am not ******* LS1s or LT1s, just saying a 4.6 can do it too, just as easily.

I know the LT1 and LS1 is a better motor, they are newer, but my motor seems to outdo most if not all the L98 Fbodies I have ever seen [/QUOTE




He telll us here that NA 4.6's are running 9's with a stock cam, stock heads, and intake. thanks man

then he says he can beat any l98 with his 13 second car. why dont you go talk to traxion, 1bad91z, theyll give you a lesson on the l98, and all youll see is tailights. And thats just a couple that i know of. There are tons of Extremly fast l98's on this board.

Im sorry to have to post this but its F***N true. We dont need to hear how fast all the mustangs are and how slow the f-bodys are. This is a CAMARO/FIREBIRD SITE. IF you want to talk trash all day then find a stang site.:

IT should have been said earlier-----------

:hail: F-BODYS

STANG GUYS


If your going to participate on thirdgen.org, then at least provide some useful information, and not just trash, and starting flame wars. Im sure Ill get flamed for this but its worth saying, and should be said.

IROCZMAN380


PS: Why dont you guys come to thirdgen Nationals 04, and find out how fast your cars Really are.

Although I feel some of them dont mean to do it, that is about all I see on the theoretical and street racing board.

 

Take your ET streets off and see what you run

 

5.0 mustangs did not own the F-body. If you ask anyone who grew up in that era, it was competitive between 5.0 LX and GT's and 5.7 L98 and some LB9 cars (which weigh several 100 pounds more than a typical fox body). The fact is that I think a lot more mustang owners care about drag racing than thirdgenners do. If more thirdgenners would invest in real mods like stall converters and sticky tires, there would be a lot of fast L98 cars running around.

 

No problem, I would guess in the mid 13s @ 105 or so judging from racing my friends Mach 1 (he did a 13.5 @ 105) and we were nose and nose!

I agree the thirdgens are more oriented towards road racing and fox bodies towards drag racing, but we are discussing drag racing, and that obviousely means the Mustang had the advantage somewhere to make it the better car to chose!

I just look at the fact they have a couple of racing series dedicated to the late Model Mustangs (NMRA, FFW, MHRA) and I have never seen one for late model Fbodies.

 

Well around here they did. For the most part, only GN's would stay out in front.

I agree, nobody bought a Mustang to stop or corner They were straight liners only, just like a GN. I had a 84 Z28 and 87 GN back then. I beat most but didn't win them all. They were a fast bunch, especially the ones that knew how to drive.

Then they would follow the "Mean Mr. Mustang" build up that was in the magazine, I wanna say Turbo but can't remember. Yes Turbo Mag used to be a nice magazine back then! Then they were running low 12's on M&H tires, aka drag radials but weren't.

The F-Body had it all over just about every car for all around performance. You just couldn't beat it with handling, braking, and even gas mileage. That's why I have owned an F-Body ever since.

 

Go run your car on radials and video tape it.

 

Why, noone believed me when I taped my 13.0 run, and it got deleted. I cant post vids of Mustangs on here apparently, and either way I would have 10 ppl jump on me about how it is BS. Plus why would I waste a run on street tires, and for the record not only are ET Streets street tires, but I run them on the street quite often! Next summer I may be getting some Drag radials on my stock rims and should be a high 12 second everyday car with stock heads, and cam!

 

I do that quite regularly on fri/sat nights

 

Hay guys? This is thirdgen.org. It is a Third generation Camaro and Firebird technical site. As stated in the rules sticky at the top of the board you are welcome to post videos of third gen camaros or firebirds that are street racing related on this board. That means No threads that begin as Mustang Drag Strip Videos. Maybe they'd let that slide in the Drag Racing forum? Who knows. That's where your thread was moved to anyway, unless it was a different thread you were talking about in which case your guess is as good as mine.
The last couple days it has been brought to my attention that I have somehow been lax at enforcing my no flames no arguments rule that is posted in the rules sticky. If in the future any of you have any problem with another member before flaming them bring it to me. Several of you have done as much already and I have taken care of it, so if any of you have any further issues please private message me.
That said, bring this thread back on topic. STREET racing.

 

I have a video of my car on street tires spinning through 1st and 2nd..running a 13.83@100 with just exhaust and pulleys that I had then. Be glad to link to it if you want.

 

Just for comparison sake, my car weighs 3440lbs vs. my friends 2000 SS that weighs 3565 and has every option. Not all the fox body's are light. I wish mine was, I'd be running better than i do now! I would say that it is true that a L98 TPI vs. a stock 5.0 is good race, my friend says he never lost a 5.0 that was stock with is 90 L98, but I beat every f-body I raced with my dead stock 88 LX stripper. That weighed about 250+ lbs less than my GT though.