My friend has a 00 GT with intake, exhaust, H-pipe, Magna flow catback and a port and polish job. It's a five speed with stock rears and a fake saleen body kit. His car had a faulty injector and he ran a 14.7. Since then he has gotten the problem fixed and he thinks that he can go deep into the 13's. Were all going to the track in about 2 hours and he wants to run the IROC. I know that I have more horsepower than he does, but my car is a little slow off the line with 224 degrees of intake duration and only a 2100 stall. I get almost no wheel spin. Think hi it will hang with the IROC??

 

no he has a slow ford :hail: chevy

 

If you are fully tuned than I would say it will be really close. Those fords the get off of the line really well but suffer up top.

 

I think youd probly get him, I just wouldnt put any $ on it, gonna be close

 

What did he port and polish, the intake or heads? I don't know all that much about the new 4.6s but I do know that they're heads are pretty damned good right off of the factory line, so unless he went aftermarket, I don't think he picked up much for his buck, there.

Chris

 

I had a friend go 13.6x with those same mods minus the head work. Not sure how much extra power he'd be looking at with the ported heads though.

 

It should be pretty even. Mustang's run mid 13's with a good driver with the later GT's.

Good luck.

 

Really?? I thought the '99-03 GT's ran high 13's-low 14's stock. Damn, mid 13's from a stock GT is LS1 territory.

 

I have seen two mid 13s and both were from the same owner in two different cars. he went 13.6 and then sold it and went 13.7 in a newer GT! Other than that 13.8-14.0 have been the fastest stockers I have seen or even heard of.

 

It will be a damn good run. Depends on how well he can drive.

 

25thmustang is right i have been to the track and the stock or slightly modified newer mustangs only run high 13s like 13.7-13.8

 

new gts are not in ls1 territory more like lt1 territory they are usually around 14.1- 14.3 occasionally they dip into 13s but not usually just like lt1s as for your race i got no idea let us know how it turns out

 

i have to agree with jbonz28 they are not in ls1 terrritory they are very close to lt1s maybe a little faster than lt1s but thats it a vette or any other ls1 will smoke even a moded new gt not to mention i was just at englishtown 3 weeks ago and 3 different new gts blew up those engines are total **** from what i see i saw ls1 running all day with no problems.

 

when i run one in my lt1 i'll tell ya how close they are but i never seem to run into any that want to run but yea i wanna run that a 350z and maybe an evo from a 30 but i have yet to run into any one the road there is a kid that works at pizza shop near my job that just got an evo i wanna run him so bad but i may wait to get headers give me a nice little advantage

 

I've seen two GT's run 13.6. One only had 80 miles and paper tags. The other one had some miles on it but also ran 13.6.

If you know how to launch and shift one, they will run the number.

I ran 13.50 stock in my 96 WS6 Formula. I know of a couple people that ran 12.9 with a stock LS1. Its just the way you drive it to get the times.

 

Oh of all people here, I believe you the most. I have seen some fast cars just 99% of Mustangs wont run that, from what I have seen!

 

Attention! I will be attempting to run 13.2 with my stock '93 Mercury Topaz grocery getter this weekend at the track! I will attempt this under the "It's just the way you drive it" theory.

 

i have to agree you arent going to be a 1/2 second better because you drive better unless you are a total idiot i can see a couple of tenths but not much more than that a car is gonna run if its fast and if its slow its gonna run slow.

 

I disagree 100%. I have seen C5 Vettes go 14.8s, and tell me I couldn't run a 14.3 with that car ! I think the driver can make a night and day difference in any car! If you dont think so, lets have a thirdgen meet, and we can see what the good drivers run compared to the bad!

 

well i think its like this i have seen irocs run 14s stock and i have seen the same car same engine go 15s its not the car though its just one was slower than the other all cars are not made the same thats all.

 

I forgot to tell everyone that our drag strip is at about 5-6 thousand feet above sea level. We saw C5's w/6 speed's doing 14.5 at 95 mph and a Z06 do 13.6. LT1's with intake and exhaust were only hitting mid 15's both 6 speed and auto. I'm guessing that at sea level we would be a whole second faster.
Heres what happened...Turns out my friend with the 00 stang has rear gears and he "forgot" to tell me before we ran, like 3.73's I think. He made a run and claims that he has no traction but I think he got off the line pretty good...15.12 at 91 mph. I got worried after seeing him beat a 96 Z w/kn intake and borla exhaust. Next I ran mine and even with 255 60's it turns out my car is more of a beast than I give it credit for because it was hopping like a jackhammer off the line and to my suprise I ran 15 flat at 92.3 mph. After he saw that he thought it would be a good race so we agreed to race. My car was vapor locking half ways down the track because of my un-coated hookers an openelement and the fact that I ran straight from driving 50 miles so we let our cars cool. I then pulled my secret weapon, I guess, which I like to call hood insulation. I isolated the air cleaner from the engine and stuck it into the cowl on my hood. I also bumped the timing a couple degrees because of the elevation.
You guys should have seen the look on his face when I pulled through the traps first by about 2-3 car-lengths, he was just smiling and just saying "no-way man what did you do".

90 Iroc 14.6@94mph
00 GT 15.06@91.6mph

 

Its how you shift. I never lifted when shifting. Same car, same 60', different drivers. I have gotten up to .5 second better times when tossed the keys.

Drive it like you stole it

 

well i guess some people dont agree with me theirs so many things that come into play traction take off shifting i guess you could do .5 second better than the next guy who knows its a good dabate though.

 

Eaxactly. If you lift and shift, and the next guy doesnt, that is a huge difference. I have seen people see a full .3-.5 from just powershifting. Then you factor in a better launch and that is an easy .5 right there! Right foot to the fkoor and never look back!

 

It's going to be close.....real close...

 

I cant believe all of you thought that gt would win. Did you even look at gazglzr mods?? Vortec heads, cam, headers, exhaust, intake??? that was enough for me.The gt was nearly stock ecxept for the gears mainly. I have a next door neibor who owns a 2000 firehawk ls1 and raced a heavily modded gt. Headers, intake, catback, cai, and all the other mustang mods and berly ran a 13.8. While the stock ls1 was running mid to low 13's all day. Id say a stock gt is a high 14 second to low 15 second car. And if its a auto, well he miswell not even bother going to the track cause ford still hasnt figured out how to make an automatic. Im not sure about the "new" gt's 4.6's but i know all the way up till around 99 or so they were not fast at all. I took quite a few with my lightly modded l98. For all you doubters heres car and drivers results:

Heres a 95 gt with a 302, with headers, exhaust, catback, pro 5.0 shifter, few other things, heres his times../31/97 @ 13:52 2.201

Sec. 14.844 @ 84.73 14.93 @ 98.6
5/31/97 @ 14:18 2.370 Sec. 15.002 @ 84.11 N/A
5/31/97 @ 14:58 2.442 Sec. 15.182 @ 83.23 15.18 @ 98.5
5/31/97 @ 16:25 2.530 Sec. 15.370 @ 95.84 15.47 @ 98.9
5/31/97 @ 16:32 2.333 Sec. 15.017 @ 83.70 15.22 @ 98.5
5/31/97 @ 17:15 2.336 Sec. 14.853 @ 95.88 14.98 @ 99.6

Heres another::14.549@96.72 Late 90 Mustang GT .441 YES

08.16.00 .761 2.630 6.232 9.388 78.12 12.072 14.332 99.83 '96
Mustang Cobra .709 no

08.16.00 .804 2.181 6.040 9.220 77.41 11.933 14.217 98.87 '96 Mustang Cobra .773 no


14.3/97.8----2000 Gt lightly modded.

If your really into mustangs, then get a pre 1993, because all of the new ones are slow. Even the 390 horse bs cobra R only runs like a 13.5 I think, which still wont even beat an ls1, so.
A modded up 5.0 can turn so good times, however new stangs are just dogs, I dont care what anyone says, Ive seen to many running in the 15's and higher, and have raced to many. My l98 eats the stock ones all day long, so I have no idea why a heavily modded one wouldnt either.

Bottom line a new gt averaged out is a mid 14 second car at best. Go with a 5.0 there lighter and respond WAY better to mods then any new mustang.

iroczman380

 

Here i found the site the video's on a cobra r shootout vs z06 vs viper, go here and scroll to the bottom of the page until you see a picture of a red mustang fromt. Then click the picture and it takes you to the video....13.4 for the cobra R and it costs almost 60,000 dollars!!!




http://www.zo6vette.com/media.php

 

i was just looking in my freinds chilton book and what a joke the cobra between 94-98 only had 225hp the stock stang had 200hp my 1989gta has 225 stock those new stangs are a joke i was even reading a article in 5.0 mag and it had a test bullit stang 260hp wow lol they had a side bar with a LS1 ss camaro and it said something about how fast the camaro was 12.9 and how far mustang needs to go to catchup they where carcking on their own cars then they said well we dont want you to unsubscribe to our mag or anything lmao what a joke now i hear the cobra R going 13.4 o my thats terrible for 60,000 my car could run 8s for 60,000 i could build a funny car lmao i cant write anymore im laughing to hard.

 

In that video clip, the ET's shown are a bit misleading. The Cobra ran 13.4 @ 116 MPH! Throw a set of sticky tires on it and it would be well into the 12's. Same goes for the Z06 - 13.0 @ 116 MPH. The Viper would be in the 11's with some good tires.

 

Ok, to begin anyone that uses C&D or MT times to juegde a car has no clue. C&D and MT set their tests up not to get the best perormance, but to get the most consistency. When they have an AWD they launch off idle. They have to make the comparison fair, and dont drive the cars to their potential. I bet any money most people on this board can outdrive the MT or C&Ds times for the cars.

Now that that is said, the new GT should not be a high 14 second car. I have seen too many mid 14s from ok drivers, and low 14s to high 13s from good drivers, to agree there. Sure a bad driver can get it into the 15s (like the 14 second C5 I saw) but your average driver should go mid to low 14s.

I didnt see the video, but if the car went 116 then there you go.

 

Tch, 13.4 at 116 and 13.0 at 116, I'd love to see the 60' on those runs. Probably like 2.8's or something. Those look like Supra times!

My buddies '00 GT automatic went 14.3 at 96 bone stock. Now he's in the low 13's with bolt-ons and gears.

1987gt, '94-'95 Cobra's were rated at 240hp which is a little underrated. '96-'98 were rated at 305hp.

 

I would not take the new stangs to lightly. Sure the 96-98 models were atrotious and were in TBI territory but the newer GT's can clock off high 13's with the right driver. Throw a few mods on there and that is high 13's consistantly. I don't even like ford but I would never be that confident in beating a car that can run those times. Don't forget about the Mach 1 that would most likely beat any mild "350 thirdgen," and the cobra which is an absolute monster. Under a grand in mods nets 450-500rwhp on those things.

 

Yes the Machs in our club are 13.20 (MRT H-pipe, and Magnaflow catback), 13.05 (4.10s, catback, DRs), and 12.95 (DRs, catback, filter, and myabe an H-pipe). These cars are pretty fast, and the 03 Cobras are even faster.

 

well according to the book the 94-98 cobras only had 225hp and the stock gt 200 until 99 so i didnt see anything about 305hp thats chilton though i guess they could be wrong who knows.i know one thing when i was at englishtown a few weeks ago the only cars i saw blowing their engines was the 4.6 3 of them to be exact not to durable like the old 5.0 engines they where very good engines i must say i have owned 3 of them.

 

82- 157hp
83-84 175hp
85 205hp
86 200hp
87-92 225hp

93 and later have "revised" ratings (93 makes just as much power as a 92)

93 lx/gt 205hp
93 Cobra 235hp
94-95 GT 215hp
94-95 Cobra 240hp
96-97 GT 215hp
98 GT 225hp
96-98 Cobra 305hp
99-03GT 260hp
99-01 Cobra 320hp


These are most of the ratings...all Ford ratings. They went under rated somewhat from 93 on.

 

i can tell you right now that the 93 mustang only had 210 not 225hp. unless the book is wrong thats what it said it sais 94-98 gt had 200hp and the 94-98 cobra had 225hp but i guess chilton had been wrong before.

 

The newer style ones are no joke. My friend only had a CAI on his 02 GT (5-speed) and bested a 13.8@98.

Of course, he has no 3rd gear anymore.

I would be scared to see what my brother's 03 GT with slight mods will do.

 

Sec. 14.844 @ 84.73 14.93 @ 98.6
5/31/97 @ 14:18 2.370 Sec. 15.002 @ 84.11 N/A
5/31/97 @ 14:58 2.442 Sec. 15.182 @ 83.23 15.18 @ 98.5
5/31/97 @ 16:25 2.530 Sec. 15.370 @ 95.84 15.47 @ 98.9
5/31/97 @ 16:32 2.333 Sec. 15.017 @ 83.70 15.22 @ 98.5
5/31/97 @ 17:15 2.336 Sec. 14.853 @ 95.88 14.98 @ 99.6


These times are more like it although sometimes I might see one that breaks into the 13's with those mods BUT not often. Also 2 of my friends had 98's one was a stick and the other was auto and the guy with the auto never baselined it totally stock so he wound up putting exhaust 3.73's and slicks and only went 14.9 @98. While the dude with the stick went bone stock with street tires @ 15.1 @ 97 if I remember correctly he never made it to the 13's with bolt-ons only with nos.

 

well i beg to differ the new stangs are a joke they may run 13.8 on a good pass but then the engine will just blow anyway i just saw 3 of them blow at englishtown the 4.6 is a piece of ****.

 

I know the car, and seen the slip. They dont lie. Of course, in florida we are at sea level. Also, 98 =/= 99+ Which I beleve have better cams, heads, and fuel injection tuning.

The *** dyno said his car, and my brother's car are severely faster than any car I have personally rode in. Of course, I dont get very many chances to ride in fast cars.

 

The book is WRONG. The above rating I posted are the correct ones.

 

A guy I know has a 2000 GT 5 spd. Best ET stock: 13.76@100. He now has 3.90 gears, catback, h-pipe, tb, cold air, and ET Streets. His best ET is a 12.8@104 now I believe with skinnies also. Noty too shabby for a dead stock 4.6, even stock manifolds!

 

Whoever was driving thsoe cars should be throw out of the drive seat! My friend has a 95 GT 5.0 with full exhaust, gears, MAF, and ET Streets and ran 13.5@102 with it. All stock 100,000+ mile motor. I have seen (2) 99 up GT's that were stock run high 13's and most are in the 14.1-14.2 range. A stock auto GT is like a 14.4, from seeing one at the track. Check my other post for a guy I knows 200 GT times. They move pretty good. I still like my 5.0 though.

 

 

An SN-95 with a 5.0 is a high 14 second car to low 15 second car bone stock, same with the 98 GTs, but the 96-97 GTs were low 15s or so. With mods they should be solid mid 14s and then 13s should be pretty easy (much easier with a 5.0).

 

Well, I can post the time slip for the 95 if you want..I have it right here. The 96-98 are not quite as fast but there are alot that run in the high 14's dead stock. Driver has ALOT to do with it. I've seen a modded ZO6 run a 13.2 before...

 

Half of what makes this board so great is the enormous number of ignorant ****s spouting off at the mouth about stuff they have no clue about.

Carry on.

 

Was that directed towards me, cause if so I most certainly have a clue! I have alot of friends with both brands and I know exactly what they have done and how fast they gone so ZIP it!!!

 

It was a general analysis of what I've read, not directed towards any one particular person.

If you were offended, then maybe you needed to be offended.

 

dude i dont know who you are talking too here but i know what im talking about first of all i take my info from the track i have been there 5 times this year and every time i see 4.6s blow up and they only run high 13s with minor mods now that what i saw i dont knopw what anyone else saw or knows.well back to the ? in the post if your friend has the mods you say he should be in the mid to low 13s so i dont think you will touch him thats my opinion.