Race Challenges...and its not even on the road yet!
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Car: 1988 Pontiac Trans Am
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Race Challenges...and its not even on the road yet!
Well...I tried to keep my car a secret from the locals...however it was a failed task.
Aparently one of the local import modders saw me driving it home from the garage where it got the safety done and confronted me asking me about it. I denied having it at first however he then went to my brother who blurted out everything about it. Reason I was keeping it a secret is because this town is seriously over ran by imports. Some are well done as in they look good and have great "go fast" parts...but others are your typical uncle bens minute burner...all show, no go. Well lately I have been getting smacked on MSN with people challengin my T/A to races. The cars they are sporting at Dodge Neons, Chevy Crapaliers, Pontiac Sunchickens, Honda Civics. I know thse people and what they have under their hoods and not a single one of these boys have anythign but stock engines. If anythign the exterior mods are adding more weight which would hinder the performance rather then increase it.
Now your probably thinking "WTF d00d...just waste the dorks and let them taste the raw power of american muscle" however thats wasn't my intent when I bought this car. I wanted this specific car for one reason...Knight Rider. Loved the show since I was 4 years old and always vowed that one day I would have a 3rd gen Trans Am. Now that I got my T/A I want to baby it and take damn good care of it.
I just don't get why these guys want to race me so bad. I am more then certain my Stock L03 would BBQ their i4's into next summers gas grille so what makes them want to lose so bad. Well who knows...maybe this summer I will have a few killz to talk about, and hey...maybe I might have underestimated their cars and might get some *** handed back my way...ya never know.
Just thought I would share this with you all, its my first time ever owning a sports car...I am sure all of you probably got the same response the day you first encountered some 2F2F fan in their modded out grocery getter.
Peace all
Aparently one of the local import modders saw me driving it home from the garage where it got the safety done and confronted me asking me about it. I denied having it at first however he then went to my brother who blurted out everything about it. Reason I was keeping it a secret is because this town is seriously over ran by imports. Some are well done as in they look good and have great "go fast" parts...but others are your typical uncle bens minute burner...all show, no go. Well lately I have been getting smacked on MSN with people challengin my T/A to races. The cars they are sporting at Dodge Neons, Chevy Crapaliers, Pontiac Sunchickens, Honda Civics. I know thse people and what they have under their hoods and not a single one of these boys have anythign but stock engines. If anythign the exterior mods are adding more weight which would hinder the performance rather then increase it.
Now your probably thinking "WTF d00d...just waste the dorks and let them taste the raw power of american muscle" however thats wasn't my intent when I bought this car. I wanted this specific car for one reason...Knight Rider. Loved the show since I was 4 years old and always vowed that one day I would have a 3rd gen Trans Am. Now that I got my T/A I want to baby it and take damn good care of it.
I just don't get why these guys want to race me so bad. I am more then certain my Stock L03 would BBQ their i4's into next summers gas grille so what makes them want to lose so bad. Well who knows...maybe this summer I will have a few killz to talk about, and hey...maybe I might have underestimated their cars and might get some *** handed back my way...ya never know.
Just thought I would share this with you all, its my first time ever owning a sports car...I am sure all of you probably got the same response the day you first encountered some 2F2F fan in their modded out grocery getter.
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Be carefull. The LO3 isn't a threat anymore to any newer stock import. If and when you do race take them from a stop. The LO3 is that bad and that is ablout the only chance you have stock for stock. Now after a few mods you will fare better but you will look much superior if you go from a stop. A buddy of mine lost to a practically stock civic from a 55 roll by a car length. However you can make your LO3 fun and thats what is more important.
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I imagine he could roll all over them.
Unless that civic, or sunfire, or cavy has a turbo......I don't care how "new" it is. In a drag race, V8 is king. Don't forget how expensive it is to modify a Four banger. I had a guy tell me that crap "newer four bangers are faster...." Skrew VTEC, the only TEC that scares me is a TEC-9. If you get beat, do what they do, go grab you a nitrous set-up or a turbo (They do make some REAL good blowers for V8's....)
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I would have to agree with capone. I have a L98 and some of the damn four bangers have some get up and go. I have had a few races here in santa fe...and unfortunatly i think I have lost more than I won. Carful with integras. I can barely bet them...civics, cavs, and sunfires though, I think you do just fine. YOu just gotta watch out for the preludes, integras, and a few others. And I dont know about they people where you are at, but alot here like to keep their mods on the hush hush... either way, just have fun (win or lose) and be careful.
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Re: I imagine he could roll all over them.
Originally posted by FbodTrek
Unless that civic, or sunfire, or cavy has a turbo......I don't care how "new" it is. In a drag race, V8 is king. Don't forget how expensive it is to modify a Four banger. I had a guy tell me that crap "newer four bangers are faster...." Skrew VTEC, the only TEC that scares me is a TEC-9. If you get beat, do what they do, go grab you a nitrous set-up or a turbo (They do make some REAL good blowers for V8's....)
Unless that civic, or sunfire, or cavy has a turbo......I don't care how "new" it is. In a drag race, V8 is king. Don't forget how expensive it is to modify a Four banger. I had a guy tell me that crap "newer four bangers are faster...." Skrew VTEC, the only TEC that scares me is a TEC-9. If you get beat, do what they do, go grab you a nitrous set-up or a turbo (They do make some REAL good blowers for V8's....)
You've got alot to learn..how old are you 17? You're not making things look so good for your fellow thirdgenners. Supreme Member
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I've seen some mighty quick I4's here, probably real good on gas, too, which would be nice...
But I can't see any of them lauching hard from a stop, they always rev waaaaay up and dump their clutch (or heveans, their automatic) at like, 4000+ RPM and sound like so many angry bumble bees. Very little tire spin, but they just don't scoot from a stop as much as ours do. Have fun, cruise your car around, and act nice and mature. Hey, who knows, maybe someone will like your car and get one of their own to match...!
But I can't see any of them lauching hard from a stop, they always rev waaaaay up and dump their clutch (or heveans, their automatic) at like, 4000+ RPM and sound like so many angry bumble bees. Very little tire spin, but they just don't scoot from a stop as much as ours do. Have fun, cruise your car around, and act nice and mature. Hey, who knows, maybe someone will like your car and get one of their own to match...! Supreme Member
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Re: I imagine he could roll all over them.
Originally posted by FbodTrek
Unless that civic, or sunfire, or cavy has a turbo......I don't care how "new" it is. In a drag race, V8 is king. Don't forget how expensive it is to modify a Four banger. I had a guy tell me that crap "newer four bangers are faster...." Skrew VTEC, the only TEC that scares me is a TEC-9. If you get beat, do what they do, go grab you a nitrous set-up or a turbo (They do make some REAL good blowers for V8's....)
Unless that civic, or sunfire, or cavy has a turbo......I don't care how "new" it is. In a drag race, V8 is king. Don't forget how expensive it is to modify a Four banger. I had a guy tell me that crap "newer four bangers are faster...." Skrew VTEC, the only TEC that scares me is a TEC-9. If you get beat, do what they do, go grab you a nitrous set-up or a turbo (They do make some REAL good blowers for V8's....)
oh and V8 is king? Wanna put $$ on that?

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From: Houston
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To the dude with the subaru....
I'm sorry you feel offended by my anti-4 clinder views. And no, I'm not 17, I'm 20, I've worked as a full time mechanic for over a year (a tech). I am fully aware that some of the 4 cylinder motors are pretty powerful (the shop I work in specializes in Acura/Honda). Thing is, the ones I see around MY area aren't fast. A civic without a turbo=slow. I find those type of cars ugly. It's a personal preference issue. I dunno how old you are, or how you came to own your subaru, but I do know they aren't cheap. I've driven a WRX, they are fast, but I don't care for the car thats all. I ain't gonna post-war you dude. I like American cars, I am offended when an American supports a foreign economy I suppose, lol
. You don't need to insult ME. I've done more work on more varied types of cars than you can imagine, Stock models and hotrods. I've been fixing crap since I was old enough to turn a wrench (I didn't have a choice, my father is a slave driver.). Enjoy what you got is my philosophy. There is always someone with something faster, but I gaurantee they paid for it.
. You don't need to insult ME. I've done more work on more varied types of cars than you can imagine, Stock models and hotrods. I've been fixing crap since I was old enough to turn a wrench (I didn't have a choice, my father is a slave driver.). Enjoy what you got is my philosophy. There is always someone with something faster, but I gaurantee they paid for it. Supreme Member
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Oh one more thing.
I drove a Grand National, Yes the 3.8 turbo is Awesome in a drag, So is a Supra, so are a few other non-4 bangers, Flat fours make good power for their size as well. I see VERY few four cylinder cars that can take down a good V8. And i actually like the Acuras, but front wheel drive is no fun to drive buddy. But, a fart can is noise pollution, wings on front wheel drive cars are Ignorant. Kids who drive F&F to look cool get beat down in parking lots. I give respect to the four banger that someone tuned themselves. I ain't got no love for a kid rolling around in a Trans- AM his daddy bought for him though, whether he kicks my *** in a drag or not. If your car is paid for raise your hand.......-raises hand- I know i'm not the only one, but I turn my own shiit, thats' what matters to car people.
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I have been workin since i could work, got me two camaros and a bunch of stuff for them...how ....with my OWN two hads...raises them. That is what matters.
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I can raise my hand somewhat......i payed for alot of it and did most of the work. My buddy also helped me out alot with it. My dad said i could get a camaro, and well i had to put mine together but i still got a camaro.
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Re: To the dude with the subaru....
Originally posted by FbodTrek
I am offended when an American supports a foreign economy
I am offended when an American supports a foreign economy
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Originally posted by Cracker
Carful with integras. I can barely beat them
Carful with integras. I can barely beat them
I sure hope those ones were modded
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Re: To the dude with the subaru....
Originally posted by FbodTrek
I'm sorry you feel offended by my anti-4 clinder views. And no, I'm not 17, I'm 20, I've worked as a full time mechanic for over a year (a tech). I am fully aware that some of the 4 cylinder motors are pretty powerful (the shop I work in specializes in Acura/Honda). Thing is, the ones I see around MY area aren't fast. A civic without a turbo=slow. I find those type of cars ugly. It's a personal preference issue. I dunno how old you are, or how you came to own your subaru, but I do know they aren't cheap. I've driven a WRX, they are fast, but I don't care for the car thats all. I ain't gonna post-war you dude. I like American cars, I am offended when an American supports a foreign economy I suppose, lol
. You don't need to insult ME. I've done more work on more varied types of cars than you can imagine, Stock models and hotrods. I've been fixing crap since I was old enough to turn a wrench (I didn't have a choice, my father is a slave driver.). Enjoy what you got is my philosophy. There is always someone with something faster, but I gaurantee they paid for it.
I'm sorry you feel offended by my anti-4 clinder views. And no, I'm not 17, I'm 20, I've worked as a full time mechanic for over a year (a tech). I am fully aware that some of the 4 cylinder motors are pretty powerful (the shop I work in specializes in Acura/Honda). Thing is, the ones I see around MY area aren't fast. A civic without a turbo=slow. I find those type of cars ugly. It's a personal preference issue. I dunno how old you are, or how you came to own your subaru, but I do know they aren't cheap. I've driven a WRX, they are fast, but I don't care for the car thats all. I ain't gonna post-war you dude. I like American cars, I am offended when an American supports a foreign economy I suppose, lol
. You don't need to insult ME. I've done more work on more varied types of cars than you can imagine, Stock models and hotrods. I've been fixing crap since I was old enough to turn a wrench (I didn't have a choice, my father is a slave driver.). Enjoy what you got is my philosophy. There is always someone with something faster, but I gaurantee they paid for it. Supreme Member
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LOL@not support America blah blah blah
where were Fbodies made after 92?
'nuff said...
Where are some GM and Fords made? Not here in the states...
That arguement holds no water nowadays unfortunately.
You were called on your comments about a V8 being king, PLEASE...LO3? LG4? ****in boat anchors and anyone that thinks they're fast needs to sell their fbody and drive a Geo....
where were Fbodies made after 92?
'nuff said...
Where are some GM and Fords made? Not here in the states...
That arguement holds no water nowadays unfortunately.
You were called on your comments about a V8 being king, PLEASE...LO3? LG4? ****in boat anchors and anyone that thinks they're fast needs to sell their fbody and drive a Geo....
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Originally posted by fly89gta
LOL@not support America blah blah blah
where were Fbodies made after 92?
'nuff said...
Where are some GM and Fords made? Not here in the states...
That arguement holds no water nowadays unfortunately.
LOL@not support America blah blah blah
where were Fbodies made after 92?
'nuff said...
Where are some GM and Fords made? Not here in the states...
That arguement holds no water nowadays unfortunately.
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Originally posted by fly89gta
LOL@not support America blah blah blah
where were Fbodies made after 92?
'nuff said...
Where are some GM and Fords made? Not here in the states...
That arguement holds no water nowadays unfortunately.
You were called on your comments about a V8 being king, PLEASE...LO3? LG4? ****in boat anchors and anyone that thinks they're fast needs to sell their fbody and drive a Geo....
LOL@not support America blah blah blah
where were Fbodies made after 92?
'nuff said...
Where are some GM and Fords made? Not here in the states...
That arguement holds no water nowadays unfortunately.
You were called on your comments about a V8 being king, PLEASE...LO3? LG4? ****in boat anchors and anyone that thinks they're fast needs to sell their fbody and drive a Geo....
Actually i couldn't have put that statement better myself.. Supreme Member
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Originally posted by ShiftyCapone
. There is no american industry to support the economy right now. This was way off 3rd gen topic but it is something that effects each of us everyday and we don't even know it. The american auto market will die if we don't support it and the future hope for another camaro could never happen. Big 3 is now the Big 2.
. There is no american industry to support the economy right now. This was way off 3rd gen topic but it is something that effects each of us everyday and we don't even know it. The american auto market will die if we don't support it and the future hope for another camaro could never happen. Big 3 is now the Big 2.
You are correct on both counts to a point, so I'm going to have to lock this argument before it happens.
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