there are a few classmates of mine that have cars that i think would be pretty good compitition for my v8 rs. i want to know if i have the fastest out of my class. my car is the 90' tbi 305 auto but its got a rebuillt tranny, headers and a complete exhaust and its also got a chip. one kid has a 2000 jetta vr6 stock, i think i can take him with out much difficulty. the other kid has a 1979 camaro 350 with a stick i think, but i know those camaros were not that fast, he might have some mods but i dont know i'll have to find out. i think he might be able to take me. what do you guys think?

 

I think the VR6 might take you. I have heard those are pretty fast cars, much faster than an average Jetta. I take it this is a High School?

 

yea high school

 

Those jettas unwind pretty fast. probably a low-15 car. If you launch well and don't slip, then You'll beat him by at least 1/2 a car. more, most likely.

and any 2nd gen Camaro will kill you.

 

wow i didnt think i was going to have a problem with the vr6 because it only has 181 ft-lbs compared to my 255 ft-lbs. BTW what do those second gen camaros run in the 1/4 mile?

 

honestly, I don't know - My best guess would be 14.5 automatic and probably lower 14's with a manual. If the kid knows how to drive, then he'd have you beat.

Do you have any mods, Like thermo, air foil, K&N filter, anything?

 

yea i think the previous owner changed the thermo. but i'm not sure what to, and it has a k&n if that helps any. if a second gen is running low 14's stock they must have been under rated in hp because i'm only seeing 175 hp for the z28 and i dont think thats good enough for low 14's or is that just me?

 

i know the second gen's had more ft-lbs. because of the 350 but still....

 

The 2nd gen late smogger Camaros would be lucky to run 15's. Those motors were absolutely pathetic. The VR6 has you beat.

 

Dude the second gen Camaros were created in the smog era even the 400's are slow do to choked emissions and peanut cams. Funny how people get these impressions of certain cars that are so off base. So if the 2nd gen is stock the 305 probably is a close race the tbi 305 is a mid to high 15 sec car with the auto in it maybe even 16. The VR6 could probably take you but all those cars (unless the 2nd gen is modded) are in the 15-16 second range.

 

Yeah looks like a few 15 and 16 sec cars here... I would say VR6!

 

keep in mind this race would be from a stop.

 

Keep in mind if you race to make sure you and your car's ready. Checking your timing, fuel pressure, and oil I think would help your car run better against the Jetta. Also, since you have the auto, maybe manually shifting it will help if it shifts early. My brother's GTA always shifts early and when he manual shifts it, the times really show a difference. Since you have the torque advantage, practicing launching may help also.

 

Sorta a tough call on the VR6, I would put the odds more in the jetta's favor though. It's a light little car. As for the second gen, if it has the pollution guts ripped out, you may have a problem, those cars aren't under the emissions inspection law anymore, they're too old. Depending on the guys gearing, How well he drives, and whether or not he has anything done to his motor. If he's a "Car guy", don't bet on his motor being stock. But, I would put the odds in your favor anyhow...... Good luck, don't spin off the line

 

Sounds like the Jetta has the race(but dont tell him that)The second gen camaro probably doesnt stand a chance. My friend had an 80 Z with cowl induction I think 190 HP. He had headers and a full exhuast, a shift kit, peformer manifold, and 3.73 gears and that thing ran low 15's. Your car is a high 15 second car in good tune so its between you and the Jetta , you never know what will happen until you race though, so go out and give him hell. Good Luck.

 

A kid I know with a 2000 vr6 ran a 15.4 with a catback exhaust.

 

The likelyhood that the 79 camaro is stock is not very much. I had a 78 z28 with the 350. With the smogger heads, a mild cam like 212 deg duration at .050 and .450 inch lift, headers and dual pipes I ran high 14s low 15s at around 92 mph. My buddy's which had the stock cam and full exhaust could run mid 15s. The exhaust was probably the biggest reason they didn't make over 200 HP. Then maybe the 8 to 1 compression ratio after that.

But that motor almost certainly has been rebuilt. And there is now way to tell what was done. Flat tops and a good cam could easily put it into the low 14s. And that wouldn't add much expense to the rebuild at all.

 

Very few 2nd gens are in stock form today. a rebuilt 350 with sbc heads, headers, exhaust, and manifold could easily run 14's.

 

If you launch well - Little or no spin. Get ALL the torque to the ground... You should take the Jetta. They wind out pretty good but from a standing start you should have the advantage. It'l be close but you should come out on top.

On the 2nd Gen. At first glance I would have to give him the a slight advantage, but that's without knowing what he's got and in what kind of shape it's in. Probably a very close race with him coming out on top.

If you haven't already done so you need to head on down to Autozone (or wherever) and pick up a K&N Filter. The better you breathe the better you will run...

 

2nd Gens were the absolute slowest Gen. If that car is still near stock you'll most likely win. You gotta remember those cars were also around 3,700-3,800lbs. I think the other car has you beat though.

 

Hey kamaroirock have you done the ultimate tbi mods yet? If I were you I would do that and get an open element filter. I know a few guys who claim a good 5 hp from this and I can personally tell you I felt the difference when I swapped my old air cleaner for an open element. Just thought id let you know, even the smallest increase in hp will help. Good Luck.

 

I wish I went to your high school The fastest cars at my school were a 12 sec Lightning, a 13 sec Probe with nitrous, and a 12 second 2000 Camaro SS. However, my friend had the 4th fastest. He's on this board, Ian F. 1976 Camaro LT 350 bored to 355, big cam, headers, full exhaust no mufflers, shiftkit, auto, 3.90 gears, performer rpm intake, 750-800 cfm carb, and a bunch of other mods, especially traction ones. He runs about a 14.7 with valve float. And about the 2nd gen Camaros, his car with exhaust and 3.90 gears with stock motor went about 16.6. The VR6 will also take you unless you stop at about 50mph. Your car is maybe in the 15s. I doubt you dropped 2 secs with the few mods you have. Christ, my car would be up there at your school kicking ****

~Matt

 

i had a 2000 VR6 jetta for a lil while.... as long as he knows how to launch, he'll be in the hunt.


i ran my jetta down the strip with luggage when i took a trip to vegas.... it ran consistant low 15s... if you put a stickier then stock tire on, it should go a lil lower....

i used to waste all kinds of 4cyls and a few RSs...... and it would whip any stock (or near stock) mustang v6 or 4thgen v6.....




now the 2nd gen... could be near stock smogger motor, but more likely, its not stock.... cars that are 30 years old rarely have the orignal engine.. so id expect his times anywhere from 18sec to 11 seconds.....

as for you, you probly run very close to 16flat if you do everythign just right... i dont know about your car exactly, but i shave .5 off the 1/4 by holding it in each gear longer and shifting it manually. id goto a track and experiment first...




btw, i had the fastest car in my high school by far... 400sbc in a 82 camaro... (used to be a indy 500 pace car edition)... ran mid 11s....

i think the next closest was a 14 second firebird.

 

the jetta has u, unless ur lucky, just race and find out

 

as far as having the fastest car at my high school i dont. i was talking more about the class in the tech school (not the whole tech school just my class) i go there after a half day of high school. maybe i'll have the fastest ride in high school by 12th grade, by then i want to have a suzuki gsx-r 600 along with a f-body. or i might stick with the car i got and put my 400 in it after it gets a rebuild. Anyway......... i will prob. race the guy with the second gen soon it might be a wile before i race the jetta, maybe by then i'll have some more mods. and no i dont have the ultimate tbi mods yet or an open element air cleaner but i am going to look into that stuff soon. i'll keep ya posted.

 

It's sad that I had the fastest car, and the ONLY car to see the track!