nevermind

 

ok the late 80s early 90s 5.0s w/5 speeds are pretty quick cars. stock brand new they have 225 hp and 300footpounds they should run high 14s. And if you factor the age of the car the drivers skill and how the car was treated the numders can range.

my parents owned a 82 capri and loved it and said it was a quick car they also owned a couple of celicas and a supra and think toyotas are the best. Right now my mom has a 2002 z28 with 27,000 miles and is starting to crap out but they haved ownd other chevys and loved them. so it really depends on what you like.

 

Damn that's slow......

My stock '88 AOD LX went 14.7 @ 93MPH Bone stock....

of course it's not stock anymore

 

AH! Short time driving! Wait until you put some mileage on it!

I stated that all domestic cars are junk! The only sports
car I like is the Camaro. 1967-1969,1985-1992, and 1998-
2002 body styles. Everything else is garbage. I don't care
what you people say. It's the truth! You WILL NOT understand
my point of view unless you work for Ford, and then go work
for Toyota or some other high quality car company. Chevy is
NO WHERE NEAR the amount of problems that Ford has!
Have you seen the news about Fords from the past 4 years?
The Focus bomb, Firestone tires, all the deaths and court
hearings from the tire recall?

Everything from the paint job to the air filter is a huge quality
difference. True about the older Toyotas (1980s/early 1990s)
about the bad metal they used. But noticed how everything
around it still runs ok, after 200,000 miles?

The worst cars to buy from Ford is the Cougar, Contour/ Mistake,
Focus and the Escort. The only decent Ford is the Crown Vic
and Taurus (2000-up only, but still has "recall syndrome").

The only thing that Ford builds ok is the heavy duty truck
line. They put more time and money into that line, than any
other! It's the truth. They have the MOST variety of trucks in the
world. I have worked for Ford for over 5 years and went to
Ford school for 2 years. Everything about Ford sucks.

 

dude you are crazy. There are other cars besides your import and camaros. Camaros are pieces of crap. They are poorly built, cheap, crap *** throw away cars. They have been for a long time. People like us like them so we put money in them and make them nice. For you to praise the camaro as the best car in the world and then knock all ford cars, it just shows your intelligence. Also, you list 2 problems with fords, the focus and the firestone tire crap. Lets see, ya ford made those tires right, thats thier fault? And as far as the focus, yeah chevy never made a lemon car huh? My brother has a 97 cavalier that is on its second motor (because of defective junk *** cam setup), has tons of problems with transmissions and brakes and just recieved his 10th recall notice the other day, those are great cars.

 

Idk I have 130,000 on the Mustang and 210,000 on the Grand Cherokee Limited and both run and drive fine! I know just as many American cars as forign cars with high mileage...

Call it what you will, I have an will probably always own a domestic vehicle, keeps Americans working, good for our economy, and like I have said, not one issue or complaint over here!

I also like how as far as quality goes you mention the Fbodies. No offense but how many third gens do you see in good condition, how many LS1s have rod knock, etc. GM and Ford are pretty equal when it comes to quality, dont be fooled, GM is in no way better!

 

I see plenty of third gens in good shape, but that has a lot to do on how well you take care of any vehicle. The same goes for stangs. I don't know about any issues with "rod knock," but you may be referring to piston slap that is somewhat common on early LS1's. My father has had an 86 chevy pickup in the family since new and to this day we still use it and it runs great. I can also say that I had an 88 Bronco II in highschool and that thing ran great after 170,000 miles too. I'de much rather own a Ford than any import, but GM will always be better in my mind.

 

win hands down. the only year that mustang took the 3rg gens stock was 1986. every other year where faster from the factory.

 

If that's what you want to beleive.....

 

HAHAHA, thats why back in 87 they were running 13.9s off the showroom floor in Thirdgens, and 12s with gears and tires, riiiighhht, anyway!!

 

well i don't believe 5.0s were running 13s factory.there are articles and 1/4 mile runs to prove that.. but they were faster and had more horsepower than most third gens especially the LO3

 

A few people did it, and I belueve it was Car Craft or something like that which had an article about it. Off the showroom it went 13.9s! I also know back in the late 80s, 3 guys, Bob Cosby and Steve Collison being two, had 3 almost identicle black notches, running 12.7, 12.8, and 12.9 all without touching the motor (suspension, tires and exhaust). It happens still today people running 12s with stock motors on, them, I have yet to see an Fbody do it (NOT saying they cant as I believe they can) but they just dont!

 

 

I would agree! Hearing a ***** coming down the road
is annoying and stupid, compared to a punk revving
his 5.0L down the road! I'd rather hear an American
V8 muscle car FAR MORE than a Honda 4 cyl. with a
5" "polished" muffler! Sounds like dying moose
or a hairdryer on steriods! It's just pointless and time
wasting to mod a Honda!

Despite my pet peeve for Fords, I would respect a Mustang
over a ***** car ANYDAY!

 

i'm not doubting that it couldn't be possible.i just haven't seen it.everything i've seen about stock 5.0s were high 14s to low 15s.this topic has been run into the ground many of times anyone who thinks that a stock LO3 would beat a stock 5.0 don't know what they are talking about.if i wouldn't of done all the mods to my car i would of gotten smoked thats for sure.by the way i put a cam, intake, tbi and some other things since then.last week i got 14.06 @ 98.i got a few bugs out so i'm going back this weekend hoping to get into the 13s.pretty good for an LO3 i think

 

I know, I have never seen a 12 out of an LS1 car stock, never seen a GN go 13s stock, never seen a LOT of stuff that happens out there. I have however seen mustangs go 13s like that and go 12s with bolt ons (see sig, lol). Thats the only reason I fight it, I have seen and done it!

 

i believe that you can mod them to run good. although aftermarket exhaust,suspension,and other bolt ons is not stock or off the showroom floor

 

Your right but they ran 13s with stock exhaust and such, 12s with aftermarket!

 

the 5.0s might run 13s with stock exhaust but there would have to be other mods somewhere for them to run 13s.a stock 5.0 (or off the showroom floor however you want to put it) does not run 13s i dont care who's driving it!

 

Its been done a few times. My friend Jeremys 88 LX hatch went 13.9 @ 100 without ever touching it. Its not the norm but it happens. This is a 3.08 geared car, with SD! There was a magazine article back in the day where they ran 13.90s with one, untouched! Hard to believe, yes, but then again so is an LS1 going 12s, and that has been done before!

 

Yup! It's true! GMHTP got a stock LS1 F body to do 12.89
in the 1/4! It's rare but stuff like that can happen. It's all
on the traction, temp., track conditions, driver, etc. Just like any
other race. One day you can do consistent 12.2s, then
all of a sudden, on an ice cold day you managed to hit
11.99, without even touching anything!

 

sorry it took me a min to post, i have been working allot heres some proof of mustang vs 3rd gen. hehehehehehehe


"If that's what you want to beleive....."

im not the one in denil.



http://www.geocities.com/Colosseum/M...7269/1986.html

this is the one year mustang is the king.


http://www.geocities.com/Colosseum/M...7269/1987.html

1987 camaro wins

http://www.geocities.com/Colosseum/M...7269/1988.html
1988 to close to call


http://www.geocities.com/Colosseum/M...7269/1989.html
camro wins ''

http://www.geocities.com/Colosseum/M...7269/1990.html
camaro wins


http://www.geocities.com/Colosseum/M...7269/1991.html
1991 camaro wins


http://www.geocities.com/Colosseum/M...7269/1992.html
camaro wins
1992


4th gen
http://www.geocities.com/Colosseum/M...7269/1995.html


http://www.geocities.com/Colosseum/M...7269/1996.html



http://www.geocities.com/Colosseum/M...7269/1997.html


sorry facts dont lie but u do hahahahahahahahahahahahaah
:lala: :lala: :lala: :lala: :lala:

 

Dear LORD! Are you brain dead?
"facts" lol!
Even your so called "facts" ( ) prove you to be wrong!

Camaro------Mustang
'86 15.4@? - ___@__ -------- ?
'87 14.88@93 - 14.17@99--- Mustang wins.
'88 14.9@95 - 14.7@94------ Mustang wins
'89 14.6@? - 14.7@?---------- Camaro wins
'90 14.46@96 -14.6@?------- Camaro wins.
'91 14.6@? - 14.6@97-------- Tie.
'92 14.6@? -14.48@93.4----- Mustang wins.

 

Anyway, if you live off what MT and C&D say, you ar in need of help. I am talking about in the REAL world, on the streets and the track. I see you have probably never been to a track in your life (or you would have a timeslip on that wicked 383 ) whereas Im there ALL the time. I see thirdgens and 5.0 Mustangs a like, and know what each runs.

Im not gonna fight because as you can well enough see I know what a Mustang will run with a few bolt ons, and know what one will run stock. I am not one who lives in magazines like C&D and MT, so unless it is a MM&FF or GMHP I dont take any of their results seriousely!

All i have to say is line me up with a bolt on thirdgen, !

 

GET UR EYES CHECKED.


camaro 1992 ^ 14.6@? mustang 1992 15.2@?
camaro wins
1988 yep the mustang one.


87 yea mustang wins.
1991 camaro wins 14.6@ vs a 15.2
yea i was off by a little.



i not downing mustangs the fastest street legel car on earth is a 80s 5.0 mustang.i saw it break the record on horse power tv.


i have raced at the track nice ammont times.
i have yet to see what this 1982 will do.

 

Get YOUR eyes checked and go look one more time.

'92 LX
14.48@93.36 ^

'91 LX
14.6@97

 

You can't really call magazine times as "facts"

The '87 and '88 Mustang are identical. It's a carry over year. Not a single change made. So why does 1 run 14.1 and the other run 14.7? Seems like a wide range to me. Perhaps driver's error? Maybe one was a notchback and one a GT.

Magazine times are basically the same as going to your local dragstrip and picking a random car and seeing what it runs. They you plaster the info in a magazine and everyone sees this and beleives ALL of these cars run that time. The thing is, who says the car was being driven to 100% of it's ability. Things like weather, skill and other factors can play a part. I've gone to the track and seen two identical same year cars run two completely different times.

 

Fellas lets just get along here, Why dont you guys meet with each other at a track and race, rather then bickering about whos car is faster then the other, Lets put it this way , a 5.0 or i should say 4.9 always crushed the 305... The 5.0 with a 5 speed Could stick with tthe 350 TPI.. If the 350 Tpi was a lil bit lighter and came in manual, it would rape the 5.0, but thats not the case, Im just saying the 5oh could stick with the 350

 

Yes a 5.0 stick could easily run with a 350 TPI car. Once the mods start the rules all change as well. All I know is I stick by what i quoted and said before, it has happened and I have seen it.

 

Yes but, let me correct you....that would be "Gorilla" rape

 

Yes a 5.0 stick could easily run with a 350 TPI car. Once the mods start the rules all change as well. All I know is I stick by what i quoted and said before, it has happened and I have seen it.


I deff agree with u 25thstang, Those 5.0 LXs are Fuggin fast with there 5 speeds! Plus yes as much as a stang hater iam... the Mustang does rule over the Camaro when it comes to aftermarket performance things and are much cheaper! For a 350 TPI all u need is exhaust, chip and coupke of bolt ons and with a VORTECH SUPERCHARGER and right there you easily almost hav 400hp with atleast easy 450 pounds of Torque My cuzins 90 IRoc had those mods and man it blew alot of cars away including 5.0s! Also ive seen 5.0s take 350s down. Ladies and Gents there both fun engines the 302 and 350! I rather perfer the 350 cuz its beefy torque and its a beast!!





LOL WHAT YOU MEAN "GORILLA" RAPE?

 

No disrespect to a 5.0 with a stick...but ya, don't go talkin' bout takin' on a healthy runnin' 350 stick. Stock for stock.....it ain't pretty. Bottom line.

P.S Bring on your silver manual 5.0's with Dech skirts and whale tail, seen many of em' go down blazin' to a factory freak 5.0 stick TPI's senseless.

 

yeah when my Cuzins 90 IROC 350 TPI had some bolt ons and he added a t5 to it, it was crazy! The t5 would ****in shake when he shifted it, the t5 couldnt even handle all that torque.. Yes a 350 tpi with a 5 or 6 speed would rape and slaughter the 5.0 with the stick.. My money is still on a helathy runnung 350 with a 700r4 over a 5.0 stick , stock vs stock

 

Listen, when I was runnin' the '87 5.0 (modded) tpi people used to tell me why GM never built a 5.7 5 ( I was givin' carbed 350's with gears a good run), because it was too powerfull. After I did my initial swap, my car was uncontrollable ( sorry I won't dosclose all my mods). That's absloutley no good for the street. There's a whole lot more involved than just doing a quick engine swap to a manual. But after getting everything right (which was a fuggin' pain in the a*s) from intake, tuning (including eprom) down to rubber, suspension (driveline) I have no problem taking on those with (apparently) twice my HP rating. I'll acknowledge I don't have the most powerfull street mchine , but that doesn't matter ( for the most part streets have their limitations too and if you think HP is all that matters on the streets you gotta be really stupid). After a sh*tload of mod's to the 350 TPI, if you don't have the right set up (especially for the street), you're gonna have alot of catching up to do. The 350 TPI is notorious for unbelievable pick-up off the line, and after I kick the jets on your a*s ( yes the 350 will run outta breath after 5500 rpm) and giving me 3rd gear + my power adder (my little secret) your a*s is mine. Have a parachute? Half the time they are posers ( it's all good in the end you got 1200 HP machine and you can hook up then you deserve the win LOL, yes but my BAER brakes work great!). But regardkess, get the combination right and you have a kick a*s machine. For a few $ I still think you can take a 350 and make it into a kick a*s machine. Hey, it's all a science, not brute calculation. Have fun. At this point, my **** (Iroc) isn't a daily driver. Bottom line. I gotta get around in the daily 4-banger,I love those poser's in their civic SI's. C'mon now.....gas is not cheap! Don't make me bring out the beast (she's resting nicely in storage, one day again in the future hopefully)! Peace and much love. Hope y'all can benefit from my trial and tribulations, maybe at least a little bit. Keepin' 3rd gens alive

P.S I will run 12's on my bad day.

Let me show you newspaper articles ( '97 - '99 ) on street racing in Toronto Canada, after all "The Fast and the Furious" movie was based on us ( can't start your car without a cop on your a*s latley). Sorry to the 427 '67 rolled over in the ditch on Continental Ave after the 1/4 mile it was a beautifull car)!!

To the 1500+ people in the Scarborough area in '98 and the '84 Malibu Big block which kicked *** ( nice cover with the tow-truck ).

Props to "Rolling Thunders'" machine shop + Fernando 327 67' Nova.

Ya'll Impots can keep driving around in circles......


Pshhhhhh Pshhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh ..............."ROCNROLL" forever (until the next fatality).

3rd Gen and GM brotherhood forever.

"It's not what you do but how you do it"

"Adrenaline is nothing until FEAR kicks in".

 

OK I have NO damn clue what you just wrote...

All I know is mt T5 has no issues running 12s. I have seen them running 9s before (yup, 9s) and im sure torque kills them, but a 9 second car has a little more torque then a 14 second car!

As for the 350, its an awesome motor, but as far as easy aftermarket mods (Im talking FI, not carbed) I think the Mustang has it hands down. Easier to make faster from my experience!

A stick TPI, bring it, I have a bolt on 5.0 gonna be 12.5s soon waiting for a bolt on, street driven TPI 305!

 

That's the problem with you d*mbass 5.0 owners. You think after a few "bolt-on's" you own the road. Kid, let me school you, bolt on's 5.0 to 5.0 I will own you. I have a 5.0 stang and Iroc, I will hand you your a*s. We won't move onto the next level. I'm going to bed I've got more importamt things to do like.....sleep! Nighty night!

 

350 5.7 all the way lol

 

:werd:

 

most mustangs are just confused ppl

 

I will be at Etown this weekend with my bolt on Mustang. Feel free to show up with the same mods as me and run me... I've got nothing to hide with my car, it is what it is and it runs what it runs. I dont see any mod lists, or timeslips from you, enlighten me, im curious as to what car you own and what it will run?

I dont think I own, the road, I wont street race, how can I own the road when I wont even prove myself on the street. I know what my car runs in the 1/4 and it runs the times I expected from it.

Im not going to fight, but show me a mod list and timeslips and I have a feeling if they are anything better than mine, you have more work and money into the car !

 

What a load of babbling bull****. Where does the "power adder" come into play?

Are you implying that your 305 is gonna take his mustang 5.0? You are the one that needs schooled.

 

it was hard for me to believe that you were getting those 1/4 mile times but after going and checking out your car and mods i would believe it now..i thought you were claiming those times with just a couple bolt ons but you actually have alot of aftermarket bolt ons and exhaust.the 3.73 gears probably help you out alot in the 1/4 mile.

 

I agree there are most if not all of the bolt ons on the car now, but its stock bottem end, stock heads (with the valves) stock cam, stock suspensioned car! I want to see how deep in the 12s these things will take me, and then Ill probably bolt an Strim on it (to run the power adder class I want) and make a run for the 10s! As of now I am just gunning for a 12.5 this weekend before I start on suspension!

Ill race a 305, no problem there, I havent seen many of them running 12s with stock stuff (I mean anything stock).

 

25thmustang you have a nice setup on your car. I have no doubt that your turning the times your claiming. I started street racing 5.0 mustangs in the late 80's so I know how much cheaper and easier it is to wake up a 5.0 stang. I used to hate mustangs for that but now I can respect it. as far as bolton 5.0 stang vs bolton 305 tpi fbody. theres no way the 5.0 fbody will beat the 5.0 stang if they have the same boltons. 5.7Fbody to 5.0 stick is where it become a tight race.

 

This has nothing to do with the thread, but I thought I'd add that your car looks EXACTLY like mine except thats its maroon

 

your formula looks nice..just like mine but without the 350....

 

i just check out your car page.sweet car..i have a friend that has a grand prix just like yours but different color.he just put a 400 in it.it's running low 12s

 

My 87 iroc with 40k miles 305tpi, auto.
Bone stock, pump gas, street tires and full sound system back in the 90s ran a 15,50.

Fast forward a year or so, 4:10 gears, aftermarket muffler, built trans with 10" this converter ran a 14.94. At 97 mph.

I ate mustangs for lunch.

Now when I get the LS3 swap done. I'm gonna shoot for anywhere in the 10's
but.. that said,, i had a 90 gt vert stang with 5 speed. Aftermarket intake, exhaust, ignition, clutch. Everything.that could be bolted on.. car ran 13.90s