1

 

good kill

 

Power @ rpm


hp SAE net


333 @ 7900

Torque @ rpm


lb-ft.


262 @ 4900


Some good numbers, Once agian Good job

Those i think are off a 2002 M3

 

Depends on what year M3. The new ones can hang with LS1's. They are no slouch and can put a hurtin on you if you are not making the power.

 

Nice kill, always nice to trash a flash ride.

 

lmao....he's all flash and spent too much cash.

 

I didnt know those suckers were belting out that much hp! They look lighter than 3rd gens too. He thought he was going to pull away from me, heh heh heh....

Im not a big fan of ANY import, so as far as it being newer or older, I would say it was less than 3 or 4 years old.

POZ

 

i assume this was in the formula? cause other wise i would be extremely impressed.

 

and remember it is only a N/A 6

not too shabby on the german enginering

 

true, german engineers are far more Better the US. IMO. But still have to love American Muscle over Euro Crap

 

sorry just found that post funny


saying the germans are a lot better but they are crap
so what does that say about us US ppl who are worse then the germans

 

Wait until you become one before you decide.

 

It was not the Formula that did it but the Firebird! My Firebird is the one with the 355 motor. I hopped that one up. The Formula is box stock with 34000 miles, it is still a puppy yet. The Firebird has 100,000 on the body and 10k on motor.
POZ

 

ill admit, that German Cars are well equipped with there puny V6s. BMWs, Mercedes you name it... But you have to say "EURO CRAP" if you own an American car, even if you think some parts of Euro Cars are good And no way Shifty i would never own a EURO. Even if i won a FREE 2004 Ferrari. I would sell it and buy 20 beatiful US Muscle cars that equal up to one Ferrari

 

German and Jap engineers have nothing on American engineers
American engineers are the only ones that can make a car break down right after the warranty expires. Now that takes know-how!
On the other hand the 3.2 litter I-6 in the M3 is quite a nice piece of work. 6 individual TBs, variable intake runners and ECM control for each cylinder. Very efficient motor. When driven it feels like a V8, plenty TQ of the idle. M3 weights 3200-3400 pounds and it can do 13.1 w/the optional sequential tranny($3000 option).
On the other hand that car will run you $55-65K so it's no bargain. That's the point, germans DO give you a lot of car, but they charge a lot of cash. No bang for the buck.

 

thats why they gave us camaros and firebirds (b4 GM stopped makin them ) THey are fast, good handlin, RWD, V8 and CHEAP!

 

I could purchase a european designed car and motor for 45k, or buy an american car and motor for 10k. Both may go the same top speed and acceleration times, but you gotta wonder which car is going to need maintenence more. My hunch would be on the american car because although like said before many a time you get good bang for the buck, but the lasting ability might not be as great as the european designed equipment. Both have their strongpoints, so it's basically all in your humble opinion right?

 

German engineering... whatever.

I work at a BMW dealership, and those cars are riddled with PROBLEMS.. not only does the new 6-series have a warranty out for the shifter *****, but apparently, there's supposed to be a serious recall.

Besides, I believe that the Europeans have recently fallen behind the Americans in terms of reliability.

Too many computers.. too much "technology".

 

German and japanese car builders have a good reason for building cars with low displacement numbers: taxes. Taxes over here are insane. For this year i had to pay 667 euros, next year it´s 880 euros (M3 E46 - 216 euros). It´s very similar in whole western europe and in japan it´s even worse.

So they squeeze every little thing they can get out of each cubic inch. I don´t think the one way (high tech) or the other way (displacement) is better, just different. Both combined gets you very nice engines (think of the M5 E39 300cui V8 producing 400HP bone stock and loads of torque). Besides that, US V8 engines just sound better than any V6, I6 or fourbanger (and yes, I´ve heard many cars with those engines for comparison).

Back to the M3: SportAuto, a german magazine, tested several Ms and they always weighed in at around 3470 - 3500 (without driver, full gas tank). It´s very fast car, but you can´t beef the engine up. Some companies claim to get them to 370HP (NA), but those cars never were a lot faster than the stock ones. To get this car into the 12s (NA), you have to gut the interior. And that hurts

(my first post at this board :lala: )

 

and apparently the M3s are very picky on the type of engine oil that goes into them. I believe BMW will only allow the Castrol TWS (here in Canada) 10W-50 oil (I think that's the correct weight) to keep with warranty. I asked a couple of techies (one of whom I know is very knowledgeable) about the possibility of running Mobil 1 15W-50 and they both advised against it saying that they had "problems" when a different kind of oil was used.

 

gettin a lil bit off topic here

 

what happens if you get both big dispalcement with high tech stuff on it. imagine if bmw made a 427 or 454 that would be so sweet
jon

 

still wouldnt be as sweet as the real 427s and 454s and 455s in American Muscle. mmmmm

 

GM did just that in one of there concept Camaros, aluminum block 427 SS Camaro, was making the rounds last year at the car shows. Don't remember all the details but it was really impressive the numbers it was turning.

 

Camaro ZL1

Personally, i'd rather have a ram jet 502 . My next project.

 

As the owner of a Porsche 944 and a 84 z28 i have to say both cars have there strong points the Porsche is very well made and id be willing to bet its going to last a whole lot longer than my camaro is and the porsche already has 120K on it. I love american cars ive had many but i have to say im impressied by the porsche the only thing i think MOST imports lack is the ability to throw you back into your seat with gut wrenching torque

Anyway nice kill M3s are very nice cars id take one anyday

 

Time isn't very nice to most late model american cars for one reason, Allowable Tolerance in the manufacturing process. There is just to much slop. Overtime this creates all the rattling, and loosening up of parts, panels etc. Which in turn creates more vibration which can help lead to the early demise of electrical components etc. etc.

 

I got to surprise an M3 the other day too. in my slower IROC.

I gave him thumbs up for a race and he laughed at me. He said "you realize this is a 13.5 second car right"
I told him the best i ran was a 14.9
he laughs again. No doubt thinking he was gonna spank me silly

13.5 at sealevel with a good driver maybe. when your 2-3000 ft up and on less than perfect roads...good luck.
When we raced I pull a car on him off the line and kept him behind me until about 50mph when we got another red light

The next race was worse for him, I think he spun out even more on the second run though.


I love it when ppl assume thirdgens are slow

 

seems like most of these BMW and Euro drivers dont kno what the hell there doing (they cant drive) Like theres this one kid who comes down my dads garage (he owns a BMW M3) Thers always somthin wrong with it. And you kno its hard to work on these newer BMWs. This kid went threw clutches and tires. It took us one week to get his stupid tire. He always drive fast and think hes has such a tuff car.