I'm at work.

I am a computer nerd.

I read a lot of email.

I own a 3rd Gen Firebird. My hande is Cadillac.

You all say: "Hello Cadillac"

I get an email showing the damage from Hurricane Charley in Flordia. One picture shows a HUGE tree that has fallen and is nearing smooshing ~02 Mustang Convertible. The caption from the office mate is "How lucky!".

I replied to the orginal sender saying, "What are you talking about?!? That guy almost had a chance to CASH OUT of his crap *** FORD!"

My colleague promptly forwards this to the company pointing out my statement of fact publicly. Just lovely.

The first retort was, "You might change your mind if you you drove a quarter mile in a Cobra!!"

I replied with the following:

"YAWN"

Now I leave on vacation for a week.



What are the latest arguments for Chevys (GM) over Fords? I know my perspective but having the views of some of the readers of this forum in mind would be helpful to a future bar argument that I do not intend to lose.

I suppose it's possible to hear "Fords are better". On this forum, I bet not.

 

yeah you would change your mind if you drove a 500 horse 383 thirdgen. Or one that pulled a 1.0 g on skid pad on street tires. Cobras are just a factory souped up mustang. I am upset that GM doesnt put out a real SS with 400 horse LS6. 4th gens are nice but ford and now chrysler lead the way with high horsepower cars.

Good quote I heard. Forget who said it.

Camaro wins. It always wins. Even if it loses, it wins.

One of the greatest quotes I heard.

 

Ford vs. Chevy debates = "teh ghey".

 

:werd:

 

Then the best argument would be "just cuz".



Gee thanks.

 

i like ford but i love chevy.


last year car craft sep.issue
They had a battle between Chevy, Mopar and Ford small blocks. Guess who came out on top... CHEVY. Guess who was on the bottom... FORD.

Chevy: Avg. TQ = 423.8
Avg. HP = 346.3

Mopar: Avg. TQ = 409.3
Avg. HP = 342.4

Ford: Avg. TQ = 393.8
Avg. HP = 320.4

A quarter mile estimate was also given by plugging all the variables and power curves into the Racing Systems Analysis Quarter Pro dragstrip simulator.

I Notice the Chevy came in about 311 bucks UNDER budget. The F*rd and Mopar were both over budget and weaker where it counts. Chevy just gives more bang for the buck.


Chevy did 11.74 @ 117 mph
Mopar did 11.78 @ 116.40 mph
Ford did 12.19 @ 111.90 mph


As far as the 350 vs 351 goes....

The inforamtion I have indicates that the 351 was first offered in the Rustang in 1969 and had 250hp. In the same year the Camaro offered two 350 cid models, one rated at 255hp and the other at 300hp.

In 1970 the Rustang could have a 250hp or a 300hp 351 cid and the Camaro offered 3 models with the 350 cid mill: 250hp standard V8, the SS packed 300hp and the Z28 had 360hp.

So in '69 and '70 the 350's were stronger than the 351's

Finally in 1971 the "best" 351 and the "best" 350 each had 330hp. A tie.

In '72 the Camaro still had a 300hp 350cid available but the Rustang top end 351's only had 275hp. Camaro on top again.

In 1973 the Camaro Z28 option offered a 245hp 350 cid and the Rustang was "big" horsepower option was a sad 156hp 351 cid.

Nobody wants to talk about what F*rd did in '74 when you couldn't even buy a V8 in a Rustang since it was built on the Pinto chassis! But you could still get a 350 in the Camaro!

Sorry man....At the least in comparison between the Camaro and Rustang, from '69-'73 (the musclecar years) the 351 NEVER came out on top.

My data came from the Muscle Car Club Web Site.


275@6000 286@3800 R *****1973*****
Cyl disp ... 4000 284@2000 H 8 351 this is the 1973 mach one as u can see 275hp 286 tq



...370@5200rpm 350@3200rpm
350 turbo jet from a 1970 corvette . know my truck engine class its a turbo fire not jet350 4bbl Roch 300@4800 380@3200 10.25 these can all be check online to take care of the ford lovers i denial



Chevy Vs Ford

This is not my story nor in my words. I'm a Chevy fan and this article does take (in my opinion) Chevy's side. This story is from the 4x4 power Dec97 magazine. This is not a word for word comparsion from the magazine but is very close.

What was Tested
95 Chevy K1500 and a 96 Ford F-150, freshly lifted and tricked out with performace parts. Both trucks were almost identical in Engine/Gears and all around.

Category
Best Performer

Urban
Chevy

Highway
Chevy

Dirt and Gravel
Ford

RockClimbing
Chevy

Hillclimbs
Ford

Braking
Ford

Steering feel
Chevy

Percevied Power
Chevy

Tranny Shift Quality
Chevy

Four wheel Drive Engagement
Ford





1/4 Mile Drag Results
Truck
Time
mph

Chevy
18.08
73.51

Ford
18.53
74.44



Cole and Trent's opinions (Editors of 4x4 power)
Chevy


Liked- Lots of torque / looked great/ sounded cool/ strong and broad powerband/ Short wheelbase good for urban drving.


ford
Liked-Turned tight for such a long wheelbase/ handels well on windy roads/ plenty of in cab room.

chevy
Disliked- Not much suspension travel/ Rough 4 wheel drive engagement.

ford
Disliked- No low end power/ Not enough room to keep truck in Overdrive on hills/ couldnt do a burnout/ No power where you need it/ steering is way too light/ frame is too flexable/ Tranny downshifts are slow.



My final thought

Looks like the Chevy comes out on top again. Dont waste your money, buy Chevy. This is a great magazine, which found good in both trucks. As you can see Chevy really does win, but they cant slam Fords because there are a few stupid readers that own Fords.





now i not trying to bash fords i just think chevys better.

 

OMG.

:hail:

 

Im sure the cobra is nothing compared to your lo3.

Yeah, I saw a lot of those from the factory. ITs one thing to say you dont like fords, but give credit where it is due, its a lot faster than a thirdgen, even with the "mighty" LS1.

 

The ford motor also had a far tamer(more street freindly) cam than the chevy did.

I liked the article that car craft did a while back where they took a stone stock (original cam and all!) 5.0 short block bolted on an intake, carb, headers, and Trick Flow heads and made 400 hp. Fairly impressive if you ask me.

 

booyaka!

 

Yeah, I saw a lot of those from the factory. LOL

I gave them credit. Never said I was bashing them. I want a 5.0 93 cobra or stang.

Just making point that GM doesnt do cars like ford does and doesnt have a real SS anymore. I should have said LS6 SS camaro, thats what GM should have done. The SS is only like 15 hp more the the base Z28. How can ford produce a cobra with 390 horses, and can hang with the vette, while chevy aint doing anything about it. Ford lightning outclasses the chevy SS silverado. So does mopar srt10 and hemi. GM killed the f-body and am still in shock. The LS1 is great but not the big power house like LS6 and cobra. The cobra is supercharged while LS1 makes all natural hp. Thats the only plus to GM, great motors and more than 300 cubic inches.

 

I gave up on the Ford vs. Chevy a long time ago....well, except some minor joking.


These days it's USA vs. The World.....in more ways that just cars.

 

well, the cobra is a nice car, and yes it is fast. Ford Vs Chevy debates are never ending. I have found that, it is opinion only.

If someone likes ford better, more power to them. That leaves more chevys for you to buy.

 

mustag5l5 is thinking right! It's the farting imports I don't like. when ever I see one trying to race a domestic it kinda pisses me off. my 4cyl grandam will take alot of our 80's v8 cars but, you don't see me putting fart cans and wings on it. (that would just look stupid right?)

 

CHEVY vs ford its a never ending battle ...lol
I myself am a chevy guy have always been and always will be but sometimes you have to give credit where credit is due a stock mustang will always get beat by a pumped up camaro and vice versa.

Now where the magazines have written up articles and articles by the dozens about this debate, will it ever get settled and a true winner emerge ....probably not but there are always going to be people to argue the points one way or another ...

Im not going to say i have never owned a ford heck ive had a ranger and now we own a 1993 lincoln town car for our family car but when it comes to more bang for your buck when your building a car for fun driving and racing enjoyment you cant beat the prices and compatability of a good ol chevy. not to mention the availabilty of parts !!!!

 

My only question is that why did 80's 5.0's take off into the aftermarket world better than 80's camaro's and TPI units. I know 5.0's take mods extremely well. Thats the case, but still should have some market for TPI cars better than it is now. The market is large but more expensive. 5.0 intakes with larger flow runners are about as expensive as TPI high flow runners. I still like the look of 80's fbodys better than mustangs.

 

I'm waiting to see the new Chevy Cobalt SS. Not really my cup of tea but it should put Chevy in the Civic SI, Focus SVT and Neon SRT-4 market. With a 205 HP SC'd 4cyl and a 5spd it should make for good competition with the SRT-4. The SI and SVT will be toast for sure. As far as GM as a whole, the GTO gives the Mach 1 a run for it's money.

 

Fords were the big thing back in the early 1900s. Chevy did not offer anything to compete with the Ford V8s for years, and everyone built Fords. Chevy then introduced the 409 and took some of Fords thunder away. Along came the Chevrolet small block in 1955, and Ford was a joke until the late 80s early 90s. Nobody built Fords then, and if they did, they spent a lot of money to go nowhere. Chevrolet absolutely dominated. Eventually the FI 5.0 Mustangs came out and Ford began to build an aftermarket. Unlike the old days, you can make anything fast now. High performance parts availability is incredible!

As far as factory offerings... the Cobra is nice. But the Corvette, and especially the Corvette Z06 will do eveything better, including wallet lightening. The Ford GT is nice, but its ultra-exclusive, high priced, and not a street car. You'll never see one other than a museum or an exhibition. I see Z06s on a daily basis.

Ford vs Chevy will live on for a long, long time. Like the past, the advantage will flip flop over the years. With that being said, I still would like to remind everyone that the SBC is still cheaper to build. The "fastest" small block car in the world is SBC derived, as is the "quickest" small block car. Chevrolet holds more records in racing than Ford, and is still the preferred brand. Fords big block aren't even worth mentioning. They're gutless compared to the BBC offerings, and the Ford guys don't bother with them.

The Ford guys are doing some incredible things in drag racing with the big inch turbo small blocks, but the Chevrolet cars, regardless of engine size/combo, are still generally faster.

Want to know who makes the best engines? Check out any enthusiast marine application. No one offers Ford engines, no one.

You can go to any car show in the country on any given day, and find a handful of old Ford hotrods that are Chevrolet powered. Of all the hundred of shows I've been to, I've never, not once, seen a Ford powered Chevrolet. Not once. Chevrolet powered Fords are as common as 69 Camaros at shows.

And like true Ford vs Chevy, or should I say, Chevy vs Ford (Chevy is always first , some Ford guy will disagree with everything I have said...

 

Sounds like you need to get a job at a place that has something for you to do instead of lose battles of witt through e-mail all day. Don't lie on your resume this time either.

 

What kind of crazy **** is this?? YOu must not hang around any Ford guys at all. Ford big blocks are capable of everything that BBC's are, they just cost about 60% more.

 

What a debate...

I actually like to compare my car with other similar cars, whether Chevy, Ford or whatever. Id rather see what a car wih the same mods is doing, and in reality like seeing it with a Mustang to compare how Im doing.

There is never a fair comparison, so I say compare your car with your car! LOL

 

This is the gayest thread ever.

 

Why are you on it then? lol just playing man. it is kinda dumb. You cant compare a 4.6l dual cam motor to a 350 TPI mod for mod. Different cubes, technology, and more.

 

Bot brands have their pro's and con's. The same laws of physics apply to both brands. The debate is just ****ing ignorant.

 

yet you and many others cant keep from chiming in including myself....LMAO

 

Chiming in because I'm tired of seeing/hearing the whole ford vs. chevy, import vs. domestic thing...air + fuel = horsepower no matter how you choose to slice it.

 

its not the fist time i have seen it. but its fun top compare 2 of the best brand cars .i love chevy and i like ford.

 

its kinda like any other thread on here if you dont have interest in it or you dont have knowledge of it then you just dont post on it ......

 

This board would see about a 95% reduction in posts if that were the case.

 

buncha ****** i tell ya...


400 ponies is 400 ponies no matter how u combust it...as long as the distributor is in the back

 

I don't hang around Ford guys? I work at a Ford service shop LOL! I've attended a few Fun Ford events with coworkers. I know the enemy Very few run Ford BBs in competition, and they're no very competitive. They're 90% small blocks. Get a clue...

 

dude, I dont so this, but you are stupid. This isnt just competition discussion, this is about all around hot rodding. Nothing about the ford bb makes it inferior, just cost.

 

In response to 1981Z28's horsepower raitings between the 350s and 351s, as much as I hate to say it, you're not doing a very good comparison, granted, what chevy rated there 350 at was more than what ford rated their 351, but, you forgot to consider that chevy dynoed their answers from the flywheel, and ford dynoed their engines from the rear wheels, that makes a big difference. I still like my chevys more than fords. I just like fords better than imports. My .02.

Gilley

 

That is completely false. No manufacturer has EVER advertised wheel HP numbers, ever. In addition, chassis dynoS are a modern thing, and were not popular back in those days, if they even existed. ALL MANUFACTURER ADVERTISED POWER NUMBERS ARE CRANK POWER NUMBERS. This internet myth needs to stop, and soon. The only reason this misconception exists is because of the popularity of the chassis dyno in past years, and the LS1. Chassis dynos show these cars putting down power to the wheels similar to what the factory rated them at. Its not because Chevy tested them at the wheels, its because they are underrated.

ljnowell - its primarily not cost. Its parts availability. There isn't a decent aftermarket for the Ford BB. And there's a reason why

 

YOu can buy anyhting you need for the BB ford. There is a market, if you want to pay for it.

 

The whole argument about at the wheels, and at the flywheel is BS though, I agree with you. I think that it comes from the fact that crate motors, or magazine articles rate engines in thier most bare form. NO accessories, dyno headers, etc. Manufacturers rate thiers with accessories in place, full exhaust systems, etc. But all manufacturers do it, not just certain ones. And most lie about the actual HP output too.

 

Getting back to the origional question, the best quote I've ever heard is "98% of all Fords are still on the road, as only 2% actually made it home".

The best thing here is we are in the best country in the world in that we have an opinion, some definately stronger than others, and we can VOICE it as we please!! Yes I am definately biased to the Chevy camp, but I have to admit I have seen a few cars from the other camps I wouldn't mind to own. A Hemi Cuda, Boss Mustangs, even know a guy in my younger years that had an AMX that would really haul the mail. I work with 2 people that own low, low mileage 93 Mustang GT convertibles that are as mint as I've ever seen. To me, it really comes down to as long as its AMERICAN muscle, ITS ALL GOOD!!!!!!

 

Thats the truth, but do we have to include dodge?

 

hahahahahahahaha i like that 1!!! ahhaha

 

I'm rather partial to GM products myself... but I also can appreciate all American muscle cars... even some Mopars!

When it comes to who's better... its all a matter of personal preference... I've looked at a few Mustangs, but I've always thought the Camaros and Firebirds looked nicer... just my opinion... but talk to anyone who's owned a Ford or owned a Chevy or any other brand of car.... they can list you all the good stuff about their cars, but they can also list all the stuff they hate about their cars... I've heard just as many people complaining about their Chevys (just take a look at the "what do you hate about your third gen" thread on TGO) as I've heard people complaining about their Fords. In all honesty, all cars have pros, and all cars have cons.

And which car is faster, Chevy or Ford? Depends on how good of a driver is behind the wheel and how big of a bank account he has.

 

i dont know if i believe that statement or not

most people will tell you whats good about thier car and whats bad about yours......LMAO :lala:

 

my dad had a 1970 f-150 and i have a 1970 c10 Chevy pick-up.
back when i got my truck it had 200,000 miles on it.still ran like a bat out of hell ??? no rebuild it was my uncles truck before i got it. i drove both the f-150 and the c10 and the c10 was faster ,better take off ,and better braking .the f-150 had way better handling. my c10 had a 350 small block rated at 300hp and 380ft.lbs my dad had like a 390 big block don't no the hp or ft.lbs rating but my truck could haul as much stuff and haul even more ***

that c10 is my baby. its got a badass 327 that pushes 541hp and 600ft.lbs at the wheels makes my z28 look slow .

 

Marc 85Z28, I was unaware that it was an internet myth. I've heard if from my older brother and from my dad too. Just the way I've heard, but I was never truly aware that anybody advertised it from a specific point. I had just always heard chevy=flywheel, and ford=rear wheels. Wasn't trying to spread any myths, must have misinformed, thats all.

Gilley

 

mopar kicks ****! 426 hemi baby. Fast and furious charger! LOL
thats the ride of choice!

All v-8 and up cars are good. Anything below that doesnt sound right. (Edit, except grand nationals)

 

i check out that charger back in the day it was a 383 not a 440 or 426

 

the only thing ford did right was put the dist up front. i like ford now id buy there new mustang and there old old ones pre 71 i like chevy and i like dodge weve owned one from every camp and currently own 6 chevys and 1 dodge and 1 ford the dodge is a pickup and the ford is a 29 a i like them all.
jon

 

 

Well imports are cool too! But only RWD ones! j/k I like them if they go fast. The sound of 4 cylinders doesnt interest me as much as 8 larger ones. Unless you have a 4 that sounds like a ferrari.

you must admit that that charger was pretty bad ****!


I like Ford F-350 diesels. Friend has one 6.5"lift with 38.5's. Getting 6-gun from banks and smoke stacks. I dont like silverados but do like sierras. Cobras and Saleens are awesome cars but chevy engines are the stuff. Newer Camaro are nice but look can be improved with hoods and bodykit.

 

The only 4 cylinders that sound good are Boxer style motors, i.e. WRX.

 

The Suburus are the best sounding 4 cylinder on the road, by far