so, it's saturday night, and i'm out in the civic. i was crusing about 45mph down one of the main roads here that people race on, and this z28 comes up beside me and punchs it as soon as he gets next to me. so i downshift and head after him.

after playing in traffic for a bit, we finally catch a light. it's a younger white kid and his girlfriend. i ask him if anythings done to it, and he said it was 305 auto, he had a flowmaster muffler and he said something about injectors.

so the light changes yellow for the cross traffic, i bring the rpm's to 5000, and when the light goes green, i take him off the line and he falls back to my rear bumper. when i shift to second, he pulls up about to my rear 1/4 panel, but falls back about a car length after about 50mph and he lets off about 75mph.

at the next light we pull up to there's a cop going the opposite way, and he asks what the hell i've done to my car.
i tell him just i/h/e and upgraded ignition. he says, "damn that things quick", and we both go on our ways.

why is it that every thirdgen i race loses? i wish some l98 would come punk me, it's getting rediculous. i mean my civic is not fast....it kinda makes me feel bad.

i raced a couple other cars last night, one of them was one of those new chysler crossfires. i think i surprised him a bit. i launched real hard from the light, and it tookd him a lil bit to catch up, but he eventually blew by me. oh and then this morning i got beat down by a gsr integra.

i really need to get my camaro fixed...

 

Most people use them as beaters and they didn't come with stellar performance from the factory, anyway.

 

yep, so theoretically most thirdgens that you run into on the street are not in great condition to either race and (or) don't have any upgrades to the stock 80's technology. But, maybe sometime you'll happen to run into a thirdgen enthusiast like yourself that has his modded also. But until then, have fun racing the civic, alot of people like racing those things from what i've noticed around my neighborhood.

 

bring that civic my way

 

I bet my Integra could have beat you when it was stock. Actually, no I don't. It was pretty slow. I was pulled on by a Taxi cab once.

 

I have to agree... most thirdgens arent too fast. Most get beat on and not taken care of. I would actually take my Jeep thirdgen hunting over the Mustang. Would be easier for me (truck being an auto and all) to race them and the ones in my area arent much of a threat (minus a few nicer ones).

 

only L98's are somewhat a competition as they are 14's mid to low in good condition.

But how many have you seen like that running the streets? majority are 305's and RS's for that matter. I havent seen any L98's except for like 3 at a car show in real life. they werent real done up either, just mint condition and guys like that dont race.

its sad to not see nice thirdgens around but i guess thats why they are relatively cheap to get and carry some stereotypes

 

the 85 305 tpi was a good for high 14s stock with a 5sp

 

85 tpi car wont do high 14's. it got the L69 in the stick rated at 190hp. not gonna do it. LOL

well alot of the high end TPI 305 cars were mid high 14's if they were G92 cars and 5-speeds.

like the Lb9 in 87-92 and especially the 89-92 cars. 220-230hp on these baby's. LOL You dont see many of them tho. probly as rare as L98 cars.

 

how about an 88 lb9 w/ T-5? 14's would be nice, maybe i'm wishing for too much here.

 

i guess you never ran it? if in good shape and 3.42 gears, it should run high 14's. I mean its rated at 220hp so it has some power. close to L98 numbers so high 14's should be no problem.

 

always herd the 85 was the best 305 tpi motor and the said the ran 15.2s from the factory and most cars run better then factory specs

 

i would have to agree that I do not see that many l98s running about, mostly RS's for that matter too. Figures though, they built about 200k RS's in 91 and 12000 z28s, basic 20-1 odds of seeing a tpi thirdgen(91 that is). People do however, rarely take good care of thirdgens, or camaros/birds for that matter either... Not exactly a luxury car type, nor does it appeal to those who would be financially stable enough to take good care of it.. sad to say, our cars do not appeal to rich people, because of the simple fact that they are cheap, and most don't have good taste either, they follow the trends/fads at the time, hence rich kids being ricers or hardcore euro people.

At the same time however, if it were a straight up tossup between driving a single car for the rest of my life, id take a manual 350 tpi thirdgen over a porsche 911 anyday... but thats just me, and if someone gave me a porsche 911, id sell it, and use the 70 grand or whatever to make the meanest thirdgen ever.

 

My L98 is my daily driver.

A Z28 at my school (82 or 83) has crossfire. They're suck, but I had neer seen one before then.

 

85 TPI 305 did run very low 15s stock. It was the first year of TPI and after that they put the "peanut cam" in them. There was just about no difference between LG4 and LB9 in '86 because they had the same cam just different injection. In the late 80s they had better internals and G92 options made them faster again.

~Matt

 

no 305 TPI came with stick in 85-86 according to the tech data . i didnt know that till now.


yeah, only 25hp and 35 lb feet torque LOL

86 Z28 had lg4, LB9 or L69(not many made with L69)

LG4 165hp/250lbft
L69 190hp/240lbft
Lb9 TPI 190hp/285lbft but only auto cars

86 Iroc had same stuff



87 they started the sticks an 305's TPI
autos were around 25hp weaker
the G92's had L98 cam, and were making 230hp. Not bad at all from 305.

 

i gotta 305 that you can run, but bring the iroc...

 

though i haven't run my car at the track before, i have ran a few cars that gave me a ballpark. I walked on a dodge stealth from about 15-60. If I'm correct, it was probably the 220 hp dohc v6 non turbo model. Also, I ran a 99+ mustang gt stock from about 40-75 and I stayed even if not him barely inching away at 65. I don't know if his car had problems or what because those cars are supposed to be low 14 second cars. So I'm guessing my car should be around low 15's guessing by the way i was racing that stealth(that is if i were to have launched good). But that gt i just don't know. It definetly had a v8, so i don't think it was a v6 with a gt badge, although most of you will probably say it must be b/c an LB9 stock should not hang with a newer gt in any gear except maybe in first. Any thoughts? Maybe my car has some upgrade i don't know about, or that mustang just isn't running very well. I hope i don't have the peanut cam.

 

i red that a 215hp 1985 305 TPI ran a 14.9 in a 1/4 in a old article..

 

Yea that was my point. In 85 the LB9 ran high 14s/low 15s and they didn't run that well again til later 80's when they had G92 options and L98 cam. In 86 the LB9 got the same cam as the LG4 where in 85 the 305TPI had a much better cam.

~Matt

 

Ill race you with my daily driven work truck. Its a dodge 2500 4x4 with a six cyl. and 5 spd and weighs 7000 lbs best et is 14.8 1/4 mile.

 

what a 14.8 in a 6 banger 7000lb truck????? I dunno man, if it isnt modded i think its

 

cough diesel cough

 

Oh man, haha. If that 14.8 is true then that is awesome. You need a lot of torque and power to run that quick when you weigh 7000lbs

~Matt

 

i thought diesels were 8 cylinders?

 

ahh yea i thought they were 8 cyls, I dont belive, how the hell can you run a 14.8 in a 6 cylinder 7000 lb truck? No Fuggin way diesel or not... Look at that weight.. Unless some moddin

 

Dodge is 6 cylinder. Now, I agree that stock, I don't see it happening. But a modded diesel could EASILY do that.

 

yeah g92 irocs are kinda rare actually around where i live extremely rare compared to L98's, most of the Irocs around me are 350's or at least claim to be. I have a 305 G92 (pure stock) and my friend has an 87 305 w/ the peanut. I can say that i take i lot of crap for having a 305 but im sure i can put down most of the L98's stock.

And yes you are right very few people take care of third gens. I try to keep mine mint but something always seem to wanna break.

Im looking for somewhat in expensive ways to gain power without sacrificing torque any ideas? Alot of fast ricers in my area and i will not be handled by a four banger. Im figuring about $2000 in engine parts. Any ideas on a better cam already have the stock 350 one.

 

i once dynoed a stock longblock 95 dodge cummins 6cyl diesel and it made 620hp and 1560tq. it had every bolt on you can think of. if you think an engins power is limited by cylinders, then why do 6 cyl tractors running staged tubo setups make 1800hp from 6.6 liters? of corse thats with 275psi boost..........

 

The L98 is basically a borrowed watered down Vette engine.... the 84 was an L98 as I understand it...with Crossfire injection.

There is much potential with the 305/350 though. There is also plenty of options for the 1970s V8s you could swap to some 3rd gens. Modern import tech is 'fast and furious' needless to say...but some are using NOS! E-gads...cheaters!! hehe
Bill

 

I may not be rich, but I love luxury ars as I do sport cars. Rich folks who do like Ferrari, Mercedes, Lambo,Cadillac, Jaguar, etc. etc. Hell, even Porsche, which is really a Volkswagon... almost. those are fine cars though. Nothing to sneeze at, but not at all as easy to come by as a Firebird/Camaro...yep, plain jane transpo... sorry to say. I'm a Cadillac owner and fan, and proud to be an American car owner too

 

well he hasnt said it was diesel now did he..

 

Actually he did, and Deisels can run extremelt fast when modded. My friends Ford deisel was a proven low 14 second truck, and was his daily work truck, with TVs in it and such. Thats one vehicle not to underestimate...

 

wow sounds one sweet truck, never knew diesel was that quick when modded.


Ps: I love you Stu

 

mine is a l98 the best i got out of it was 15.282 in 1/4 r/t was .895 60'was 2.259 it had 245 75 15 truck tires ha haha

 

I kept Bridgestone Potenza meats on my ride.. Try those.
I always thought they were original but seem Goodyear gets the nod there... I seem to recall those early 1980s ads too
Bill

 

From memory, the Cummins Diesel is a 6L 6-Cylinder Turbo Diesel with either 18, or 24valves. My friend had one that runs 12's.

 

well i do belive the guy now, that he ran a 14.8.. But the thing that confuses me its a 7000 pound truck... Thats alot of damn weight!

 

wonderful thing about deisels is that almost all are turbocharged, and with turbo/fuel control mods power comes easily. by power i mean a crapload of torque! The internals are also very strong to begin with so that helps keep costs down

 

Diesels are extremely heavy motors as well. Not to mention the tranies are usually heavier, as well as the fact they are heavy duty trucks (meaning bigger, parts all around). I am not sure if 7000 lbs is accurate, but if it is a 3500 Dodge, then it is very possible...

 

yeah i thought the guy had a regular 6 banger with 7000lbs runnin a 14.8... Seems like diesel does make a an huge diffrence.. But theres no way a regular stock V6 pushin 7000lbs would run a 14.8, if its standard shift or not

 

well if your integra ran better than a 15.99 stock, then maaayybe.

yeah i agree, all i see on the road are beat down Z28's or RS's, with an occasional Iroc. usually if i see an iroc, it's either beat to ****, or in reaally nice condition (kinda like how my car used to be ).

oh well, i'm sure i will run in to a couple fast 3rd gens...eventually.

 

That HP number seems high to me, are you sure about that?

 

He meant stock block/rotating assembly/head

 

Lots of people are turning up the diesel trucks and can make 400-500 hp very easy. after that you are going to twin turbos and the best part is it can be done with the stock camshaft and a ported head.

 

Look up the name Doug Doring if you have any doubts about diesels capabilities. He is a friend of my dads and had one of the fastest diesels in the country. Now it was not a street vehicle by any means, but shows what a diesel can do!

 

As for keeping those bolt-on diesels that fast as enough to beat plenty of thirdgens, what kind of gas mileage are we looking at here?

 

Actually with some they have programmers that allow them to be tuned from the cab at the turn of a ****. Ad believe it or not, my friends low 14 second Ford would regularly see 22-24 mpg! Also Diesel used to be cheaper, but recently has skyrocketed in price.

If you want to start comparing gas mileage (something a large pickup doesnt care about) lets compare towing capacity, off road abilities, or bad weather capabilities. (all stuff the Fbodies arent designed for at all).

Now thats only if you want to compare them to a thirdgen, if yo dont, then realize for what they are, its hard to beat them (minus the cost of the truck initially, and now gas prices).

 

Now I better understand why the deisel is optioned in heavy duty trucks. Because of their awesome capability to make plenty of power and keeping the money in your pocket at the pump. Sounds like a good investment if you have the money. Don't they run around 30k, for newer ones with the deisel optioned cummins and so forth?

 

Diesels are quite a bit more than gas, but its not soo much the power as the massive torque they make. As we have seen in other posts, power is just an equation based on torque at a certain RPM, if you make huge torque, the byproduct is huge power (most of the time).