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Old Nov 27, 2004 | 12:03 PM
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Car: 87 GTA Trans Am
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Stock 87 GTA Time..

I have a 87 GTA with a 305.. I really thought it was a 17 sec car at best. Well I just can back from test and tune and it ran:

60' = 2.156
330 = 6.503
1/8 = 10.100 @ 67.78
1000' = 13.261
1/4 = 15.907 @ 83.05

This was in drive. I did not get to run another pass because something happened to the photo sensors at the track and they had to call it a day.

I have to admit that I have not driven at the track in about 10 years so I was a little nervous and did my burnout in reverse I still managed to pull a .738 R/T LOL

Anyway I am wondering it that is right for a stock 305 car?

This is more like my before run. I want to see what it will do at each stage of building. My next thing is exhaust.
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Old Nov 27, 2004 | 12:13 PM
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that is kinda low et and mph. prob needs basic tune up. those figures sugest your making less than 200hp. is it a 5-speed? well i guess it has to be , since it is a gta that has a 305. i think it will run a 14.9 - 15.20 with everything in proper order. check to make sure the timing is correct and the plugs are good. i think you can do better. my completely stock 350ci gta ran a 15.0 on its very first pass. after we fixed the timing and put new plugs and filter in it , it ran a 14.5. work with it .
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Old Nov 27, 2004 | 12:21 PM
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Car: 87 GTA Trans Am
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Originally posted by vejatabul
is it a 5-speed?
No it's an automatic. I also have new plug wires, plugs, ECT...

So you think that was slow.. Now I have to go look at more stuff. I never did check the timing when I did the tune up because I cant seem to find my timing light. I think my sisters husband still has it.

My main goal is to do all my mods to this engine and the last mod I will do will be a 350 with all of this engines mods on it. (I just hate to waste this engine it only has 56,000 miles on it.)
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Old Nov 27, 2004 | 10:38 PM
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man for a GTA those are slow times, you should be low 15s
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Old Dec 7, 2004 | 09:41 PM
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sounds right, I would have figured a mid 15sec 1/4 time
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Old Dec 7, 2004 | 09:45 PM
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sounds right, I would have figured a mid 15sec 1/4 time
from a L98? are you serious?
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Old Dec 7, 2004 | 09:50 PM
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Originally posted by nick418
from a L98? are you serious?
if you read what he said.... he is running those times with a 305 LB9
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Old Dec 7, 2004 | 10:01 PM
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LOL oops my bad! i was thinkin somthin else! sorry man, hahaha that was dumb of me!
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Old Dec 7, 2004 | 10:04 PM
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Originally posted by nick418
LOL oops my bad! i was thinkin somthin else! sorry man, hahaha that was dumb of me!
no problem, I also agree with ya that if it was a L98 GTA it should run low 15's
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Old Dec 7, 2004 | 10:15 PM
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Originally posted by TPI-Formula350-
no problem, I also agree with ya that if it was a L98 GTA it should run low 15's
15s seems high for a L98 tho :shrug:
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Old Dec 8, 2004 | 01:10 PM
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Car: 1989 TTA
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GTA's are heavy, though. They'll do worse then a regular Trans Am with the same motor and trans. Not TERRIBLY worse, but still. Does your car have T-tops? The previous owner of my car (L98) said he did 15.5, but he had crummy tires and I haven't a clue what his maintenance program included. I wouldn't be suprised if the car needs a huge tune-up, even though it seems to run okay.
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Old Dec 8, 2004 | 01:21 PM
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From: Houston MS
Car: 87 GTA Trans Am
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No t-tops.. I will get some pictures up soon and put a link in my sig.

This car has about every option I can think of but the original buyer did go for the LB9 with an automatic tranny. Not what I would have done but I was not there when he bought it.

It ran the 15.9 in drive also with a full tank. I am changing the exhaust this weekend and I think that should be worth a few 1/10's or at least some MPH.

With any luck I will learn how to do my own computer chips this winter so next summer I can slap in a 350 or even better a 383. I am very new to TPI (This is my first TPI car) so I will stick to my experimenting on the 305. At least for now.

Thanks for all your feedback.
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Old Dec 8, 2004 | 01:35 PM
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My 87 t/a with the lb9 and 700r4 ran a 15.88 my first time at the track.I think I could have gotten a little better time though.Mine has t-tops and a full system in the back.
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Old Dec 8, 2004 | 02:58 PM
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are auto 305 lb9's really mid high 15's??

some 5 speeds are in the high 14's so will an auto really take off a second?

i wonder what a L98 with T5 would do....... i hate GM for not figuring out how to do that.
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Old Dec 8, 2004 | 05:44 PM
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From: Wahiawa, Hawai'i
Car: 1989 TTA
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Transmission: Worn-out 200R4
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Yeah, so much for corporate wisdom. I have an Edelbrock cat-back, not sure what the actual effects are on my times, I've never ran the car for the 1/4 mile. Sure is quiet now... What cat-back are you getting? Can't wait to see some pics. Leather seats, too?
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Old Dec 8, 2004 | 05:58 PM
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From: Houston MS
Car: 87 GTA Trans Am
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Originally posted by pvt num 11
Yeah, so much for corporate wisdom. I have an Edelbrock cat-back, not sure what the actual effects are on my times, I've never ran the car for the 1/4 mile. Sure is quiet now... What cat-back are you getting? Can't wait to see some pics. Leather seats, too?
It is a hooker cat back that I ordered and yes the seats are leather.
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Old Dec 8, 2004 | 09:27 PM
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Car: 1989 TTA
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I had considered Hooker seriously, but finally decided on Edelbrok due to the tip apperance, they look exactly like the ones that came with the car. I didn't want bling bling 3" chrome on an otherwise stock car.
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Old Dec 8, 2004 | 11:00 PM
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Please remember the intake track on 87 pontiac TPI's were terribble...88 is when they went to the better flowing elbows.
I think you car needs a serious tune-up...i would think 15.5's@87-88mph a little more realistic taking the poor intake setup into consideration.
upgrading exhaust is good...but even upgrading to a stock intake setup from 88 up models would help...get a cold air setup on it to compliment the exhaust...check your timing..some thirdgen's (like mine) timing was a bit off from the factory 6*setting..bumping it to 10-12 *gives a nice little gain...
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Old Dec 9, 2004 | 06:26 AM
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Car: 87 GTA Trans Am
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Originally posted by pvt num 11
I had considered Hooker seriously, but finally decided on Edelbrok due to the tip apperance, they look exactly like the ones that came with the car. I didn't want bling bling 3" chrome on an otherwise stock car.
LOL yea I dont like them at all and dont plan on using them. I hate anything that changes the appearance of the car.

I did talk the wife into buying me a lap-top and the stuff needed to burn chips for Christmas. I actually need a laptop anyway for business. Do you guys think it's a good idea to put a bunch of mods on this 305 and then buy a 350 or 383 or should I change the engine first. The engine is low miles so I really hate to just scrap it but at the same time... I am thinking 1.6 roller rockers for my next move. They seem to add power for a small price. (They are cheap on ebay)

Thanks for the info about the 87 TPI's I thought they where all the same. When you say elbows are you talking about the runners or something to do with the intake? Sorry about that question but I am new to this.
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Old Dec 9, 2004 | 08:18 PM
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I just recently sold an 87 GTA. mine was an L98 though and it wasnt stock. it had SLP runners, headers and SLP cat-back. mine ran a 14.5 @ 95 with 145Kon the odometer with no rebuild.
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Old Dec 9, 2004 | 08:51 PM
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Car: 1987 Iroc Z28
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I think the decision is ultimately yours to make. It sounds to me like you wanna take this car and do it up a little. If you ask me, try to sell off the 305 while you still can. Maybe trade (and some cash) for a 5.7. Yes, many of the bolt on parts you slap on a 305 can be slapped on a 350, but do you really want to go through all that time and trouble? I wish I had done that years ago when I had my original 305 tpi. It was a fun little screamer, but stepping into the 350 is a whole new ballgame.
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