Ran a newer Eclipse the other day from a roll...I belive they are rated at 200hp? V6 N/A...
I was leaving work heading up the highway and came to a light..
A civic with a body kit/exhaust rolls up next to me and revs..and takes off poorly as the light hits.I let him go,not much interested..however one of these newer eclipses jumps up next to me and tries to get ahead of me before I can get over..so i punch it(which I really need to stop letting people get the jump on me..) going from about 35 mph up to ~75 or so I was ahead by about a couple car lenghts(hard to tell)...not bad considerinding he had a nice jump..and I started pretty much at the bottom of second...I think they are 15.0/14.9 capable cars...
Solid performer...I raced a turbo one a few years back with just minor mods and could not shake him...Given the choice I like the older turbo ones better...I have a 305 auto TPI with a decent set of bolt-ons...it runs really well for a 305.

 

Actually thinking about it I might have taken it up a little higher, maybe 80-85....yeah that sounds good

 

c00l LOL

nice run but i dont know if those eclipse are 15.0 cars. more like low 15's i think. still nice tho. i kinda like them

 

I thought I read somewhere of one pulling out a 15.0 ....but yeah on average they are low 15 sec. cars...run about what a V6 f-body run...but costs a bit more?..not sure.

 

Yeah, the newest style Eclipses are pretty worthless regardless of the trim level. In my opinion, they shouldn't even call it an Eclipse, it doesn't even have the 4G63 in it. Think of the 80's Nova...

 

I agree.

 

I have heard alot of talk about eclipses and i dont think people know what an eclipse can do. must be a 1g or 2g (1g 90-94 2g 95-99) I have a 97 eclipse GSX. GSX is all wheel drive. GST FWD. RS or GS is not worth talking about. But anyways, A stock GSX puts out 210hp. Eclipses are very easy to boost horse power. I raced a 95 GST at a roll and lost by a few feet. That was when my GTA only had stall converter, shift kit, MSD set up, and K&N. He was basically stock too only having a upper intercooler pipe and blow off valve. Eclipses are quick. Dont race em unless you know whats under the hood. YOU WILL BE TAKEN. I own a 97 eclipse GSX T04 turbo, 3" turbo back exhaust, 660cc injectors, S-AFC-II fuel management, etc. pushes close to 400hp not properly tuned. When the eclipse GSX comes stock off the lot, it leaks boost at 11psi. Now a GSX off the line is no joke. Just watch out. I am a GTA owner and GSX owner. If they are running at a stock boost level then it will be close. If they boost up even a few pounds and change there blow off valve then be prepared for a race. Im not defending imports nor talking down to them. Watch yourselves

 

Changing blow off valves doesn't do anything measurable for performance. Just sound.

 

um no....... a stock blow off valve leaks at 11.2psi. when you change them the boost increases to 14.4 psi. Just that single mod. Like i said, unless you know about eclipses then you shouldnt talk down to them. Blow off valves do change the sound because they allow more boost to hold in the piping. see what i mean. thats why the sound changes. If you run a manual boost controller (a 70.00 mod) and try to turn the boost up to say 16psi then the stock BOV wont let it get that high at all because it leaks. Like i said. If they swap there BOV then you are looking at atleast a 10Hp gain and a 3psi boost

 

That's funny, I've got a completely stock 1st Gen DSM BOV on my car and I ran 15 psi all day, every day. One of the best MBC's out there (ball and spring style) only costs $50. Anymore and you should be paying for an electronic instead of a manual.

 

Here's a picture of it. See? It's not even crushed or anything, totally stock.


I know what you are trying to say, but you generally don't change a blow off valve for performance reasons, unless it's broken. I also realize that there are many very crappy plastic factory BOVs like the Boschs ones that come on Saabs. But then again, the Porsche 911 TT also uses a stock Bosch plastic BOV.

I think the problem here is that you have a '97 DSM, that came with the worthless plastic BOV. I know that in your case you have to change the BOV if you hope to have a chance at any performance, I just don't want people who don't know what you are talking about to get the wrong idea about what you are actually talking about. The way you put it, you made it sound like BOV's were generally performance mods, which they are not.

 

Any car with a Turbo is to be taken serious when modded...

I know GSX with decent bolt-ons can run solid 13's at least...
But like I've said before, the Supra's/300zx's/stealths/eclipses along with the new Neon rt's...they will respond well to bolt-ons boost ,and run solid 12's ..after that it costs an arm and a leg to go faster...it all evens out.

I'll jump in on something I don't know about here ,but I thought blow -off valves help maintain boost betwwen shifts if anything...
anybody feel free to correct that....I'm curious.

 

That is one of their purposes. The main reason you use a BOV is to relieve pressure between shifts. When you shift you take your foot off the gas, so the throttle plate slams shut and blocks off the passage of air to the motor. With the throttle plate blocking the way, the only place that pressurized air has to go, is back through the turbocharger itself. This puts a lot of pressure on the compressor shaft. You can tell this is happening when you hear the fluttering sound know as "compressor surge." So the main purpose of the BOV is to prolong the life of the turbo itself.

As a beneficial by product, when the air is let out, there is no added pressure on the compressor wheel, so it can keep its speed up between shifts. You can really tell the difference because without the BOV it's very easy to fall out of boost between shifts.

 

He was talking about the 2g bov leaking at 11 psi. Its plastic. The 1g's bov is probably the best factory blow off valve ever made. Its all metal but still leaks off around 20psi when it needs crushed to hold even more boost. So when you do replace the upper ic hose and replace the factory trash 2g bov with a 1g or better, it is a performance mod if your trying to run more than 11 psi on a 2g.

 

I realized that, and addressed it in my post later.

 

"""The way you put it, you made it sound like BOV's were generally performance mods, which they are not. """

Ok, this is a fbody forum but who cares. A 2g eclipse needs to have BOV replaced. A cheap way to do it is a 1G BOV. 1G BOV do not leak. So you dont see that problem. Im saying, if you try and turn up boost on a 2G witha stock BOV, you wont see that extra boost. Stock turbo capable of 16psi. Stock BOV wont let it happen on a 2G. A 1G yes. You want pics of my set up, Im running a T04 turbo... a 1g BOV cant handle it. pushing 22psi. I know what im saying here. Yeah, but a turbo eclipse with upgraded BOV and boost controller, the right plugs, and an intake... you are going to have trouble beating them. what stock 2G runs 14.4 i think???

 

THANK YOU FORMULA SCOTT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Anywho....... stay within your class. My opinion, on simple bolt ons....... eclipse all day will take it. Like i said, pushing close to 400hp on stock internals.. I know im pushing it, but with the right tuning, i would see 400hp estimated AWD at the wheels but then probably saying bye bye to a rod. Oh and no NOS. BOLT ONs on a turbo have more potential. Just the way it is. with it being AWD just say bye bye. You might be able to catch up in the long run (in a 350 TPI) but only catch up by 1/2 car length. If they swapped turbo, then forget about it. I raced my eclipse against my GTA, eclipse won, just kept pulling and pulling, turbos are so nice.

 

I'm sorry, you lost me.

 

Sorry i got all excited that there was something i actually knew something about that i didnt finish reading the rest of the posts.

 

Just race the AWD's on the interstate.. if you got top end then say bye bye to the awd.. all that traction, but you dont need it over 40-50 mph.. not saying a modded $30,000 STI couldnt be fast on the interstate but whats the point? my huffy bicycle could be fast on the interstate with $5,000 invested lol. not trying to start the R**** sucks war but it seems like no body talks about thirdgens on thirdgen.org lol. :lala:

 

DSM...Im selling my ThirdGen to get a friggin AWD 1G Talon/Eclipse ...need that gas money lol...totally off topic on an off topic subject...

 

Guys this is destined for doom
Lets talk about turbos in 3rd gens

And I finnaly got to here "Turbo Whine"
and I cannot stand it
I had to mute the tv when they started the cars on full throtel
SO annoying

 

Those were superchargers, which have a different sound compared to Turbochargers.

Part of the reason the sc was so loud was the piping to the sc air inlet. But its really cramped under the hood with those setups, so I don't know how they would route it anywhere else to quiet it down.

 

well thanks for the correction I dont know to much about supers and turbos or nitrous for that matter

 

 

not always true. when i had my 89' Vette (with a 350 TPI) i consistantly out 60 footed these "invincible from a stop AWD" cars at the track

does everyone forget the low end power a SBC with a TPI manifold on top has? alls you have to do is get that power to the ground effectively. 350 TPI + 2500 stall converter + sticky tires = AWD cars seeing RWD taillights off the line

 

Laugh all you want stu, but SC's and Turbo's have different sounds to me. I know that Centrifugal superchargers are essentially half of a turbo, and the other half a set of gears to step up the rpm.

But i can usually tell the difference between them at idle.

 

They have a different sound to everyone. It was just funny, don't take it so seriously.

 

Still I always hear about "import" eclipses. Or those ***** cars, and the like.

Eclipses are American Made.

They come from Normal, IL.

The engine is japanese, so I guess that is what counts, so would the saturn be import? It's got a honda. Is the chrysler crossfire an import, it runs a bmw, iirc.

I understand, I just don't think they qualify, cause it is american made.

But soon, if not already, toyota will be american made too.

I always wanted one, but the vr4 Galant was way cooler.

Same basic platform as the GSX, awd, turbo, 5 speed, but it was all wheel steering too. And in a freaking sleeper package.

A galant? Who would expect it.

I hate technology, really I do

 

The tax breaks they recieve along with a lack of UAW taxable monies would make your head spin. Not to mention special pay plans that avoid putting money into local schools. It is a complicated matter. I have no problem with them making stuff over here. It is our faults for not doing it correctly and letting them get away with various tax and union exemptions.