Ok,

Im in the middle of a L98 buildup for my 89 GTA, and
She just about completed.

Well, I guess you can call its a L98,
except I got some brand new LB9 heads on it.
but everything is all roller
TPS enhancer and a MSD, and a set of SLP 1 3/4 headers
built 700r4 w/ B4M shift Kit and a 2000 stall.
and a Summit Racing mild TPI cam. This is a brand new package so,
everything is slightly used from the old Engine or brand new.
the bottom end is brand new, cam and heads new.
TPI and all those components were beadblasted and polished.

well, Im in the garage and this dude I went high schoo with 3 years back says "when is that Piece O' Shat gunna be done so I can blow the doors off it" -hes sitten in a 02 or 03 WRX w/ some glittery rims and a lil wing on the back.
and of course the coffee can on the back of it.

me, Dont get out much nor bother with any other car except mine. Think ID dash on him? or will he pull on me?
oh rearend is equipped w/ 3.73s

 

Yeah,those wrx guys think there hot **** for some reason.Well Ive seen ****t harder come out of my a$$

 

run him from a dig bc while AWD is not good from a roll most often TPI isnt either...if he can lauch really well you might be toast but if he spins or bogs the takeoff which he probably will...the TPI will give you the MAX power from a dig

you still need to be running low 14s to beat a WRX they arent slow (ive read about races at ls1tech.com where 4th gens with boltons can beat them from a roll but have trouble from a dig)

Run him either way the worst that can happen is you lose your pride is hurt but hey you cant win them all and you might "blow his doors off" (gay cliche)

Oh hey get a trans lock before you run him that way you can launch from 4 to 6 or 7000 rpms and with good tires not spin HE WONT BE ABLE TO MATCH THAT

 

all my car needs to make mincemeat outta that car
is some suspension compenents to get all that torque to ground.

and that T56 tranny that im 1/2 saved up for.
the LS1 4th gens are dam quick
but that dont mean they have what it takes to get that 3100lbs car to 60 and quiker than that tiny AWD WRX, not saying it cant but stock .. might have a tiny bit of trouble

Ive seen a couple vids of a L98 jumping all over a Ls1
down low .. then that LS1 car's 3rd gear comes and goes
so do his taillights

gotta remember one thing that could hinder or help the performance of my car.

how did the compression change effect the overall performance of the car? I havent drove the car so ..

its all up in the air now ..hehe Cant wait!

they are 305 heads , so did the compression go up or down?

 

Here they are, they are new .. 0.0 miles on em

fresh PC seals,springs,guides
jus got throw on the rockers

cool thing about these guys are they were a freebie.
only if I had another 2500bucks I could build a pretty nasty TPI small block.

 

Keep thinking that a bigger exhaust on a turbo car is just the same as the fart cans on other N/A imports. This ought to be funny. Good luck.....

 

if he had a big spoiler out back, couldve been an STi, which has 300 hp and 300 tq...I would def be cautious. These cars are highly modifiable. Do not get overconfident whatever you do, and satart talking crap.

This said, Who cares who wins or loses. He likes his car, you like yours. Whoever has a faster car has a faster car. I am sure his is more fun in some ways than yours, and i am sure yours is more fun than his in some ways.


enjoy

 

Hey Stu.

Ive around TGO for awhile now.

and 75% of the time you post .. its negitive
to the thread starter or the people participating.

I said coffee can not fart can.

cause that ugly muffler hes got is as big as a Folgers can.

lay off me

thanks for the tip golden. dont know much about those subarus.
so WRXs Sti's have the same numbers as I?
I know ill be kickin 300 ft lbs of torque give or take a few.

Now that I know that.. I wont disrepect the car
I never run my mouth cause my T/A isnt a 12 second car yet.
when it is, then you have that privledge

 

dont mind him, he doesnt mean any harm...

 

Yeah stu is just an azz, but he chimes in with something useful when we ask about imports... usually..

I would watch out for the STI's, 300hp/300tq, and easily modified. We BARELY walked one from a roll in my buddies stock '02 Z28. The STI was modded with more boost and some other stuff. If it's just a regular WRX, you shouldn't have a problem.

Ways to tell it's an STI:

- STI badge on back (I think)
- On front of the car on certain years it says "STI - Subaru Technica International" or something like that. It's right underneath the headlights.
- The seats will be racing style and say STI on them in certain years.

There are probably more ways to tell, but I don't know them.

 

I dont mind Stu at all, you need some other car owners on a board to keep it level headed and bring in info lots of the thirdgen owners wouldnt know...

As far as the WRX this sounds like the same talk on a Mustang board. The kid with the Mustang doesnt know what his car will run but its not really moded, and he thinks its an easy race. I just say remember this...

The WRX is newer, has less wear and tear, AWD and such, its more proven of a performer. We know what it should run with a good driver and thats low 14s. I never go into a race underestimating my competition, ALWAYS expect him to be as fast as possible, and be prepared for that!

 

I do have to say this... what does your car run? Uless its mid to low 14s or better then I guess most WRXs can be hard ****, they are faster!

 

My friends 2004 5 speed WRX ran a 14.4... My L98 ran a 14.3.. She be a good race

 

He has grown on me. He gives off a rather negative impression, he just fails to realize, he is one of the few four banger guys who isn't a ***** and needs to understand, a guy with a STI acts a lot like a stuck up snob in a BMW. Not all, but mostly.

 

Sorry To disapoint you all,

But shes not an STI ..
you better believe im gunna walk all over him,
then be nice to em afterwards so he'll respect the 3rd gen .. any 3rd gen

can you believe the nerve of this guy! running is mouth and doesnt have anything spectacular ..
the next week or so, I should have timeslips.

Im hoping for some decent times

 

If its just the can NBFD. If he was smart and got a larger diameter, mandrel bent midpipe it would make a big difference.

 

Sounds to me like your also doing the same thing, talking about running all over him, when you dont have a proven combo. Dont be the pot, and dont start calling out any kettles (for those who know the joke). Get some timeslips and then be confident!

 

stu's cool and you can quote me on that

 

Well whats a proven combo?

you mean that I havent sat the powerplant in to see if she runs good ?

or

the 305 head combo? ive heard good and bad things about
the LB9 heads on a 350.

 

I mean it doesnt run, doesnt have timeslips, you dont just have a motor drop in and run badass times, you gotta work for it. Im the kind that says dont run your mouth till you run the car. Granted your not running your mouth, just dont get cocky about a race you dont know your going to win! As with any race that is supposed to happen it probably wont or we wont hear about it, but good luck if you do get to try it!

 

I can't believe you are talking all this smack when you own a weak-powered thirdgen. Gimme a break. Any true hotrodder knows that NA power is made in the heads first (not talking about CID or Forced Induction). You have weak heads with a mild cam. Stock the car put down around 230hp. The only horsepower mod you have is a weak cam and headers. So, now you have about 250hp if you are lucky and it's mismatched because you're running a stock chip with some snakeoil TPS enhancer. What a noob. Yes, I know what I am talking about because my thirdgen ran mid 11's naturally aspirated at full weight with the STOCK shortblock. Now I own an STi. My buddy's WRX with simply an Exhaust and ECU reprogram gave him 50 horsepower to the wheels. He's pushing 285 at the crank and runs mid 13's with just 2 mods. My sti now has 360/390 with just exhaust and ECU upgrade. Granted - the dude talking **** to you may be a noob and not know anything about tuning Subarus. However, don't underestimate the car ... especially when you are a noob yourself.

Tim

 

alright stop jumpin on TPI he has a great point in it not being an STi so stop doggin him for being more confident...if you were going up against a 4th gen fbody and you found out the camaro wasnt a z28 youd be a bit relieved and more confident in yourself

if he says hell walk him and then doesnt then he'll know why its not so good to be overconfident but if he does walk the wrx then great for him.

ALWAYS do your research

Engine 2003 Subaru Impreza WRX Sedan & Sport Wagon
Configuration Horizontally opposed (“boxer”)
Block Die-cast aluminum with integral cast iron cylinder liners, five main bearings, open deck cylinder design
Cylinders 4
Displacement 1,994 cc/122 cu. in.
Bore x Stroke 92 x 75 mm (3.62 x 2.95 in.)
Heads/Valvetrain Aluminum alloy cylinder heads with belt-driven double overhead camshafts (DOHC), four valves per cylinder and solid lifters with valve lash shims
Compression ratio 8.0:1
Max. boost pressure 13.5 psi
Horsepower 227 @ 6,000 rpm
Torque 217 @ 4,000 rpm
Fuel/Induction Sequential multi-port fuel injection (MFI) with multi-spray injectors and tumble generator valves, turbocharger and intercooler
Ignition Direct
+ fart can muffler probably not adding more than 5 to 10 hp at its best if ECU tuned hell add more power (he prob cant tune for $hit)

There you go

217 and 227 might not seem like a lot but they are smaller HOWEVER their curb weight is 3,089lbs. You drive right...dont try a "launch" (unless youve trained at it successfully) and get a good jump and you definately SHOULD walk him

i suggest manually shifting your gears for sure (in hopes you werent thinkin of leaving it in drive)

No go race him and come back with the results until then everyone let this go and wait for an update

 

that's what I had on my car (88 305 tpi heads on a tpi 350 block I had 1.94 valves put in too though and "z28" ooooh springs ) I was using a slp cam (the 480/487 lift 112 one) 24# injectors and the same slp 1 3/4 headers. I also ported the hell out of the tpi I tried every rear gear from 3:23 and steeper



I will tell you over and over again it had ALL its power on take off. like I said it was a tire burner. every one I took was comming up fast and any thing after the 1/4 would have took me so watch out.




my biggest concern is the cam you have. that cam will make ALL the differance in the setup (I hope it's a good grind)

I had some times but, you may get too confident, it was very hard to roll off good times with that setup


btw loose the tps enhancer

 

Oh Traxion my boy

Dont call me out .. wherever the "noob" tag came from
in the first place

If any of ya had any Idea what my money
situation was like you be amazed Ive even got those
parts to begin with.

I cant believe you judge people by what the have at the given time ..
that TPS crap was also free..
you talk like I said those were hardcore upgrades ..


and another thing, I wasnt cocky .. or running my mouth
I knew I had to ask somebody be4 I went and played around with an STI.

then I found out its an STi wannabe ...
just dressed up to mock one, thats why I commented
that Id get em.

SO TELL ME.. whos gunna win?

my "nooby" built piece of ironjunk? or A stock WRX..

 

WRX, out of the hole anyway if he can drive it for anything.

But, then he'll just keep pulling as your heads and cam are going to hold you back.

 

It's not a "stock" WRX though. It has an exhaust, you said so yourself. You know what goes great with exhaust? A chip and a manual boost controller. The chip probably costs a little less than a turbo back exhaust does, and a good MBC can easily be had for $50. Or maybe he just has an exhaust and MBC. Either way, like I said, pretend that every car that has a big muffler on it (I guaranty yours is bigger anyway) is the same as every other car and you'll get yourself into trouble.

If this guy really only has a muffler (I highly doubt it) then he is a tool and deserves to be beaten by your budget racer. If not, then you're in for a dissappointing surprise and it's too bad that you got all hurt when I didn't sugar coat the truth when I presented it to you a few posts back. Once again, good luck.

 

the third gen will win, I raced a guy in a wrx mods where

CAI, up pipe, down pipe, high flow cat, cat back exhaust, boost controller/turbo timer, and a piggy back ecu for the mods he had and a BOV to make it sneeze

I know he has these mods cause I help put some of them on, and he was no match for my Iroc mods where

k&n's, cut air boxs, msd 6a, air foil, small performance cam(350), high flow cat, flowmaster, built tranny, and descreened MAF, stock 305 chip and accell 19lb injectors

he didn't bog or spin and I still took him off the line and keep a car and a half until about 50 and he pulled up to about the rear of my door and was like that till about 80 then we shut down

 

Your friend cant drive, he should have killed you out of the hole unless you had some sort of drag radial. My friend (CobraKiller on here) had a WRX with a few mods, and would cut 1.7 60's all day!

As far as the original poster, the WRX should win!

 

Im with 25th, you shouldve lost that race...

and sorry to the original poster, but you are in for CLOSE race if he truly only has a muffler. I have driven these WRX and STi cars, and let me tell you, 60 ft times are intense.

 

like i said before man just go do it this weekend and come back and post the results until then stop worrying about what people are telling you on here bc it doesnt matter NONE of us know the car you are attempting to race or what it has done to it (besides exhaust whoopie jack) so nobody on here can predict $hit

Good luck dont try anything stupid on the launch its the most important part

(if you race from a light, which id recommend bc its better than "3 honks" or someone standing in btw two speeding cars in terms of fairness and saftey...give him like a foot lead when you line up and as the crosslight goes red let your foot off the brake and that way the minute it goes green your foot is already on the gas while he is taking his foot off the brake or working the launch with the clutch...you will only have a slight roll before the light is green and the foot you gave him will make up for that but you should be on the gas quicker and get a better jump on him)

now go setup a race

 

well if i was in this position, i would not give a crap, wrx sti blah blah wrx's look like doodoo, thirdgen's look better that's all there is no need to beat the wrx

 

Not everyone is a good driver . Sometimes, thats a flaw you need in the other party to win . Otherwise we'd all be equal on driving skills.

 

well, i quoted you on that....now what?

 

Im alil confused.

I have a brand new smallblock. No dirt, sludge
wear or tear on any of the parts.
Im having a hard time picturing it to run like crap.


If you think the cam will hold me back, ill post the specs later tonight. and you can really tell me what you reccomend.

the heads arent garbage, the whole car should run better than it ever has before.
Dont get me wrong anything could happen ..

but if I do lose .. at least it aint japanese!
Subaru makes a decent lil car that I very well would buy.

If I win, he got beat by a budget buildup SBC,
if hes wins .. then his car probally deserved it.

 

Oh I know, but counting on him being a bad driver to win a race is kind of lame, and then being slightly cocky about it, now thats not right. Id say expect the worst in every race, expect him to be the best driver that way your ready!

 

Wise words

 

I wont stick up for STU, most of his posts I read are negative. Although I dont like how he states what he says and comes off like an @$$ I get his point and most of the time it is factual and relevant. I completely understand your point also TBI. I raced a regular WRX in the 1/8, but I expected to lose. It sounds like I built my car alot like you are, except I didnt touch my engines internals, no $$ = no mods.. I have no idea whats inside, but running the # at the gm dealer tells me its a 68-73 307 sbc..
double hump heads that the internet says is 2.02/1.6 64cc combustion chambers. edel performer intake, 600 holley VS hooker comp shorties, 2 1/2" exhaust, no cat. flow 80 series 3.08 open rear and timing set by ear.... the car doesnt really run right but what can you do without money right? the engine has who knows how many miles on it and reads very low compression 80-85psi dry..
anyway heres a timeslip, I'm left lane #163... my 2nd time down the strip so go easy on me lol. Honestly I dont know if the WRX was stock or not. but maybe this can help you compare, and good luck, hope you win one for the po boys

 

Sorry for repost

 

That looks like a stock WRX time with a bad 60'... That should be a low 14s high 13s car!

 

Then if the guy cant drive, which isnt the best way to win, its still a win.. the guy looked at me like I didnt belong on the same track... he did beat me by a bit but I was proud of my 3k car vs. his snotty exspensive car drivin self looks like some more practice, some traction and a 100 shot and he would have been cake.... sounds like you should be making more power than me TBI.. wax his *** already so we can all put an end to this lol.

 

Come on now, let's not be ridiculous. Just because your car is a dirt cheap, doesn't mean that a WRX can be considered expensive.

 

you talkin about the wrx?

when I finally got to the track my car was running like crap and I pulled similar 1/8 times as the ones posted

 

roflmfao. Now THAT is a true r1c3r statement. The thirdgen looks better and that is all that is needed to win. roflmfao.

Tim

 

A good car is about matched parts. Those heads are junk. Sorry. I don't intend disrespect but stock 305 TPI heads aren't performance heads and power is made in the heads first. Do I think you can win? Absolutely. I think this race is going to come down to the driver (if he is running just a catback). Fast Subarus are about driver ability as much as power. If the guy can't drive then you very well could beat him. If he can drive then he'll take you out of the hole easily. Moral of the story: If YOU take him out of the hole then not only can you probably tease him about winning ... but then you'll be able to call him a crappy driver. A thirdgen can't pull 1.7 60ft times on street tires (if you have a slip that says that you did then the timing lights got messed up). If you ever pull a real 1.7 60ft time then it will all make sense. If he is modded with a full TurboBack exhaust (TBE) and the tuning that goes with it then he'll probably beat you. He'll have 220hp to all wheels in a lighter package that pulls better up top. Find out what his mods are then ask him if he has been to the track. Find out his 60ft times.

Tim

 

I agree, I have about $3000 in mods on my car, looks like your budget build is not so great afteralll. And you cant compare an old ratty car to a new one with a warrenty, zero miles, and a LOT more going for it. This has to be one of the weakest arguments out there...

 

My friends 2004 WRX was leaking OIL at 900 miles on the odo! That was funny as hell.. .

 

I appreciate you raging on me and everything but the $3000 included buying the car, having it painted and getting it running..
sorry im not a rich Mustang driver on a chevrolet site like you, then I might know what im talking about.

 

Oh here we go... Yeah because being a college student at 19 Im loaded. First off not a Chevy site, its a site dedicated to thirdgens and those who own, and like them and get this, I actually like them.

Second off, I posted my opinion, if it bothers you, you better get some tougher skin if you want to make it in the real world. Opinions shouldnt matter to you, and again Im a Mustang owner on a thirdgen site, what do I care.

Third I used my car to show you how lame that comparison is. ANYONE can build a car cheaper than a WRX and run faster. To me its nothing special. Sure it makes you feel good, but the WRX is not your car.

If the ratty comment bothers you, Id call my car ratty compared to a new one. It has nothing to do with me owning a Mustang and you owning a Thirdgen, I dont disrespect them, I just dont use them to compare to a new car as far as money per 1/4 mile time goes! Your getting more car for the money with the WRX than yours is, same thing with mine and many others.

So now that you tried to attack me being on a thirdgen site, go for it. I have helped a ton of members out, had ignorant Mustang owners kicked off, and also made a lot of real world friends off the site. Ill gladly stay on a THIRDGEN (ot Chevy) site, and post what Id like on topic!

 

Haha, what a lameass. Who cares how much you spent on your car? Just about everyone on here has or had a low budget, beater project. It's hardly something to brag about.

 

Alright guys, lets stick to the topic.

If we were all rich we would not be driving thirdgens. If we so happen to still like them after we obtain wealth, all of our cars would look like kandied91z's.

You cannot compair a new car to a 15 year + car.