Ported heads : http://community.webshots.com/photo/...41593337rrESsa

flowing:

.100 72/54
.200 138/110
.300 195/144
.400 245/187
.500 262/202
.600 262/208

The rotating assembly:

http://community.webshots.com/photo/...23874878TbZbkQ

http://community.webshots.com/photo/...23876904wgXeeD

http://community.webshots.com/photo/...23875993YYJYdD

The 383 LT1:

http://community.webshots.com/photo/...49018662nwFMKx

11.54:1 CR, CC306 Cam, Electric waterpump .

The reciever:

http://community.webshots.com/photo/...23879409vCtSjc

The soon to be victims:

http://www.rsportscars.com/foto/05/m...05_07_1024.jpg

http://www.autogaleria.pl/tapety/img..._2002_01_b.jpg

http://www.fastcoolcars.com/images/w...orvette101.jpg

http://www.strangevehicles.com/image...ent/106574.jpg

http://www.classicalpontiac.com/arti...a/images/1.jpg

Just got the engine running 100% effective at 2:00am last night after spending 2 weeks trying to find a misfire. *** damn she is loud. Tonight, she goes out hunting.

 

Where was the misfire?

 

The optical disk in the distributor had a scratch on it. I have a lifetime warranty on it at autozone. Just exhanged it and wallah, fired up .

On a break from work right now, gonna head out and adjust the valves and im gonna take it back to work with me .

 

pasky, you're running a real distributor on that LT1, instead of the optispark? How did you do that?

 

Im running an opti....

 

I would break that motor in first before you go WOT. You would hate to see all that hard work go up in a puff of smoke.

 

Haha, I know, im basically saying...im back in business .

 

oh okay got yeah. You didn't mention an opti in the original post so I was curious. I've seen pictures of one distributor conversion, but it was a LOT of work.

Sick motor though The CC306 is a good cam choice for a 383 stroker motor. I might have missed it, but what heads are you running?

EDIT: Saw your sig. Those are okay flow numbers, if you were interested in a little more flow, lloyd elliot could probably finish those off for you and get ~280 cfm. I've seen several sets come from him at those numbers, which is a good deal, since he only advertises 275.

 

nice good to hear your up and running...

but doesnt that cam have too much exhaust duration for those heads?? they flow good enough on the exhaust side to allow for a single pattern cam or a smaller split duration

 

Little secret....peak flow means jack ****,

 

Actually, the CC306 is not a good cam choice for a 383 stroker motor with a high flowing intake. This cam was the shiznit about 4 years ago but now it has been proven to be a slug. I'm not talking out my **** either. I had 4 cams in my stock 350 shortblock. One was a CC306-like cam (but more aggressive due to the 230 Xtreme intake lobe). Later I put in a manly Joe Overton cam. Holy crap. What a difference. The CC306 (even my beefed up one) was nothing in comparison to newer cam technology. The CC306 is outdated, has crappy lobes, and not-so-good IVO/IVC, EVO/EVC events. Furthermore, in a 383 I would use at least a mid 230 duration cam. You'll get much much better midrange response from a cam that takes advantage of new technology. The difference was night and day in my 350. The CC306 comes on way late. I went to a bigger cam with newer technology and it actually came on much earlier than the CC306. Both cams were fully degreed in and I blueprinted the springs too so each one was setup great.

Tim

 

Sure if you like paying $400 for a joe overton cam, be my guest. I called joe overton, I also called Brett bower, way ahead of you, im not paying the cost of their "custom cams" when I had the cc306 lying around. Everyone seems to be an expert these days. I don't even remember asking for opinions on my build up here.

 

Hey, while were at it, lets hop on the band wagon

 

I didn't know there was an optical disk that if scratched, would cause a misfire. I will have to research this and check my 94 and 95Z28's as one of them has a small misfire problem even with new opti etc. installed.

 

Yup, I took a picture of it.

 

what about a TPI cam tho... that would be too much duration wouldnt it? i was thinking 230/236 comp cams extreme energy grind for a superram 383 but might go on a TPI big tube system

 

lmfao thats too funny. nice build pasky when you gonna have some dyno number's or et's?

 

Raced my cousin last night from a roll (he has a auto 2000 ls1)

I wouldn't even call it a race, thats how bad he got it

I asked him to take a drive with me out to loop 20 here incase anything went wrong with my car so we get on the loop which is about 3 minutes from my home and he pulls next to me and gives me this grin and I knew he was gonna punch it (we just got on the loop going 35mph). I hear him go WOT and I go into 2nd and do the same, I pulled on his *** so hard, when I got to fourth he was 8 cars behind me (my speedo isn't hooked up yet).

After that, I couldn't get my damn shifter out of 4th gear, it was stuck (didn't even slam it) and I pulled over at the college and let the tranny cool down for a few minutes and still wouldn't come out, so I pulled the seat back and kicked it loose, that worked. No problems again either, weird fluke.

Anyways, we go driving on the loop and little more and start heading back and he punches it and I let him get two cars on me (he said we were goin about 55-60mph), I punch it and I caught up like nothing and was pulling on him hard again.

I still have a misfire somewhere too, not as bad as it used to be but I have a feeling my ICm is getting heat soaked (just bought a new one, gonna put it on tonight) car runs great until the engine heats up and it starts to sputter.

Either way, not bad for "inferior cam technology" eh?

Im pretty confident I got a 11 sec car now.

Think my cousin goes by mauri under ls1 or ls2.com I forgot. Fun stuff.

 

It may be time for an alternative to the opti. With the power and RPM's you are running I would look into the two distributor-less kits that have for the LT1 now. They don't have spark problems past 4k rpm and $500 or so can net you great results. You have one helluva monster there and I think a new ignition would yeild awesome results.

 

I have the same ignition problem. It's coming with those ICMs, I replaced mine but still have heat soak issues.

And I wasn't talking about "peak flow" all by itself. I'm aware that it doesn't mean everything. but you could get better numbers all around on those heads.

The 306 is a great cam for a 383 stroker LT1, especially for the price.

 

I hear you man, dont take what I said the wrong way, mid lift numbers are what counts, in actuallity flow numbers dont mean anything as all flow benches are different.


As far as the opti, I may just do that. I think im gonna take some washers and space the coil off the drivers side head.

 

Sounds like something I'd do...

 

There's a few pretty nice coil on plug setups around. I've already been looking into one for my LT1.

 

[Cocky LS1 guy] No way a LT1 can run 11's [/Cocky LS1 guy]




Good stuff man, sounds like quite a runner, can't wait to see the timeslips

 

Hahaha stupid 346 cid engine. Bow to our 350 cubes!!!!

Yeah pasky, I get yeah. That's what I did to my ICM, and I still have heat soak issues, I'm going to try it with the coil itself next. I couldnt get the whole bracket off, so I just spaced the icm away from the heatsink a little bit.

I need to get in there with some washers and kick some ICM/coil ***.

 

$400? rofl. You're smoking crack. I paid nowhere near that much. I paid about $50 more than a CC cam ... and that $50 was very well spent in not only my long discussions with Joe - but also in my timeslips. Not many stock shortblocked thirdgens at full weight that have run mid 11's naturally aspirated. Like I said - I had 4 cams in my stock shortblock ... and have about 10 other cam swaps for other people. An expert? Not really. Knowledgeable? Heck yea. The CC306 is a slug cam compared to technology that now exists. It's old school. Can you run fast with it? Yes. Can you run faster with a different cam? Yes.

Tim

 

Well said man. That cam is way outdated man. Pasky you seem to be a cool guy but listen to yourself, your trying to justify being cheap isn't gonna help. Many 306 guys are fast, but you are definately leaving alot of power on the table. Otherwise good job on the buildup....congrats that its running well now...and get that thing to the track and let us know how it turns out. Oh BTW its "BRET BAUER" not Bower.

 

How is he trying to justify being cheap? If I had a CC306, that just happened to be lying around the garage, I'd use it too...

Sure, he would go much faster if he installed a Joe Overton camshaft... and he'd go even faster than that, if he swapped the entire engine in favor for a 572-bbc.

Considering what he was able to accomplish so far, ya gotta give him two thumbs up...

 

Well..he had a CC306 because he bought it a couple months ago...so its not like it was free. No offense here...its not really him being cheap I guess. He was stubborn and wouldn't buy a custom cam because cam designers wouldn't tell him the specs of the cam before he bought it. I tried to emphasize that he didn't need to know the specs of the cam before he bought it. Like Tim said...a good custom cam can be had for about $50 more than a CC cam and it will perform much better. Oh and I love the mentality that just swapping in a 572 BBC BOAT ANCHOR would just make it faster. lol. Not necessarily....but it would def cost more than the $50 it costed for a custom cam. I am not putting him down here...we have been through this in other posts...what he does is not my business. i was just agreeing with Traxion in this matter. For me the $50 extra for a custom cam is reasonable for 20+hp and a broader powerband.... I said good luck to him, and congrats.

 

Another anology;

My 86-Iroc is still running it's early 70's pre-historic 454 "Police Interceptor" camshaft. A few years back I was able to make 'one' pass with her at Raceway (due to my reluctance to install a rollbar), and she ran an 11.4. There is absolutely no question in my mind that she's running in the 10's now.

Can she squeeze more power on the dynojet using today's technologically proven camshafts? She just might. Do I want to throw that much money towards a technologically proven camshaft that won't make that much of a difference (as compared to my ancient piece) on the street/track? Not necessarily...

 

Now I'm not taking any sides here because all of those that have posted in this little cat fight are good, knowledgeable people but Jesus H Christ...pasky didn't ask for opinions, he didn't ask for people to critique his setup. He worked with what he had. Maybe he didn't want to spend the $$$. I could spend $$$ on a 200 shot nitrous kit and make power...doesn't mean that's my goal or in my budget.

So basically some of you guys need to come off your high horses and just congradulate the guy on a nice setup that will probably net him the results he wants

 

You guys are missing the entire point. My initial comment wasn't even toward pasky. It was toward urbanhunter44. He said ... and I quote ...

By making that comment he opened the door for me to comment. I don't agree with him. So, I expressed my opinion. It was pasky who then came out of nowhere slinging.

Tim

 

Whoops, I miss that part.

Well....um....well....****...I don't know....you *****! Yeah that's it! You *****!

 

If you saw the reciept for what I paid, you'll see im not being cheap.

Yes it is $400 is you get a billet core. Don't give a **** what you say, everyone always says something is better, right now the latest crave is Xe grinds.

Traxion:

You exclaim that your joe overton cam kicks in faster, of course it does, he uses small duration cams and lots of lobe seperation. It doesn't have much up top, my **** peaks around 6100 and power only drops off about 15-30 hp by 6900 so what is your point? The power band on this damn cam is pretty flat when it begins to peak. I explored my options and once again im not being cheap, I had the cam and its proven reliable and worthy, its not because im cheap.

And yes, it is an excellent choice for a 383, especially if you want to add spray. If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

 

Well, now you've proved you have no clue. My Lethal EFI cam had duration much larger than the CC306, it's LSA was a lot smaller (less LSA), and the lift was much bigger. It was everything opposite of what you just said. You have no clue. My Lethal EFI cam made a CC306 cam look like a joke. You may now go back to your regularly scheduled program of not knowing a darn thing. Bye bye now.

You're still missing the point and coming down hard on me. I never called you cheap. I never said anything derogatory to you until now. I just said that the CC306 wasn't a great choice like that other guy said. That's it. So stop walking tough and just say ... "yea, it's not the most optimal choice but it was free and maybe later I'll swap it out to something that has more power potential".

This all sux anyhow. The real power is in solid cams. I would never screw with a hydraulic again.

Tim

 

Wow...don't get hard Peter..I was only playing. I was just agreeing with Traxion on the idea of the CC306 not being near the best choice for a cam. You guys want to get mad because we don't agree with what you are saying....do i care. NOPE. I know for a fact that a 383 isn't cheap..but I would spend the money on the best cam i could for a combo and get the most out of the shortblock I spent so much on. I guess thats just me then. You came out acting like a "Know it all"....super try and act like you know everything..and your car will get beat, plain and simple. Just throwing suggestions your way....and by the way....I know a few people personally one is even a cam designer, and the other is a head porter that refused to work with you because of your cocky, arrogant attitude...that and you think you need specs for a custom cam b4 you pay for it or wanna tell someone else how to do there job. My suggestions don't mean dick, and you probably don't care about what I am gonna say...but some people do know what they are talking about...and you would learn alot more by listening instead of arguing. You have helped me out in posts before and I have tried to help you...but wow, calm down and take some constructive critisism. Like I said good luck with your car, hit the track and let us know how you do man. I'm out..Later. ALso check the sig...I got a XE cam...but I am not a big fan. LE2 H/C coming soon..

 

I didn't come out like a know it, it seems Traxion did. I never claimed this was the best and once agian im not ignorant, I explored the options first.

And hey buddy, don't really give a **** about those two guys, I know exactly who you are talking about and im not cocky, im far from it, but I don't worship the ground people walk on because of word of mouth. Your damn ****en right I won't pay for something I don't know what im getting, sorry but thats the way I am, I've told brett several times im cool if thats how he does business and I have no problem with it, im not one of them. His custom cams aren't even so custom if you've seen some of the posts, his lobes he "designs" are available to just about anyone from comp. Im not directing this at you, but don't bring up **** you dont know about. There are two sides to every story and I have no beef against either of the two your speaking of but I have never called them nor labeled them anything and if they think im cocky and wish to call me arrogant, they can blow me.

AI does the better jobs in my opinon

 

I guess its preference really. I have had Lloyd do some heads for me and they came out great for a better price. I know they both do good work. I am not trying to dig up anything here...just trying to let you know how you come off to people when you say what you say man, thats all. I come here to help when I can, and if I need help I ask. I was agreeing with Tim, and also offering a suggestion man. As for Lobe designs, yes they are available to everyone...but it takes a talented person to choose the right combination. Thats how cam designing works with lobe designs...this doesn't just go For Bret either. They didn't use the terms I used for you, I just summed it up for everyone man, they didn't seem like you were that bad of a guy..but maybe we agreed. Just seems like you prefer to argue, rather than learn. I wish you luck man. Also I would like to appologize for speeking for others, I was out of line...I just wanted you to understand how you come off to people around. .....

Now to more important stuff....have you dyno'd and tuned your car yet? How did it turn out? Your combo is relatively similar to one that I was building.

Kyle