So im in wisconsin on 26 and some punk *** in a pulls up to me in a early 90s eclipse, good shape i might add. Well Im minding my own business and I see him laughing at my car, and hes revving at me and his bov and fart pipe snarlling. Well I get pissed, bring the motor to 2k light turns green blam blasted his *** bad. Oh and now he wont pull up next to me, Im thinking whats wrong cant laugh now can you. I dont understand why people are like this but none the less its always best to put them in there place.

 

Nice kill. whats your mods? was it a gst or a gsx?

 

Couldnt tell, The only mods that I have done to my car is an slp exhaust. Dont really know if my millage has to do with any thing.

 

My bad I ment to quote your reply. I do know if you do work to those cars they will haul ***.

 

I had an Eclipse rev its engine at me but it was only a gs and it was riced out to the max so i didnt run him. Saw him later down the road run a riced golf and it was pretty damned funny lol

 

That guy must have been a crappy driver.

stock gsx = stock 350 tpi
stock gst = stock 305 tpi 5 speed

 

And how did you come up with that? Seeing as the only difference is that one is AWD and the other is FWD.

 

stock gsx = stock 350 tpi

I don't think so! I use to race my cousin in his 96 GSX back in 96 when it was new with my 305 TPI. First race I won beat him by a fender. Second race he won cause I let him have the kick he could only pull a fender on me also. My car only had a catback thats it! GSX stock was only 210hp.

 

Yeah, maybe at a mile above sea level or something. On a really cold day.

 

In which case the boosted car would have had the advantage and the camaro is faster...

 

First of all gst spin out there tires stock because they are fwd second
305tpi vs gst
1988 Pontiac Firebird Trans Am GTA 7.4 15.9
1990 Mitsubishi Eclipse GS-T 7.4 15.9

hey look they pull the same times

for gsx vs 350tpi
1987 Pontiac Firebird Trans Am GTA (auto) 7.1 15.5(a little on the high side)
1990 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 6.5 15.0
1990 Mitsubishi Eclipse GSX 6.9 15.2
1995 Mitsubishi Eclipse GSX 6.4 14.9
pretty much equal. this is all straight from http://www.albeedigital.com/supercou...0-60times.html

yes i know that it is off a little but that site is fairly acurate.
there is some physical evidence other then us just running our mouths

did you race from a roll when you raced your cousins gsx because the major requirement of good times in a gsx is a good launch
second. yes you have more hp then your cousin but he also weighs less. its called hp to weight ratio. you said yourself you beat him by a fender sounds like to me a drivers race


3rd gens are nice cars i almost bought one. i needed the awd for winter. can't afford 2 cars since im a poor college student

 

350 tpi's run 14-14.5 stock they have 24Xhp and 34Xtq stock compared to the 200 of the gsx/gst which only run flat 15's stock

 

you guys always do this. is it really that hard to belive? no why, because any one can throw missmatched parts at a car and make it slower. I know a guy locally who has built several dsms and all were going to be soooo fast not one yet. now there is another guy who has one and yes his really moves!!

it's the same for all cars. wrong parts togeather bad tune ect. can make the car slower than stock easy

 

to be exact it was a 90-91 ecpipse possibly a 1st gen eclipse.

 

90-91 Eclipse is a first gen. There have only been four generations now, including the very newest that I haven't even seen on the streets yet.

 

you know what i have heard about those cars running low 14s stock they exist in dsm aswell but the thing is how often does it happen.

but third gens beat everything on the street hell there faster then lt1

 

Umm ok man, I never said my car is a race car and I never said I can beat 4th gens, Vettes and all that. Maybe it was just luck then with my 305 boat anchor turd gen right.

 

My 3rd gen beats LT1 4th gens If I get my new transmission and a tune in before the next track date, I should be beating mild LS1 4th gens

I think you meant it was definitley a 1st gen and possibly a 90-91...not the other way around because like Stu said, the first gens were 90-94. Nice cars, I was looking at them before I bought my bird. Can definitely be made fast, as long as its a 5spd. The stock autos really kill those cars quite a bit. I'm sure they can be rebuilt/replaced, but the 5spds are much better stock for stock. Easy to make em a bit faster with a cheap MBC too.

 

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I wouldn't doubt it, those Eclipses are so so. If you 305 is in good running order with a 5 speed, no wonder it took him. As cars get older with factory turbos, they start to loose power, thus not making factory spec horsepower. Yes Stu we all know your honda had a bunch of miles and a turbo.

 

But you also apparently don't know that I was making way lower horsepower than I should have been with the boost level that I was running. Just because the motor was old though, not the turbo.

 

so great! i bet it felt sooo great to put him in his place like that!

 

I once raced an eclipse on the freeway that kept trying to push me into racing.
it wasn't much of a race.
we where driving around from 60-90 or so for our races
everytime I kept pulling on him and the sad part was I was in the wrong gear.... 4th
3rd would of pulled all the way up to just a tad over 90mph

and most the time I let him get the jump on me and just easily reeled him back in. but at least he was being good sport and didn't get pissed and kept on racing

 

Since we're talking about Eclipses at the moment, now would be a perfect time to mention a new world record.

http://www.shepracing.com/

John Sheppard is awesome.

 

WOW
That eclipse looks totally stock with a few stickers!

 

i was waiting for Stu or someone to mention John Sheppard.....If I hadnt seen my Mustang passing by that day, I would be the proud owner of a damn WICKED 91 AWD Talon that would have ran some low 13's or 12's and with the mods I had planne,d owulda been a solid 11 second monster....but Alas, I endedu p in a 5.0....funny how I was going to choose a cheap car to mod anyways ....just ended up with my old camaros sworn enemy

 

Shepard's GSX is definitely awesome, but Rick Head's 89 Camaro is simply unbelievable;

1989 Camaro
427-sbc TT
7.66 @ 186-mph
Street Legal, w/out slicks

 

Is that time without slicks? That's pretty impressive.

 

world's fastest drag radial car, IIRC.

 

What kind of 60's does he pull? If you look at the time of the Eclipse and compare it the the time of that car, it doesn't look like the big block is spinning off the line and getting traps that are higher than what the ET should be. You know what I mean?

 

what does IIRC mean?

 

IIRC = If I Recall Correctly

 

it doesn't look like the big block is spinning off the line

Look again Stu thats one of those new 427 small blocks. Big block power with small block weight! Just read a article comparing the two the small block beat the big block by 10hp throughout the power band and its a 100lbs lighter. Killer combo indeed!

 

I have never known what displacement they actually draw the line between big and small blocks.

See it says 427 sbc. There is a 'b' in there. Big starts with 'b'....

 

big block vs small block isn't about displacement but more the actuall size of the block itself.

a ls1 has been made into a 427 it's still a small block but then there is the 396 big block as well

don't forget about the 400 it was a small block also but yet still larger displacement then that 396

mopar has a 383 big block if I remember right.


and some motor companies don't really have a big block or small block like the old pontiac motors being that most all of their engines used just about the same block


you take a small block 400 and put it next to a big block 396 your going to know the difference
while the 400 puts out more cubes the 396 is going to be huge and make that 400 look tiny

 

Like the difference between the Ford 5.0 and the Ford 4.6? I've seen a picture of them next to each other and the 5.0 is way smaller. Makes me think about putting a supercharged one into a Miata....

 

Yep. But don't forget about the size of the 396's cylinder heads, they're huge. The 400 small block, on paper, should be making more torque than the 396 big block (more cubic inches means more torque, of course)... but because of the superior head flow found on the 396 big block, even with 4 cubic inches less, the big block dominates. Especially in the long run.

... but hey, I'm biased.

 

isn't one of the big block really mislabled?
I think it was the the 396 or something that really was a 402?

 

Yep. If I remember accurately, and I may not, the original 396 design was dropped for some reason, and a new big block motor was designed to take it's place. The new motor actually displaced 402 cid, but it retained the 396 name for marketing reasons.

And yes, the difference between a big block chevy (BBC) and a small block chevy (SBC) is about external engine size.

In the old days BBCs were almost always bigger displacement wise. Nowadays they have 454 SBC blocks for sale from summit racing. However the biggest blocks are still, and always will be, BBCs.

 

See it says 427 sbc. There is a 'b' in there. Big starts with 'b'....

LOL!

 

The difference between a big block and small block is the bore spacing. All small blocks have the same dimension from centerline to centerline of the bores. Same goes for a big block. It just so happens that the external size of the engine varies as well. The external size of all small blocks is the same and same goes for the big block. However, the technical difference is in the bore spacing and has nothing to do with the dimensional aspects of the motor.

That is why they ask the cliché question to judge someones hot rodding knowledge

"What is the difference between a 400 small block and a 400 big block?"

The answer is bore spacing.

The reason why some small displacement motors are larger in size than larger displacement motors is due to engine configuration. The Ford 4.6 is an overhead cam motor and the 5.0 is a pushrod single cam motor. Overhead cam motors are much larger in size than pushrod motors. The LS7 pushrod small block is smaller in size than a 4.6 SOHC.

 

That i did not know...

How do they compare in weight?

 

Not sure about that but most of todays aluminum motors are in the 400 to 500 lb range.

 

and I might add,

stock gs = iron duke f-body

 

very true

but the gs's suck as a performance car especially the 1.8 sohc with a whopping 92hp. at least with a 3rd gen that comes with a iron duke you can swap out the engine. the gs are just screwed they cost to much to turn into a turbo model. and if you turbo the gs itself it will never have the same potential as the turbo models