granted these damn imports are getting turboed and things like that.. but seriously. these cars are running 210 hp stock...
my car stock was....150hp with 240lbs
ive done my share of cheep tricks to it to cause "more power"
so has my buddy however he has bought a little bigger turbo..
i will tell my little additions and sneaky cheep tricks i soppose cause well lets face it they are the basics wich we all should all know
Headers, duals 2 1/4 inch pipes
Cut off a/c unit
smog emmisions deleated including belt to smog pump.
removal of muffler
k&n air filter
Accel plug wires
so instead of running 4 total belts im running 2
which per belt is roughly 5% hp gain.. isnt much but hell its cheep
so im running about 180 hp to maybe 200 if im lucky with about 300lbs to 320 lbs
he with the bigger turbo, oh 220 its nothing too big, but however he says this thing is fast.. i dont believe it, every one knows the reason why people make V-8's its to put the damn I-4 in thier place. so anyways. back to what i was saying. what do y'all think im gonna take him or am i gonna look silly?

I think your gonna get killed! I ran a stock GST when I had a 305 TPI with more hp than you. It was a pretty even race but I could tell when we got into higher speeds that the GST was slowly pulling away.

An to add to that he's got a turbo upgrade! You will lose BADLY!

He will most likely stomp the hell out of your car.

Those turbo DSM's are very easy to make fast.

You're probably going to lose, but race him anyway and post the results.

So you basically have a full exhaust, some stuff deleted from the engine bay and a filter. Sorry dude but you aren't making 200 hp. The LG4 was anemic and no amount of bolt-ons is going to give you 50 hp. If your engine is still making the same amount of power it was when it was bone stock (I.E. wear hasn't decreased it's power output any) I'd guess you at 175 tops. Flywheel HP.

A boosted Eclipse with a properly tuned larger than stock turbo is going to walk all over you. You might have a slight chance from a dig since he's FWD.

You're a mother ****ing idiot and you will deserve to lose as badly as you will.

No reason to surgar coat it stu. And yes, he will lose badly.

I'm just gonna be repeating everything everyone else said. I'm with Stu on this one.

GST's and GSX's are respectable machines, definetly not your average fart canned accords.

A bigger turbo. HE HAS A BIGGER TURBO!!!!!!
(see above) The smaller turbo was fast, now its bigger. Logic should come into play here...and please, please don't tell him after he beats you that you took some belts off to unleash the LG4 beast.

Usually I tell people on-line to get new friends when their friends sound stupid. In this case, I want you to get new friends because I feel for the guy you are talking about. Good luck.

I raced my buddies 99 eclipse turbo and he had a ton of bolt ons and **** and i was in my 79 trans am. my T/A just has headers exhaust k&n and a gear. my motor is rated at 185hp at the flywheel and i ****ed his car up bad. and in my opinion my trans am is slow as ****

99 eclipse turbo and he had a ton of bolt ons

Stickers and spoilers don't count as bolt ons!

yeah well what the hell are you driving for a 3rd gen??? believe it or not my car has less than 100,000 miles dick head. and if you wanna talk smack you jack..... you go buy a 3rd gen then start flippin talk smack. because as it stands you have the slowest 454 ever built.

im not saying i was going to smoke the living hell out of him i never said that. for one. i know my car isnt the fastest never said it was fast. for two, i realize its a bigger turbo, however when he talked to me he said it was just a tad bigger than OEM. i know these machines that they are building are fast, hell i lost to a 91 Eclipse GS-X. i do realize how quick they are so i appologise if i made my self seem like a ignorant bastard, but it was a question oh to qoute my buddy, the kid doesnt know how to drive the car. i dont know, i will post the results tho, and if i win, stu i want a complete appology from you.

yeah well what the hell are you driving for a 3rd gen??? believe it or not my car has less than 100,000 miles dick head. and if you wanna talk smack you jack..... you go buy a 3rd gen then start flippin talk smack. because as it stands you have the slowest 454 ever built.

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH! YOU GONNA GET IT!

**** off you dumb bastard. If you win or even come close it's because he got a blood clot and died before he let his clutch out. How's that for you?

This is gettin' good!

Popcorn anyone?

The only way you will win is if he screws up. my guess is he has a 14b turbo from a 1g dsm since 2g dsms come with the smaller t-25. and you are ignorant for saying those comments. not everyone want a v8.

I'm going to go with the latter...

The best thing about this post is that I can keep reading it over and over and it is still so effing' funny.

It goes through technical help, to insults, then some help, then some smack talking, then stu's wonderful missives, and then back to the death threats.

I love this board.

Here is an idea for the author of this topic.
Take pride in your car. You own it, you love it, and you drive it for a reason. But never let pride of ownership blind you to the fact of the numbers that your car pumps out.

I love my RS. But an L03 isn't exactly a good example of a v8.

Drop a crate motor, then import hunt.

You know I've actually had more than one person threaten to kill me before, and they were all local too. I don't know why they took it so personal, all they had to do was follow the rules to avoid being banned by me. Just like if I were put back on probation for telling that **** kicker to "F" off I'd totally understand.

I'm gonna have to grab a quote out of all of this bull.

BTW it's spelled cheap.

Alright look dumbass. Check my signature. My '94 would have raped you to hell and high water and you woulda cried so loud MY mother would have hit you.

And since I doubt you know anything about me, maybe you didn't know that I'm about to buy one of two Camaros and put a 400hp motor in it? LOL <--That's what I sold my T/A for btw.

I used to own an LG4 car just like yours.. it was pathetically slow.

Go get raped by the import douche bag.

i love my car your right, its probally the only thing that i enjoy the most. i understand that ALOT of cars are faster its just how they are.. i have never said my car is the hp king, never said i would smoke anything, i said would i beat it.. i didnt ask for comments that were like stu's who looks a 25 year old virgin that lives with his parents, you gotta remeber, im 18, my buddy hes 18.. this has been my car for 2 years. NEVER HAVE I ONCE threatend stu.. however i just said if i beat him, which racing is a little mind set mostly power tho, i wanted a appologie from stu. thats all, i'll post the results in a month or two, my buddy lives in kc, and im up in iowa now.

I think we need to ban this kid. He has no real intellect when it comes to his own car let alone other cars, AND he's just on here talking "smack" to other members. Mind you, they are saying things that are negative yes, but if you ask such a stupid question, you will either get A) a stupid answer or B) stu telling you you're a waste of bag skin and should just walk out into traffic. Take this how you will, but you're retarded dude. *slap*

i was just asking, like i said, i have raced other kids in the state of iowa.. yank i know im sorry, ive held my own, ive done over 135 in plenty of chases with friends.. but it was a question, im sorry that i sounded retarted, ok, i know what i need to do with my car which im working on 2 grand to buy a 350 ls1 motor from a friend i know.. but if i do that i gotta get sub frame connectors, and then the tranny to hold it. i understand that the LG4 motor is a piece of junk and should be a boat ancor, NEVER HAVE I ONCE SAID IT WAS A FLIPPIN 13 second car. i know what im talking about with cars, and i know what i should do. IM SORRY IF I CAME OFF LIKE A DUMB.... BUT YOU KNOW IM SORRY, NEVER HAVE I ONCE SAID STU IM GOING TO KILL YOU, **** THAT ISNT ME, I DONT DO THAT. RELAX, CALM DOWN. i actually use this site for helping things, such as... A) tranny conversions B) and some help on what i need to do with my suspension. i appologise about the idiot post, but i am a hard core believer in V-8's i will be the 60 year old driving a gas guzzler V-8 because there is nothing better than hearing the sound of it.

I was going to quote the above but then I vomited all over my keyboard.

Seriously though, I understand that your sorry for people perceiving you as being ignorant and blind in your first post, but your apologies share many similarities with the original. 135 mph in several chases...those are the kind of things that aren't even worth mentioning as a credit to your driving worth. They just make you sound young. And Dumb.

by the way guy im only 18 so yes im young.. and dumb... and i admit it all the time, why the hell do you think im not able to drive to school events such as our job sites.

lock this thread please

I told ya you were going to get it!

This thread made my day. Thank you!

ok, please no more, i'll post the results, i loose i loose, i win i win, i'll tell ya, im a very open guy, im not as stupid as you all think, but the way the entire thred came off i sound like i am a idiot and shouldnt reproduce, sorry..
just wait a few weeks.. you all will read which car is better, and if its not my car then i'll say damn that 4 cyl has got some *****, and congrats you finally found a car that will beat mine.. im not going to race my bike vs his car cause thats just not right, my bike weighs 650lbs, and is a crap ton faster than the car so to say that is unfair. but ok
JUST WAIT NO MORE THREDS PLEASE IM TIRED OF BEING PUT DOWN FOR A STUPID COMMENT THAT CAME OUT OF MY MOUTH IM SORRY PLEASE STOP

Umm Its spelled Threads not Threds.
I just thought I would help you out there buddy.

Listen guy, you gotta understand that imports can be fast, and that your car isn't fast. Once you understand that, you're good to go. Now, there are LOTS of things you can do to make your car faster, and there are guys here hitting low 13s on 305s. mw66nova comes to mind.

My advice is to learn about your car, and then ask questions on certain subjects you don't understand. Don't just randomly post a thread about how imports suck. That's asking to get bashed in, even by some of the most die hard of GM owners (I've personally never owned anything but a V8 powered GM car).

Check out the Tech/General engine section, and the FAQ boards. You'll learn alot. There's also a few good tech articles linked on the main page.

And thanks to Shifty for leaving this open for so long, so that we may educate the young one

Sure. Educate the kid, don't bash him.

He's got a V8 and testosterone running through his veins. Can you blame him.

He doesn't know better. The only ones that look like idiots are the ones bashing him.

Who gives a rat's ***.

You've got ripped in this post, but justifiably so. You will probably get beaten. I share some of your sentiments towards 4 cyls and imports, but to assume all of them are prey for a bolt-on LG4 305 is absurd.


If this kid truly has upgraded his turbo and whatnot, you will get totally destroyed.

If he's basically stock (which I suspect he is), he's basically got a high 14 second car, and you've got maybe a high 15 second car at best. It would be awesome if you won, but I really don't see it happening without him having problems launching or something. If he's got an auto, that will help make it close, but I still don't see you winning if you're both competent drivers.

The 4 possible routes to victory without you helping your anemic motor or sabotaging his slightly less anemic motor:

1. He really has a GS and simply purchased GS-T badging for his car, which has happened before.

2. You really have an L-69 305 instead of an LG4 305, in which case you could be alright with your mods and have a chance of snatching victory from him, depending on how well you've got your timing and carb dialed in. I've seen an auto LB9 with bolt ons, gears and sticky tires put 2 or 3 cars on a 90s 5 speed GS-T before, so I'd say an L69 with bolt ons and an auto should have a chance.

3. Some bizarre combination of situations 1 and 2.

4. You purchase a 50 shot or greater nitrous system and have a buddy install it.

I'm not trying to call you stupid or anything because you may already be very mechanically inclined, but try to read around on the site and get educated on this stuff. Lots of good info about your car and people are pretty cool when you're reasonable about things.

And don't see things as "any V8 needs at least a 50 shot to take a GS-T Eclipse". It's just a matter of you having a really really bad V8 with the LG4 305.


EDIT: Just saw that you have a 700-R4!

I think we should give this kid a chance personally. I mean, let's take a look at his points, all of them great by the way.

- He's only 18. How can you expect an 18 year-old to know anything about anything? He's clearly not old enough to take any responsibility for what he does or says.

- He's chased his friends on several occasions up 135 mph. We all know that it takes an extrodinary amount of skill, percision, and nerves of steel to handle a car at that speed. Not to mention magic, since I doubt his car can even come close to that number.

- He doesn't kill people. That's just not him. It's just not a part of his personality to go around threatening and/or killing people.

- He's sorry. He knows that he sounded stupid, so by admitting so, he has lifted all meaning of any previously made statements. In fact, I don't even remember them, do you?

- He's young and has a V8. It's a boat anchor motor that is next to worthless, but that's not the point. When I was 18, I had a reel to reel tape player that I would bring to bass drags at car shows. I know that I didn't have even the whisper of a chance, but that's not the point. The point was that it was MINE, and I had a dream.

So come on fellas, just one more shot? I think so.


Go get 'em tiger! Go get that fried r1ce burner.

You'd be surprised. With the gears that these things come with from the factory, it's just a matter of having enough straight highway, lol.

And you have the slowest Trans Am ever built.

edit: forget it, not worth starting a flame war over

where in Iowa are you from

you don't stand a chance but with my and most of the people on this sight mentoring we my just make that camaro move

I think he needs to lose first, this will humble him. Then he'll be able to see where everybody here is coming from...

84TransAm305:

Here's some required reading for every new thirdgen owner, and a few for LG4 owners in particular:

https://www.thirdgen.org/newdesign/tech/mods2.shtml
https://www.thirdgen.org/tech/mods101.shtml
https://www.thirdgen.org/newdesign/tech/quadrajet.shtml
https://www.thirdgen.org/newdesign/t...lsnorkel.shtml
http://snflupigus.tripod.com/tech/op...tep1/step1.htm Either install the open element as shown here, or use a dual snorkle as shown in the previous article. Your stock air cleaner can barely feed a 4 banger, let alone a V8 - of any displacement.
https://www.thirdgen.org/newdesign/tech/mods3.shtml

When you're done there, check out this board. It will learn so much from looking through here it will astound you:

https://www.thirdgen.org/techbb2/for...?s=&forumid=54

in the future try to keep it under 110 and try to hit the track as much as possible the track is a much better environment for racing

i am not against street racing but when you street race be smart about it don't do it in town, keep the speeds under 110, and when a clear victor is determined let out of the throttle

I'll be in Des Moines from February 26th to March 10th. Please don't kill me while I'm there, my work is paying a lot of money for me to go.

stu i am not trying to pick a fight but you are a little on the extreme side you have to remember he is 18 and like most 18 year old boys is over confident

plus on this sight you are like the rep for tuners like 25thmustang is the rep for mustangs

[QUOTE]Originally posted by stu


- He's chased his friends on several occasions up 135 mph. We all know that it takes an extrodinary amount of skill, percision, and nerves of steel to handle a car at that speed. Not to mention magic, since I doubt his car can even come close to that number.



im sorry guy but i have 3.23 rear gears with the 700R4, i have had well over 15 miles of open high way no traffic.. yes im completely shure my old LG4 has made it to 135, infact i garrentee it. i know what its done..

simple answer your car has prolly 160hp at the wheels.
his has prolly around 200-220hp at the wheels
his car is lighter then yours
and you have to ask if you will win?


sounds ignorant to me.



uh yeah I own a v6 camaro can I well take on a porsche and win?
lets also see the car stock runs what 15's? yours maybe just maybe a high 15 stock
ok so you ahve some VERY basic mods and he has well a larger turbo even if it is just a little larger still can make quite a difference.


so his low 15's have prolly turned into a little better then that and you just might if your a good driver pull of a mid 15...


sure buddy your gonna win. good luck

are you overboring or stroking to get a 350 ls1? if so mind if I ask where you got the parts to overbore or stroke it from?

[QUOTE]Originally posted by 84TransAm305

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im sorry guy but i have 3.23 rear gears with the 700R4, i have had well over 15 miles of open high way no traffic.. yes im completely shure my old LG4 has made it to 135, infact i garrentee it. i know what its done..

I believe you. I've gone 145 in my old stock '96 Integra GSR; but I also know that Honda speedometers are way off at that speed, so I likely wasn't going that fast.

**My last Integra always said I was doing 110 mph through the traps, but my slips always said between 104-106 mph.

Mileage doesn't mean anything, my '98 with a 346ci LS1 has a hair over 110k miles on it and is still a little tiny bit faster than your sub-100k mile car.

Just don't get too cocky about that speedster you have there, telling your friends they finally found something to beat your car with. Have you tried to pass a soccer mom that's in a hurry to pick her kids up from practice in a Honda Odyssey minivan? From the sounds of you claiming to beat everything you've raced so far, you must not have yet.