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Old Mar 29, 2006 | 04:02 AM
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WRX VS Formula

Well tonight I was on my way home from work and just so happend that I was in my formula. I was just planning on going home when a black wrx pulls up. I figured what the hell why not go for it and see what happens. I roll my window down and ask the guy if he wants to go for it and hes game, So I bring my rpms to 2200 and when the lite turns green I let her rip, hes ahead of me by half a car and then I pull on him, had a car and a half on him by 100mph. Well we both slow down and comment on the race, guy was real cool, only mods he had were exhaust and an intake.
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Old Mar 29, 2006 | 10:25 AM
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what do you have done??
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Old Mar 29, 2006 | 10:54 AM
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as for right now I have only an slp cat back exhuast
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Old Mar 29, 2006 | 11:46 AM
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cool man, i'd suppose a set of headers next is in line??
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Old Mar 29, 2006 | 11:50 AM
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sorry but you need more mods than that to beat a wrx sti

or the sti guy is a terrible driver
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Old Mar 29, 2006 | 12:39 PM
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sorry but you need more mods than that to beat a wrx sti

or the sti guy is a terrible driver
Id suggest reading better. WRX not WRX STi
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Old Mar 29, 2006 | 01:02 PM
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Old Mar 29, 2006 | 01:21 PM
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He said a WRX, not an STi.

Good kill!
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Old Mar 29, 2006 | 01:41 PM
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The WRX cars ive seen run in the 14.1-14.5 range. Really good kill.
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Old Mar 29, 2006 | 05:07 PM
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The WRX is no slouch. 227hp AWD really makes them accelerate hard. It doesnt take much at all to get them to 60 in under 5 sec with bolt ons. Your car must be pretty potent for a 305. good kill
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Old Mar 29, 2006 | 05:47 PM
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The WRX cars ive seen run in the 14.1-14.5 range. Really good kill.
If WRX's are running low to mid 14's (stock or slightly modded) there's no way in h*ll that 305, with those mods, could pull off #'s like that.
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Old Mar 29, 2006 | 06:02 PM
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Originally Posted by freestylzz
If WRX's are running low to mid 14's (stock or slightly modded) there's no way in h*ll that 305, with those mods, could pull off #'s like that.
The 305 must of had a good driver, and maybe the WRX did not.
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Old Mar 29, 2006 | 07:10 PM
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i ticked off a 14.3 with my camaro when i had a 305 T5 in it. Only mods were shortys, and flomaster exhaust. So its possible for him to have taken him, but yes if it was an STI you would have had no chance.

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Old Mar 29, 2006 | 07:58 PM
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i ticked off a 14.3 with my camaro when i had a 305 T5 in it. Only mods were shortys, and flomaster exhaust. So its possible for him to have taken him, but yes if it was an STI you would have had no chance.

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No that was exactly what was supposed to happen... Launch disadvantage, then overtaken,, then you pass him,, etc.. both cars are even..
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Old Mar 30, 2006 | 02:14 AM
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first off it wasnt an sti hell theres not a chance in hell I could touch that car with only an exhuast lol. Headers are next inline just not sure what type. It was a rush and I was supprised I got his a**, I only have 19 thousand original miles so that I would think my car a fresh 305. You guys will def. see me at third gen fest Im dying for it to get here! Thanks for the responses.
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Old Mar 30, 2006 | 01:51 PM
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i have a similar story to yours in my l98 car. the wrx is fast off the line but i pulled a good 3-4 cars by 90mph
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Old Mar 30, 2006 | 08:28 PM
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iroc man you should head down to seattle and we can run em
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Old Mar 30, 2006 | 10:37 PM
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if your talkin to me.... im not at all set up to run with an ls1, but nice try lol
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Old Mar 30, 2006 | 11:18 PM
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what u dynoed sidewayz28

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Old Mar 31, 2006 | 12:13 AM
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no clue yet. not geting it dynoed til the cam + 100 shot this summer
but once i got all my bolt ons in i got a little tune from the guy who installed it. its running pretty good
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Old Mar 31, 2006 | 01:04 AM
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what size cam u going with. I have a choice of getting comp cam si4 224/228 .581/.588 114 or futral f10 cam ( 228/228 .591/.591 114). Heads are going to be etp 215 64cc. I might go turbo in the future. But first doing suspension, then 12 bolt, brakes then i mess with the engine.

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Old Mar 31, 2006 | 02:09 AM
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im going with the thunder racing 224/224 .563/.563 114lsa. im keeping stock ls1 heads, besides the springs and pushrods. im guna get an ls2 timing chain and then the NOS 5117 kit and spray a 100 dry shot.
basically im guna be cam only on a stock 10 bolt/ clutch. im guna hope itll hold out. im never guna run the spray unless im on the freeway racing..and hopefully a few track runs. but im more street then strip.
i hope im not the idiot that regrets not going rear end first
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Old Mar 31, 2006 | 02:22 AM
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how bad is ur smog laws. I know couple places that could pass the 228/228 with flying colors. thats y im going with that big of a cam. im getting long tube headers, catted y-pipe and keeping my stock exaust so the cops wont hassle me. i am gonna get either single or dual cutouts not sure. but first my next paycheck is gonna towards my suspension. I hate how the ws-6 handles. this is when i miss my thirdgen the most.
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Old Mar 31, 2006 | 07:46 PM
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Originally Posted by freestylzz
If WRX's are running low to mid 14's (stock or slightly modded) there's no way in h*ll that 305, with those mods, could pull off #'s like that.
305 TPI 5 speeds are in that neighborhood, bone stock. It's really pretty easy to believe.
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Old Mar 31, 2006 | 07:49 PM
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i noticed that alot of people are running WRX's
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Old Mar 31, 2006 | 07:50 PM
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305 TPI 5 speeds are in that neighborhood, bone stock. It's really pretty easy to believe.

<<<< agreed.. They are just as fast as their L98 counterparts,, in some cases faster.
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Originally Posted by '88ina'84Z
i noticed that alot of people are running WRX's

it been awhile but the story was similar.. except we went at it alot longer.

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Old Apr 14, 2006 | 12:23 AM
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yeah I get pulled on by AWD cars all day, but they stop pulling by about 30 mph and they get walked... A friend bought a beaten WRX from an auction for dirt, and they are actually hella fun to drive
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Old Apr 14, 2006 | 09:30 AM
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<<<< agreed.. They are just as fast as their L98 counterparts,, in some cases faster.
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it been awhile but the story was similar.. except we went at it alot longer.

I don't see how the 305 tpi would be faster than the 350 tpi. I can see it being close but no way will it win stock for stock.

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Old Apr 14, 2006 | 12:51 PM
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Originally Posted by EvoTech1
A friend bought a beaten WRX from an auction for dirt, and they are actually hella fun to drive

Why wouldn't they be? Oh yeah, because they don't have a V8.
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Old Apr 14, 2006 | 01:05 PM
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Why wouldn't they be? Oh yeah, because they don't have a V8.
exactly!!! now if they had a v8 they be like a porsche LOL
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Old Apr 14, 2006 | 01:38 PM
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You mean if they had a flat 6 they'd be like Porsche?
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Old Apr 14, 2006 | 02:22 PM
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I don't see how the 305 tpi would be faster than the 350 tpi. I can see it being close but no way will it win stock for stock.

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gears?

If the 305 had somthing healthy like 3.42 and the 350 had 3.08's or worse....
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Old Apr 14, 2006 | 05:27 PM
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I don't see how the 305 tpi would be faster than the 350 tpi. I can see it being close but no way will it win stock for stock.

Zach
A manual transmission makes all the difference in the world.

Think of it this way.

There's only about 5 to 7 tenths difference in the quarter mile between an auto L98 and an auto LB9.

Now, give the LB9 25-35 hp (depending on year, remember the 5 speed LB9s had the L98 cam), about 150 lbs. weight reduction and a 4000+ stall. Seems a little easier to believe now.

Remember that the 5 speed LB9 cars were usually only rated about 5 hp less than the L98 cars. Granted, an L98 has about 45 lb-ft or so on the LB9, but another way to see how this is possible is to remember than the 5 speed LB9 was rated dead even with a 5.0 Mustang GT (220-230 hp, 300ish lb-ft), and only weighed a little more than the GT. And the GT was consistently within driver's margin of an L98 car (i.e. 1-2 tenths).
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Old Apr 14, 2006 | 08:53 PM
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Are you sure the guy was racing?

Those things launch like a *****.
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Old Apr 14, 2006 | 09:09 PM
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not everyone can launch those things.. its not as easy as it sounds. my friends 300+whp stg 4 wrx only has hit low 13' s cuz his 1.9-2.0 60 foot. he should be 1.7's on street tires but cant launch well.

and plus, wrx trannies are weak stock.. so alot of owners dont push them that hard cuz they dont want it to break

You mean if they had a flat 6 they'd be like Porsche?
eh thats right.. ... but i guess with a V8 they'd have porsche like power if not more, and with awd, beable to launch and handle well like a porsche.
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Old Apr 15, 2006 | 11:17 AM
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Those things launch like a *****.

Not if they don't know how to drive it...
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Old Apr 15, 2006 | 12:22 PM
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Does this thread work?
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Old Apr 15, 2006 | 02:55 PM
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I believe it, the WRX's are good off the line but don't really pull much after a certain speed. I raced an STI in my buddy's 99 Ws6 trans am w/ exhaust and I barely pulled on a bone stock STI.
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Old Apr 15, 2006 | 07:33 PM
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Those things launch like a *****.
lol yeah ive known people to break stock wrx trannys at the races... I guess they really are designed to run in dirt.
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Old Apr 15, 2006 | 08:24 PM
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The WRX trannies are kind of weak when it comes to the full on AWD launch. The STis don't seem to have issues though.
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Old Apr 15, 2006 | 09:46 PM
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I believe it, the WRX's are good off the line but don't really pull much after a certain speed. I raced an STI in my buddy's 99 Ws6 trans am w/ exhaust and I barely pulled on a bone stock STI.
Then you suck at driving.

My '94 with just a catback and gears pulled on a stock STI from a roll
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Old Apr 16, 2006 | 04:16 AM
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Then you suck at driving.

My '94 with just a catback and gears pulled on a stock STI from a roll
What kind of tims do you run with that set up? A stock STi should be able to run a solid low 13 in the hands of a good driver. The best time I know of up here was a 13.6 from a guy on my board who gets amazing times out of every car he's ever owned. No one believes him of course.
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Old Apr 16, 2006 | 03:00 PM
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Originally Posted by urbanhunter44
Then you suck at driving.

My '94 with just a catback and gears pulled on a stock STI from a roll

Well my race wasn't from a roll and it's not hard to drive an automatic...racing AWD from a roll...not very impressive..
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Old Apr 16, 2006 | 11:28 PM
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Originally Posted by kylez28
Well my race wasn't from a roll and it's not hard to drive an automatic...racing AWD from a roll...not very impressive..

I hate when people think that a cars drive train determines how it can or can't be raced. Don't be stupid. A 13 second car is a 13 second car.
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Old Apr 16, 2006 | 11:33 PM
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my track has STI's doing 13.0-13.6's... all at 99-103mph dependin on drivers/launch

99-103mph trap speeds are LT1 territory.
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Old Apr 17, 2006 | 07:23 AM
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350 had 3.08's or worse.....

if your gonna type something know something. ALOT OF L98 CARS HAD 3.27 GEARING STOCK. matched with the 3.08 first gear in 700r4 = go go go if it hooks.
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Old Apr 17, 2006 | 07:30 AM
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You mean if they had a flat 6 they'd be like Porsche?
Not if he's referring to the 928......
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Old Apr 17, 2006 | 10:18 AM
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I hate when people think that a cars drive train determines how it can or can't be raced. Don't be stupid. A 13 second car is a 13 second car.

Well then, I guess things like how you LAUNCH and 60 ft. times really DON'T matter after all, huh? I mean, a 13 second car is a 13 second car, regardless if from a roll or a dig, right? Kinda discredits all the arguments people make about how LTR setups will never beat anything decently fast from a roll, cause all of their ET is in the launch.


In your eagerness to slam Kyle, you've thrown logic out the window. Get over it.
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Old Apr 17, 2006 | 10:29 AM
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yeah, i agree.
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Old Apr 17, 2006 | 11:16 AM
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Then by all means, allow me to rephrase.



If you think that taking down an STi from a roll is no big deal, just because it's AWD, you are a clown.
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