WRX VS Formula
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From: Some where in illinois
Car: 1989 Pontiac Formula
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WRX VS Formula
Well tonight I was on my way home from work and just so happend that I was in my formula. I was just planning on going home when a black wrx pulls up. I figured what the hell why not go for it and see what happens. I roll my window down and ask the guy if he wants to go for it and hes game, So I bring my rpms to 2200 and when the lite turns green I let her rip, hes ahead of me by half a car and then I pull on him, had a car and a half on him by 100mph. Well we both slow down and comment on the race, guy was real cool, only mods he had were exhaust and an intake.
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Car: 82 firebird s/e 83 Trans Am
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sorry but you need more mods than that to beat a wrx sti
or the sti guy is a terrible driver
or the sti guy is a terrible driver
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From: Victorville, CA
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Originally Posted by 82knightrider
sorry but you need more mods than that to beat a wrx sti
or the sti guy is a terrible driver
or the sti guy is a terrible driver
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From: Maine
Car: 1989 Formula 350
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The WRX is no slouch. 227hp AWD really makes them accelerate hard. It doesnt take much at all to get them to 60 in under 5 sec with bolt ons. Your car must be pretty potent for a 305. good kill
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From: Toronto CANADA - GM Parts Rep.
Car: 1987 Iroc Z28
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Originally Posted by 89IrocZ350TPI
The WRX cars ive seen run in the 14.1-14.5 range. Really good kill.
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Originally Posted by freestylzz
If WRX's are running low to mid 14's (stock or slightly modded) there's no way in h*ll that 305, with those mods, could pull off #'s like that.
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i ticked off a 14.3 with my camaro when i had a 305 T5 in it. Only mods were shortys, and flomaster exhaust. So its possible for him to have taken him, but yes if it was an STI you would have had no chance.
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Originally Posted by ThirdGenLS1
i ticked off a 14.3 with my camaro when i had a 305 T5 in it. Only mods were shortys, and flomaster exhaust. So its possible for him to have taken him, but yes if it was an STI you would have had no chance.
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No that was exactly what was supposed to happen... Launch disadvantage, then overtaken,, then you pass him,, etc.. both cars are even..
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first off it wasnt an sti hell theres not a chance in hell I could touch that car with only an exhuast lol. Headers are next inline just not sure what type. It was a rush and I was supprised I got his a**, I only have 19 thousand original miles so that I would think my car a fresh 305
. You guys will def. see me at third gen fest Im dying for it to get here! Thanks for the responses.
. You guys will def. see me at third gen fest Im dying for it to get here! Thanks for the responses. Member
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no clue yet. not geting it dynoed til the cam + 100 shot this summer 
but once i got all my bolt ons in i got a little tune from the guy who installed it. its running pretty good

but once i got all my bolt ons in i got a little tune from the guy who installed it. its running pretty good
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what size cam u going with. I have a choice of getting comp cam si4 224/228 .581/.588 114 or futral f10 cam ( 228/228 .591/.591 114). Heads are going to be etp 215 64cc. I might go turbo in the future. But first doing suspension, then 12 bolt, brakes then i mess with the engine.
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im going with the thunder racing 224/224 .563/.563 114lsa. im keeping stock ls1 heads, besides the springs and pushrods. im guna get an ls2 timing chain and then the NOS 5117 kit and spray a 100 dry shot.
basically im guna be cam only on a stock 10 bolt/ clutch. im guna hope itll hold out. im never guna run the spray unless im on the freeway racing..and hopefully a few track runs. but im more street then strip.
i hope im not the idiot that regrets not going rear end first
basically im guna be cam only on a stock 10 bolt/ clutch. im guna hope itll hold out. im never guna run the spray unless im on the freeway racing..and hopefully a few track runs. but im more street then strip.
i hope im not the idiot that regrets not going rear end first
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how bad is ur smog laws. I know couple places that could pass the 228/228 with flying colors. thats y im going with that big of a cam. im getting long tube headers, catted y-pipe and keeping my stock exaust so the cops wont hassle me. i am gonna get either single or dual cutouts not sure. but first my next paycheck is gonna towards my suspension. I hate how the ws-6 handles. this is when i miss my thirdgen the most.
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Car: 1989 IROC
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Originally Posted by freestylzz
If WRX's are running low to mid 14's (stock or slightly modded) there's no way in h*ll that 305, with those mods, could pull off #'s like that.
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Originally Posted by 80smetalfan
305 TPI 5 speeds are in that neighborhood, bone stock. It's really pretty easy to believe.
<<<< agreed.. They are just as fast as their L98 counterparts,, in some cases faster.
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Originally Posted by '88ina'84Z
i noticed that alot of people are running WRX's
it been awhile but the story was similar.. except we went at it alot longer.
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yeah I get pulled on by AWD cars all day, but they stop pulling by about 30 mph and they get walked... A friend bought a beaten WRX from an auction for dirt, and they are actually hella fun to drive
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Originally Posted by Mcdamit
<<<< agreed.. They are just as fast as their L98 counterparts,, in some cases faster.
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it been awhile but the story was similar.. except we went at it alot longer.
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it been awhile but the story was similar.. except we went at it alot longer.
I don't see how the 305 tpi would be faster than the 350 tpi. I can see it being close but no way will it win stock for stock.
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Why wouldn't they be? Oh yeah, because they don't have a V8.
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Originally Posted by zacharyhorn
I don't see how the 305 tpi would be faster than the 350 tpi. I can see it being close but no way will it win stock for stock.
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If the 305 had somthing healthy like 3.42 and the 350 had 3.08's or worse....
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Originally Posted by zacharyhorn
I don't see how the 305 tpi would be faster than the 350 tpi. I can see it being close but no way will it win stock for stock.
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Think of it this way.
There's only about 5 to 7 tenths difference in the quarter mile between an auto L98 and an auto LB9.
Now, give the LB9 25-35 hp (depending on year, remember the 5 speed LB9s had the L98 cam), about 150 lbs. weight reduction and a 4000+ stall. Seems a little easier to believe now.
Remember that the 5 speed LB9 cars were usually only rated about 5 hp less than the L98 cars. Granted, an L98 has about 45 lb-ft or so on the LB9, but another way to see how this is possible is to remember than the 5 speed LB9 was rated dead even with a 5.0 Mustang GT (220-230 hp, 300ish lb-ft), and only weighed a little more than the GT. And the GT was consistently within driver's margin of an L98 car (i.e. 1-2 tenths).
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Are you sure the guy was racing?
Those things launch like a *****.
Those things launch like a *****.
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not everyone can launch those things.. its not as easy as it sounds. my friends 300+whp stg 4 wrx only has hit low 13' s cuz his 1.9-2.0 60 foot. he should be 1.7's on street tires but cant launch well.
and plus, wrx trannies are weak stock.. so alot of owners dont push them that hard cuz they dont want it to break
eh thats right.. ... but i guess with a V8 they'd have porsche like power if not more, and with awd, beable to launch and handle well like a porsche.
and plus, wrx trannies are weak stock.. so alot of owners dont push them that hard cuz they dont want it to break
You mean if they had a flat 6 they'd be like Porsche?
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From: Illinois
Car: 1991 z28 camaro
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I believe it, the WRX's are good off the line but don't really pull much after a certain speed. I raced an STI in my buddy's 99 Ws6 trans am w/ exhaust and I barely pulled on a bone stock STI.
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Originally Posted by 87TPI350KID
Those things launch like a *****.
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Originally Posted by kylez28
I believe it, the WRX's are good off the line but don't really pull much after a certain speed. I raced an STI in my buddy's 99 Ws6 trans am w/ exhaust and I barely pulled on a bone stock STI.
My '94 with just a catback and gears pulled on a stock STI from a roll
Originally Posted by urbanhunter44
Then you suck at driving.
My '94 with just a catback and gears pulled on a stock STI from a roll
My '94 with just a catback and gears pulled on a stock STI from a roll

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Originally Posted by urbanhunter44
Then you suck at driving.
My '94 with just a catback and gears pulled on a stock STI from a roll
My '94 with just a catback and gears pulled on a stock STI from a roll

Well my race wasn't from a roll and it's not hard to drive an automatic...racing AWD from a roll...not very impressive..
Originally Posted by kylez28
Well my race wasn't from a roll and it's not hard to drive an automatic...racing AWD from a roll...not very impressive..
I hate when people think that a cars drive train determines how it can or can't be raced. Don't be stupid. A 13 second car is a 13 second car.
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my track has STI's doing 13.0-13.6's... all at 99-103mph dependin on drivers/launch
99-103mph trap speeds are LT1 territory.
99-103mph trap speeds are LT1 territory.
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350 had 3.08's or worse.....
if your gonna type something know something. ALOT OF L98 CARS HAD 3.27 GEARING STOCK. matched with the 3.08 first gear in 700r4 = go go go if it hooks.
if your gonna type something know something. ALOT OF L98 CARS HAD 3.27 GEARING STOCK. matched with the 3.08 first gear in 700r4 = go go go if it hooks.
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Originally Posted by stu
I hate when people think that a cars drive train determines how it can or can't be raced. Don't be stupid. A 13 second car is a 13 second car.
Well then, I guess things like how you LAUNCH and 60 ft. times really DON'T matter after all, huh? I mean, a 13 second car is a 13 second car, regardless if from a roll or a dig, right? Kinda discredits all the arguments people make about how LTR setups will never beat anything decently fast from a roll, cause all of their ET is in the launch.
In your eagerness to slam Kyle, you've thrown logic out the window. Get over it.






