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Old May 17, 2006 | 12:32 AM
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So far with my pretty stock Iroc ive raced 4 mustangs and beat all of them. I know its nothing to brag about but i love hearing about other camaros beating mustangs so...
2004 GT-4.6-5spd-All Stock ( his moms car lol ) beat by like 4 cars
1995 GT-5.0-5psd-All Stock beat by 1-2 cars
199? GT-?-5spd-Not sure on mods, raced from a roll and pulled a car on him
1995 GT-5.0-5spd-K&N intake, Strait pipes-raced twice, pulled a car on each
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Old May 17, 2006 | 09:50 AM
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Congrats, and be happy about where you live...

The kid in the 04 should have taken you if your only beating stock and near stock 95s by a car, but the fact it was his moms it was probably an auto or he didnt know how to drive it. I'm sure you will run into a worthy one one day, they are out there, but for now you can be proud!
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Old May 17, 2006 | 09:53 AM
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well 95s and 04s are complete dogs sooo...

lol pick on something your own size!
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Old May 17, 2006 | 09:54 AM
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i take it this wasn't in your 89? based on your sig, your 89 isn't stock. very nice kills. got any future plans for the car?
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Old May 17, 2006 | 04:45 PM
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Originally Posted by mw66nova
i take it this wasn't in your 89? based on your sig, your 89 isn't stock. very nice kills. got any future plans for the car?
Yeah it was in my 89' Iroc, it was last summer and all i had then was the exhaust and Venom 400. As far as plans...id like to shoot high and say a LS1 swap or something but for now, i wanna get rid of the TPI and go Mini ram or HSR, aluminum heads, and either bore out my block or go get a 400 SBC and punch it out, and my dream would be to have a T56 6speed in her sometime but i just put 1400 into my tranny so ill deal with the auto for a while.
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Old May 17, 2006 | 05:12 PM
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Everyone is always talking about these T-56 trannys; but no one ever has one. How much are they? Why are they so elusive?
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Old May 17, 2006 | 05:44 PM
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every fourth gen manual and c5/c6 has one... Its just a six speed that can take some power.. 1200 from the junkyard about 3k brand new..
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Old May 17, 2006 | 05:52 PM
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If I'm not mistaken, which, I probably am, the T-56 was available in 4th gen camaros. The T-56's that were available in the '93-'97 F-bodies fit directly into our third gens as they are the same length as a T-5 or 700R4.

I'm not too sure as to why they're so elusive, because you're right, a lot of people intend to get one, but usually settle for a T-5 for money purposes. My camaro certainly does not have enough power to threaten the capabilities of a T-5, so I would be content with that. I did a little research and you can probably find a used T-56 out of a 4th gen at a nearby junkyard for $750-$1000 dollars. But then of course you'll need to get a bunch of additional parts to make the swap.

I've seen a few on here. They're probably readily available and dont cost a great deal more than any other tranny.
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Old May 17, 2006 | 06:29 PM
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Just curious, but how big of a difference did the Venom 400 make?
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Old May 17, 2006 | 06:46 PM
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Originally Posted by hihighost
If I'm not mistaken, which, I probably am, the T-56 was available in 4th gen camaros. The T-56's that were available in the '93-'97 F-bodies fit directly into our third gens as they are the same length as a T-5 or 700R4.

I'm not too sure as to why they're so elusive, because you're right, a lot of people intend to get one, but usually settle for a T-5 for money purposes. My camaro certainly does not have enough power to threaten the capabilities of a T-5, so I would be content with that. I did a little research and you can probably find a used T-56 out of a 4th gen at a nearby junkyard for $750-$1000 dollars. But then of course you'll need to get a bunch of additional parts to make the swap.

I've seen a few on here. They're probably readily available and dont cost a great deal more than any other tranny.
Its a common swap for those who cant afford a new tremac..

Umm, yes it is a more or less direct swap, you need new pedals, a different driveshaft, a crossmember and the cylinder and linkage and stuff there is some cutting involved into the shift plate but yeah.. Any Lt1 car, vette or fbody.. lsx have a different bolting pattern though you could probably modify the belhousing to fit it wouldn;t be worth the effort.
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Old May 17, 2006 | 07:34 PM
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Originally Posted by sasser43
Just curious, but how big of a difference did the Venom 400 make?
Well Venom claims ( with optimal conditions ) up to 25% HP/TQ increase. Now im sure that not true but it dose work. How good compared to other chips im not sure but I really like Viper products and they make some nice stuff for TPI 3RD gens such as injectors, fuel pumps, and even an adjustable MAFs that you can tune your self with a little ****, now how good that even works im not sure but its a cool idea.I think if someone is considering then they should get it, it was my first mod and the best in my opinion.
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Old May 17, 2006 | 08:33 PM
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why would you need to use the T 56 bellhousing couldn't you just bolt the t56 to the t5 bellhousing. then all you would need is the cross member and a few other things.
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Old May 17, 2006 | 11:02 PM
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1) Why would you need new pedals? What does that have to do with anything?

2) I swear that my cousin is always talking about a T-56 and he is a Ford guy. Is there a similarly named Ford tranny? Maybe he was always saying T-5 or T-6.
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Old May 17, 2006 | 11:19 PM
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the t-5 got put in both thirdgens and mustangs. the t56 got put in all 93-2002 f-bodies, i think the mustang might have started getting them at some point so thats probably what he is refering to.

Edit: i just looked it up and i guess they came with the tremec 3650 but the swap tremec t56 is a common one.

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Old May 17, 2006 | 11:35 PM
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Thanks for the info.
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Old May 17, 2006 | 11:43 PM
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mustangs never got the t56's AFAIK but vipers did.
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Old May 18, 2006 | 02:10 AM
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I thought the 03-04 Cobras got T56's?
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Old May 18, 2006 | 02:30 AM
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Originally Posted by stu
Everyone is always talking about these T-56 trannys; but no one ever has one. How much are they? Why are they so elusive?
I have one

And they're expensive
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Old May 18, 2006 | 03:28 AM
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Originally Posted by stu
Everyone is always talking about these T-56 trannys; but no one ever has one. How much are they? Why are they so elusive?
I have a built t-56. just the rebuild kit with high performance stuff cost me 1200 bucks
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Old May 18, 2006 | 08:02 AM
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I thought the 03-04 Cobras got T56's?

Correct. The only difference between the Viper and Cobra's T56 are the two overdrive gear ratios.
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Old May 18, 2006 | 08:32 AM
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I have one

And they're expensive
I have one in my impala
And my C6... the impala one was cheaper
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Old May 21, 2006 | 01:47 PM
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The T56 tranny was unsed in '93 through '02 f-bods (with variations throughout the years), '92 through present vettes (many changes over the years here most notably the transaxle verion in '97), '00 Cobra R, Vipers, '03/'04 Cobras, and current '04 thru '06 GTO's. It is a Borg Warner unit just like the old T5 (same lingo for Stangs and F-bods) and is used by the big three for various applications. GM was the first to use the T56 until Ford requested a version in 2000 and Dodge/Chrysler in '94. Tremec also makes a version of it now for their aftermarket support.
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Old May 21, 2006 | 07:32 PM
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I wish someone would swap a t-56 into a bolt-on L98 and just see how much it helps..
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Old May 21, 2006 | 08:46 PM
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My friend has a near stock 350 TPI with a stock fourth gen T-56 (I think from an LT1 car). We've never taken either of our cars to the track but the car definately feels a bit faster with the 6 speed vs the 700R4.
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Old May 21, 2006 | 09:11 PM
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My friend has a near stock 350 TPI with a stock fourth gen T-56 (I think from an LT1 car). We've never taken either of our cars to the track but the car definately feels a bit faster with the 6 speed vs the 700R4.
Well get that thing to the track!
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Old May 21, 2006 | 09:49 PM
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don't quote me on this but in 98 when the f-body got the ls1 the switched to the less popular Tremec t-56

i think the Borg Warner t-56 was a little stronger

as far as i know the only two differences between the viper t-56 and the camaro t-56 is the bell housing and the viper has more splines on the output shaft.
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Old May 21, 2006 | 10:00 PM
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there are differences between the LT1 and LS1 trannys, although I'm not sure what they are.
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Old May 21, 2006 | 10:04 PM
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the ls1 is a Tremec. Tremec bought out Borg Warner and weakened up the trans a little
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Old May 22, 2006 | 10:54 AM
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i wouldnt be surprised. There are actually several components on the LT1s that are stronger than their younger brothers. The driveshaft and engine block for instance.. alot of fast ls1 guys will actually swap in an LT1 driveshaft as theirs has a tendancy to rip in half from power and traction.
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Old May 22, 2006 | 11:03 AM
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it is funny i have a friend with a 98 ws6 with a t56 the trans case is stamped Borg Warner but some of the insides are stamped Tremec.
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