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Old Sep 2, 2006 | 06:01 PM
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l98 vs. s2000

just lookin for some input on this situation. My l98 formula with slp cold air and underdrives (14.28 in the quarter best) against my buddies s2000 with an exhaust on it. Let me know!
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Old Sep 2, 2006 | 07:43 PM
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they can get pretty crazy when they launch. when i had my old 83 camaro witha rebuilt 350 i lost from a dig to one. but then we jumped on the freeway and went from a roll and i crept by him.. i also had 2 other people in the car, and the s2000 had a passenger as well. good race.
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Old Sep 2, 2006 | 10:50 PM
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They like high rpms. Do yourself a favor and race him from a stop, you should not have a problem from there.
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Old Sep 3, 2006 | 08:48 AM
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I agree the lower speed you start from, the better. I've seen them trap stock 98-100mph, but they are somewhat weak out of the hole. That exhaust isn't going to help his NA-4 much, so if your 14.2 is trapping anywhere 98mph, it ought to be really close. Good luck.

PS: Don't do something stupid and race him from a 60 or 70mph start. You'll get mauled with that 700R4.
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Old Sep 3, 2006 | 09:11 AM
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Yeah, race him from a dig. One of the magazines managed a high 13 stock so you know the longer the race goes the more likely you'll lose.

Have you ever been up to the Tops on the corner of 57/Cleveland St.? I hear people have been meeting over there late night on the weekends.
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Old Sep 3, 2006 | 10:01 AM
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I raced one of those with some mods in my l98 formula and it actually launched hard. He revved it up very high almost to redline and just dumped the clutch and it actually hung with me til 2nd gear. I pulled him from there on. I guess their lack of low end torque lets them get away with dropping it at that high of an rpm. I think they had 125ft-lbs of torque. I was impressed with its launching ability so watch out for that if you race him.

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Old Sep 3, 2006 | 11:15 AM
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if anything the fact that they rev up so high makes it quite a bit harderto launch at any rpm

at low rpms it's a bog but you start spinning the motor up that high and that is a lot of intertial energy all at once hitting the tires which leads to smoking the tires.

think about it have a 400lb guy walking at you vs taking my little 120 friend and throw him out of the car while doing 70mph. which one is going to be easier to handle?
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Old Sep 3, 2006 | 01:28 PM
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s2000 is one of the trickier cars to launch...no torque and power till WAY up high. they need 7000rpm clutch slips to move well. a proper driven L98 on any decent street tire should outlaunch an S2000. S2000's have crazy top end so if the driver is good and hits his shifts well to keep that motor up in 7000-8000rpm range where its making its power, then i can see it pulling up top as speeds go up. it will be close tho.
i have yet to race one
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Old Sep 4, 2006 | 12:02 PM
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well i duno the numbers for the l98 but i know that stock the s2000 puts out 245 hp
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Old Sep 4, 2006 | 01:02 PM
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Race from a stop.

I raced my buddy all the time with his S2000 at the strip AFTER he had installed a vorteh supercharger. When he finally figured out how to launch decent he was in the high 13s at about 113 mph

I always pulled on him good till the 1/8 mile then he'd haul *** and catch me at the end. We would always finish real close to 14, but his mph was very high. So if you are street racing he is going to catch you real fast on an open road.
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Old Sep 4, 2006 | 03:48 PM
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I have raced my friends S2K several times, launch, roll, and top end. He hasn't even come close to beating me yet. My L98 is stock, but with the SLP package....so I guess I do have a little more power than normal, but still. Anyways, you shouldn't have a problem with him.....would be my guess.
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Old Sep 4, 2006 | 10:45 PM
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There not that fast. I promise you if you get him from the stop or a slow role it will be a good race. The low end in those cars suck unless they rev really high. I smoke them all the time. Get some.
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Old Sep 4, 2006 | 11:06 PM
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with both cars in their current state, you'll eat him alive.
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Old Sep 5, 2006 | 01:41 AM
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I still think you might be in trouble from a roll if the race goes long enough. My cousins Cobalt SS makes power all the way to 6500 rpms. A stop or a slow roll race is a pure rape scene. But if we go from 50, I do ok, and actually slightly pulled. But the longer we went, the more power he made. And with good old TPI, the longer we went, the less power I made and he ended up passing me at 100.

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Old Sep 5, 2006 | 11:34 AM
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Either way 14.0-14.3 is a good time for an S2000 stock at the track. If you hook it should be close.You won't lose by much if you do.
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Old Sep 5, 2006 | 12:30 PM
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just go from a dig, you'll be pretty good if your car is up to par.
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Old Sep 5, 2006 | 03:43 PM
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In the 1/4, its definetly a drivers race, any longer than that and your probably in trouble. You could be pretty confident in an 1/8th mile run, unless he's a very exceptional driver, in which case it'll be a good race again. Its a tough little car to launch. My SVT Contour is the same way, you've gotta launch at about 4500 and modulate the clutch and gas pretty carefully to launch hard w/o excessive wheel spin. Sometimes I'll actually just launch into wheel spin with that car, it'll hook pretty quick and go from their.
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Old Sep 6, 2006 | 08:32 AM
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Have you guys raced yet?
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Old Sep 6, 2006 | 05:36 PM
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yes the race happened, and you guys called almost to a t. we raced 3 times, from stop, from 20ish, and from about 45. My car hooks all the time with like barely a tire squeal so i holeshot the ***** off of that car and we run to like 90 and let off and i have about 1-2 lengths on him. from 20 it was way closer like me only being ahead about half a car at 90. and from 45 we started dead even then he started to pull. It was probably the tightest street racing ive done in a while. But at the end of the day, i think my 4800 doller low tech 350 car did very well against a 32,000 doller state of the art 4 banger.
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Old Sep 6, 2006 | 05:40 PM
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Originally Posted by FormulaL98
yes the race happened, and you guys called almost to a t. we raced 3 times, from stop, from 20ish, and from about 45. My car hooks all the time with like barely a tire squeal so i holeshot the ***** off of that car and we run to like 90 and let off and i have about 1-2 lengths on him. from 20 it was way closer like me only being ahead about half a car at 90. and from 45 we started dead even then he started to pull. It was probably the tightest street racing ive done in a while. But at the end of the day, i think my 4800 doller low tech 350 car did very well against a 32,000 doller state of the art 4 banger.
How are you dead hooking off the line? I usually have to wait until 2nd gear to get into it otherwise its nothing but tiresmoke...
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Old Sep 6, 2006 | 06:38 PM
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Thats what I figured.If he had any chance it would have to be from 40mph up. I bet you could still beat him at the track in the quarter.His car runs low 14s is my guess.Good work.
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Old Sep 6, 2006 | 10:28 PM
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i have no idea as to why my car hooks so good, my best 60 ft is a 1.97, but most are in the 2 flat range. the suspension is stock and i have bridgestone potenza 009 245's on it. everytime i launch the car its from as hard of a powerbreak as possible (not alot), then once i nail it the whole car will just whip back make a little tire noise then just hauls. and no burnout. Ive been thinkin about a converter and some rear suspension parts. id would really like to run mid-13's, through stock exaust and just hook like crazy on the street tires. That would make a amazing sleeper.
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