I cannot believe how one sided this race was. I really smoked him. Bright yellow 2003 Mustang GT 4 speed auto convertable. Very nice car, but bone stock. Before we ran I though it was going to be somewhat close, I was wrong. I pretty much destroyed him all the way to 60, and shut down at alittle over 100. I really didnt look back after 60. My car is a well tuned L98 3.45 Borg Warner 9 Bolt Rear End, Proform 1.6 Roller Rocker Arms,Marren Fuel Injectors,Flowmaster Cat-Back,High Flow Cats,Edelbrock Headers,Edelbrock High Flow Intake Manifold Ported by TPIS.Edelbrock High Flow Intake Runners Siamesed & Port Matched by TPIS,Ported Plenum,Cold Air Intake,K&N's,Edelbrock Air Foil in Throttle Body,Throttle Body Coolant Bypass,modded Bosch Mass Air Flow Sensor,Adjustable Fuel Pressure Regulator,Hypertech Chip,Hypertech 160 Degree Thermostat,MSD Ignition,MSD Blaster Coil,Accel HEI Control Module,Beefed up Alternator. The kid was really cool about it too unlike some of the import guys.

I would hope you would smoke him with all those mods.

X2, good run, but a stock auto vert from even the new edge cars wouldn't be that quick. I have seen low 14s out of the same set up car, but with your list, I'm not surprised at all with the outcome. Not to mention the L98 cars really shine down low.

I think the 2009 model 5 speed car would have given me a much better run. I believe they are rated around 315 hp. Which is around what my car dynoes w/20 percent loss. Id like to run one of them.

A 2009 would give a much better run when comparing auto to auto. The newer cars have a better transmission and should run a bit quicker. Figure half a second for the auto cars, and maybe 3-4 tenths for stick shift counterparts. A new stock one should put up a fight. They do however mod well. Just a tune, and exhaust and they are 12 second cars with a good driver.

I remember a while back I edged out an 05 model GT 5 speed. At the time I was hitting 13.5's. His exhaust was loud, but it didnt look aftermarket to me at all. Not sure if you can get higher flowing pipes from the factory or not?

i was always under the impression that a convert auto would preform noticeably worse than say a 6 speed hard top, due to all the added weight of the convert and not being able to ride the car as hard being auto. i know a couple guys that want to buy a new mustang and tried out the auto converts and said they drove like snails and the 6speed hard top drove like a completely different car. however a kill is a kill so congrats.

The auto verts usually have a intendency to be a few tenths of a second slower than their hardtop counter parts, the added weight and higher gear ratio may also play a role to it, but that just generally speaking from a stock point of view.

and 13.5 sounds just about right where a stock to slighly modded S197 GT should be at with a good driver and as far as him having exhaust, he probably does, but there probably just mufflers as it does really nothing for performance, just the sound.

What does your car run now? thats a pretty strong car you got man, I haven't taken the Z28 nor the GT to the track as I haven't had the chance, but I would like to see what they could run, If I could get the Z28 in the 13s and the GT in the 12s, I'll be happy for now.

Right now I am running very low 13's at alittle over 100 mph.

Prolly a stock car with an axle-back system...

What does your car run now? thats a pretty strong car you got man, I haven't taken the Z28 nor the GT to the track as I haven't had the chance, but I would like to see what they could run, If I could get the Z28 in the 13s and the GT in the 12s, I'll be happy for now. [/quote]


What track do you plan on taking your cars?

The two closest ones from here are Old Dominion & Summer Duck which I will more than likely go to, but those two are the 1/8th mile tracks.

The third one is MIR which is a 1/4th mile, where I would really like to go to, but is the furtherst away from here. Its not that far but basically like a 15 mins time vs 1 hour time.

Maybe with a PERFECT tune and a PERFECT driver.... i would personally believe a low 13 sec stang with exhaust and tune, nothing better. Then again you are the stang info man.... idk i personally don't see 12's out of an exhaust and tuned stang.

The guy I bought my 17" ET Streets from went 12.8s with nothing more, but he is a great driver. He added gears, a few suspension pieces and the tires and went 12.1-12.2s all day. Bone stockers are in the 270 hp range and running 13.5-13.7s all day. A tune and full exhaust will stick you well over 300 to the tire an drop those times down a bunch with trap speeds up near mine.

I don't expect you to believe it, but head out to one of the local Ford or Mustang events, and ask some quick cars what they have for mods.

I saw an 05 dyno 265 at the wheels. Motor trend rated the 05 gt at 13.9, and the 09 at 13.7. So that sounds about right. Not sure if just gears and exhaust would drop times from 13.9 to 12.1 lol

I agree completely but you never know. Some cars are those factory freaks too!

Well 13.9 is MT times, which suck... Figure 13.5-13.6 for a stocker with a bang up driver. Tune is worth 20-30 rwhp. Exhaust not worth so much, but headers, midpipe and axleback and your up another 10-15 easily. Add in a set of gears, some traction and sure you could knock off a little over a second. Remember I'm talking good drivers! Powershifting it since day one, 1.6 60's etc..

A tune is only going to help if the car isnt running 100 %. I would go with high 12's with a tune, full exhaust, and gears. Id buy that.

Not with the new Mustangs, a tune alone is actually worth those kind of numbers. I'm not making it up to impress anyone, I am stating what tuners and owners of these cars are seeing.

Again noone has to believe any of what I claim, but head out to a Mustang event, see the ones going deep 12s, and ask the owner what is done.

Ill just take your word for it.

12's on just a tune? I can believe the exhaust, gears, and tune. But not JUST a tune. How can you get 40hp plus from a tune? That's how you get them into the 12's gotta have at least 350 hp. And last time i checked 40+ hp from a tune is astronomical. They really that terrible from the factory?

I had an '07 gt (before I had my daughter) and a tune does help those cars a good bit, not sure about the 40 hp though. It seems to me they are tuned for mpgs from the factory. Gears was the big thing for my mustang.

On the other hand, I think I read where the new camaro v6 is rated at 310 hp stock. That should leave the Ford boys something to shoot for.

Where are you people getting things that I don't say? When did I say JUST a tune runs 12s? I'm pretty sure I said tune with exhaust (I also said LTs, midpipe, mufflers, FULL exhaust) will go high 12s. I also said 20-30 and the 30 is on the HIGH end. Nowhere did 40 hp EVER come up.

Also who says it NEEDS 350 hp to run 12s? I assume your talking FWP, and therefore right at 300 to the tire? There you go, exhaust, and a tune and your 300+ to the tire.

Once again, I stand by what I say, so long as the members here actually READ what I wrote, and not make up things they THINK I said.

People don't trust you because you're a Mustang guy. Just kidding.

I threw out the 40 hp number because the previous poster mentioned it. I agree with what you were saying. Even though the original poster was talking about the previous generation mustang, the newer ones can cheaply and easily get into the 12s, its one of the reasons they are popular.

I agree, the convo drifted to the newer S197 cars. Trust me, most people here think everything I say is a lie, not true or not possible. I get used to it. But when they try and quote things I said and quote me wrong to then argue... that's annoying.

To the O.P. Thats not a surprising kill at all with your mod list. Good run

You actually said it right there.... so you ACTUALLY said it.... unless i misinterpreted it? Anyways....

"Also who says it NEEDS 350 hp to run 12s? I assume your talking FWP, and therefore right at 300 to the tire? There you go, exhaust, and a tune and your 300+ to the tire."
-Also i'm pretty sure physics says it needs more.... 3500 lbs car with 300hp to the wheels will go around 13's. You would need a good drive to hit 12's....That's only based on weigh and hp, but of course most stangs have gear mods so that would make them a little quicker. I'm not a stang expert by any means but the rule i am providing goes for any car.... Theres a reason 6 spd LS1's could only go mid 13's at best in stock trim, a stang has less factory hp and the weigh about the same.... almost the same rules apply. Not arguing with you man but i try to see the facts here.... Show me some proof and i will beleive you, no doubt. Stangs are good modders....

Where in my quote did I say 40 hp??? I think your jumping the gun on a LOT of what you argue.

Also I'm not sure where you get your facts, but a stock LS1 car will run mid 13s with an average driver. There are a LOT of them turning low, low 13s, and the freaks running in the high 12s. Saying one will run a mid 13 at best, again jumping the gun without truly knowing the facts.

I told you to go to the closest Mustang race and ask around, what better facts than that do you want? Head to the race track where these guys are actually out there running it, and see for yourself. What is the local track to you? If it's NED, LVD or Etown I will tell you when I'm going, and introduce you to a few 12 second tune/exhaust S197 cars! I might even toss in a high 11 second bolt on S197, just for fun!

I think I may have one of those factory freaks in an LT1 car.......but I also heard they where under rated and basically made up of left over Vette parts. Better rods, hardened push rods and better cam.......I duno....93 that is and 93 only so I hear

Most stock LS1's i have seen run mid 13's. I have seen an 04' Stang GT at the track run a 14.8. Had an exhaust, intake and a tune so i heard..... And i don't doubt some are quite fast stock either. I'm basing this on what I personally have seen at the track(mostly retards driving autos). NYIRP is the closest track to me.... well i was wrong in saying mid 13's at best... my bad i messed that up.

I'm not sure how many times you have been to the track, but seeing as I have maybe 200-250 runs, and that is at mostly Ford races, I am sure I have seen a few more Mustangs run down the track. I don't "make up" numbers to impress people on a thirdgen board, trust me there.

I have seen modded ones run 14s and 15s, sure. I have also seen stock ones run 13s, and ligthly modded ones run 12s. You just said yourself they are retards with autos, so how can you base a cars potential performance on that??? If thats the case I can show you 16 second SRT-4s, hifh 14 second LS1s, etc etc...

ive also heard the 93' LT1s were a bit faster than the later years. i had a 93' Vette 6speed that went 13.32 at 107.63mph bone stock. it put down 266rwhp/306rwtq. surprised alot of stock/near stock LS1s that for sure

however, the only difference between the Vette and Fbody LT1s were the blocks... Vettes had 4 bolt mains and the Fbodies had 2 bolt mains. of course, theres the intake and exhaust differences, but thats due to vehicle packaging and not really due to GM trying to make the Vette more powerful

ive also heard that the only LT1s with "factory" hardened pushrods were the 94/95 models. but i dont know if that is fact or not

sorry for getting waaaay off topic, but i love discussions about LTX cars

mine runs 8:66 in the 1/8th. 3:73 gears,1.6 rollers,ram air off 97 WS6,edlebrok headers with 3 inch cat back, single 3 inch flowmaster,underdrive crank pully, Chip from PCM's forless and thats about it. Again, sorry for being off topic. I think it may have a little left in it. I'll find out in a few weeks after th350 with 3500 stall(borrowed until I get the 700R4 fixed and yes 93's last year of the 700R4)

You have to scout around and go to different tracks, meets, or shows and ask others enthusiast to get a more in-depth about how a certain car is and what mods go best with it, and can help vary your own options .

But as 25th said and also what I can say from experience from mine and others, the S197s responds to mods abit differently then 99-04 "new edges" styles.

For the S197 - CAI, tune, gears, and drag radials..

MANY other mods out there, but besides nitrous or FI, these 4 will be the ones your dyno will really feel; and they will yield lower et's more than a couple tenths.