v10viper04

So I figured I would share my story with you guys... No it's not a third gen but I figured no one would really care all that much. haha Anyways I just came from seeing "Rise of the Planet of the Apes" and I was taking the Corvette on a little detour for the night. There is a new 5.0 in town, it's black and he has red pinstriping on the car and black wheels with a red ring around the outside. I could confirm an exhaust but I don't know of any other mods done to the car... I was turning right in a 4-way intersection and he followed me through the turn and I opened up the LT and darted away just to realize he didn't punch it. So I slow back down to the speed limit and all the sudden I see his headlights getting closer and he ripped past me and then slowed down b/c he came up on traffic. So I change lanes to follow him and we head out of town where it turns 55 and this is a 2 lane road mind you... were doing about 40 behind this pickup truck(Left lane) that is driving the same speed as a buick lesabre(Right lane) so we can't get by, then finally the truck pulls ahead a little bit and the stang guns it and goes between these 2 cars, I follow suit by letting the LT1 breathe and the stang stays in the right lane while I pass the truck then come back into the left lane, I was already catching the stang when we gunned it and by the time I pulled back into the left lane I was walking right past this kid... He was by himself and I had a passenger. Fun run none the less. With the hype these things have I figured it would walk me... guess not.

Corvette has a LT1/T-56. Stock heads, cc503 cam, LT's, magnaflow cat-back.

harris350

nice kill, those 5.0s sound pretty sweet but have no go to back it up, although it you fix em up right there pretty fast but not, gm fast

shortyskater

Nice story. I hate rust stangs. My buddy just bought a 2012 boss 302. decent looking but waste of money in my opinion. He should have saved for the 2012 ZL1

v10viper04

86White_T/A305

Im not big fan of the newer stangs.You have to get up there in the model line to get any serious power off the showroom floor.But I will be bold enough to say that the handling/weight of them is really starting to put shame on the camaro.Going fast in a straight line is hella fun but I like carving some corners while still having some decent power to come out of the gate.The 20120 ZL1 will be nice bit I think it still needs a lil more of a diet.

Good kill OP.Still fun to bruise someone's ego after they just bought a new car and have something a decade + older still walk it.

UnderCover89TBI

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it was teh new 5.0? nice kill.

and yes i despise mustangs too.

v10viper04

Yes it was, this kid rips around town like he owns the place... needless to say after I walked him he did the loser cruise and turned haha.

SKELITOR117

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That is an awsome story Viper. But those new 5.0s are properly fast, it just means your car is F You fast. Also Rise of the apes was a good movie.

Fast355

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I will have to dig up the video from Sunday of a new 5.0 running 12.40 at about 90 MPH after lifting at 1,000 ft because he tweaked the suspension on the launch, destroying a suspension part in the process. We were standing just to the right of his launch and by 330' or so you could no longer see the passenger side of his car, only the driverside and could tell it was dog tracking like crazy.

v10viper04

He must have that thing modded, I don't believe its a stock car for one second... Some are quick while others are pathetic, just like any other car out there...

whitedevilTA

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The new 5.0 is the fastest car available in that price range hands down. 12's bone stock and a motor that will go 10's with bolt ons and a 100 shot and be perfectly streetable....thats pretty fast to me.

Waste of money? Read above post. I'd rather pay 33K for a mustang that does everything better than the new camaro. Why spend 55K on a big boat of a car (ZL1) thats still not fast with 5xx HP?? No offense but the new camaros are turds IMO. What other car makes 425 HP and runs low 13's? Thats pathetic. GM needs to grab a dictionary and study the word "diet."

And V10viper...nice kill. The 5.0's are fast, but an LT1 6 speed cammed vette I'm sure is fast as well. Maybe this kid will realize he's not invincible lol.

SKELITOR117

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For 45gs you can get a used 2007 505hp Corvette 427 ZO6, and for 20-25g you can get a C5 ZO6, which isn't great looking but does have 405hp, does 0-60 in 4.0sec and has a top speed of how long of a road do you have. But the New stang is good, especially for the price. I hate how you can't really tell the difference Between the new 425hp 6.0 SS and a 300hp 3.8 RS Camaros. The SS should look noticably more agressive and fast.

BloodBassist

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Lol one of my buddies had a 5.0 had roughly 30k on it, he put headers and had a shop do a tune. It melted a piston and ford aint doin **** bout it. Just thought id share.

v10viper04

Granted that's sh*tty but his main problem was the tune.... That alone could have destroyed the motor.... Ford will reject his claim all day long...

BloodBassist

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I know the shop. They wouldnt have ****ed it, ive seen alot of nice tunes come out of the place. Its sooo stupid. I told my friend to sell the body and get a real car

whitedevilTA

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It was DEF the shops fault with the tune. You don't melt a piston on an otherwise bone stock engine with longtubes unless the tune is off. You need to be spot on on the tuning on those since they have 11:1 compression from the factory.

BloodBassist

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Actually check it out, they have been blowin up stock.

UnderCover89TBI

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yeah i know of quite a few melting pistons down. they have powdered metal rods and are throwing them very easy, a friend has had tranny problems with his. Thier was an article in car craft or hot rod about the new mustangs and it was titled own a new mustang? this is what is going to break. I thought it was funny.

BloodBassist

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yeah seems to be a problem with ford. A while ago i remember seeing a diesel mag, and on the cover it said "Fords powerstroke. The most problem plagued diesel truck yet!"

SKELITOR117

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Friend of mine bought a 2005 Mustand GT new, and the transmission blew after 5,000mi (this is not a freak accident or bad luck, this happend to thousands of 05 GT owners), it was also the tranni from the old stang. Ford refused to replace it because they don't make it any more and he had to go out and buy an 06 GT transmission and pay to install it. I know Chevys break down all the time, and even new ones have stupid problems, but that is just beyond stupid, agreed?

BloodBassist

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Definitely agreed. And i haven't heard of Chevy or even dodge having issues like this recently.

v10viper04

My buddy picked up an 07' GT/5 spd with 19k on the clock and he was driving it one day and he got on it and all he heard from the tranny was banging and clunking when he opened her up in 1st.... needless to say that was within 50 miles of owning the car and he returned it do the dealer the very next day...

whitedevilTA

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Yea but that may very well not be fords fault. He bought it used but that 19K miles could have been VERY hard if the old owner was an idiot. Hell, he may have even learned how to drive stick in that car. My brother, a good freind of mine, and myself have all owned 07-08 mustang GT's. My brother launched his numerous times on full slicks at 4500 RPM at the strip getting consecutive 1.6 60ft times, and I powershifted mine every race I got without missing one shift and none of us broke anything. I have never heard of any major problems whatsoever on the cars and I was an owner for over a year. The only issue I have ever heard with the new stangs was that the AC compressors sometimes went out early which actually did happen to my brothers stang, but it had 40K miles on it so it wasn't exactly brand new.

Plus, every car has there faults...look at how many people put drag radials on a stock LS1 4th gen and blow up the crap 10 bolt with a stock or lightly modded engine. And how bout the fact that the 6 speed cars have problems with the clutch pedal sticking to the floor under quick shifting. The 5.0 is a brand new engine, and being the first year that it's out, I'm sure there will be some issues, but I'm sure ford will fix them without a question, granted you didn't buy a brand new mustang and throw a crap ton of mods at it. You'd be nuts to mod a brand new car with a warranty anyways, and my shelby GT remained bone stock for this reason....JUST in case.

BloodBassist

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Precisely why I will NEVER buy a brand new car.

v10viper04

Prior owner was an older lady... I severely doubt she beat it to hell... Also I see your point but come on man your on an F-BODY FORUM, you can't expect us to not put up a fight. haha On the other side look how many ppl put slicks on the 10 bolt and take it into the 10's with no problems... Same concept works all around... Every car can have issues where the same exact car sitting next to it might not...

whitedevilTA

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Haha...I made that mistake once...never again. Sold my shelby to mod my 86 TA!

I know I'm on an F-body forum currently, but I'm also a member on SVTperformance and LS1tech since I've owned some fords and some GMs. I consider myself "universal" and like to shed light where it's due lol. I know some 10 bolts have lasted, but for the most part, fords 8.8 is a much superior rear axle. But yea you basically said what I was trying to say....all cars have thier quirks...if you like the car you'll deal with it.

UnderCover89TBI

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Every car is going to have problems. thier underbuilt somewhere. deal with it! haha.

Fast355

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Don't care if it were stock or not, I know it wasn't, but damn impressive to say the least.

My buddy Randy (Silvrram) posted this video and took it while I was standing next to him.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w0y-QRPa0Ek

v10viper04

Any car that's been extensively modified can be impressive... This is where the new 5.0 craze gets so much fuel... ppl rave about cars that they don't even know what mods it has... They all say intake and exhaust and a tune and it will hit 11's! Bull... Look at all the modding done when the new 5.0 came out, most companies hid all the mods they did, you had to dig deep into their sites to find out. The mods done would make any street car a drag car... I still don't believe it to be anymore than a hype...

v10viper04

Also lets just say it can run 11's with a tune, intake and an exhaust (which it can't) that would mean its underrated from the factory like GM does with all it's engines.... how does that make an engine impressive? WOW it makes more than 412 hp from the factory! ITS THE BEST ENGINE ON EARTH! Better than that junky LS1 b/c it only makes 325hp! Do we want to get into small displacement engines with turbos? Same concept, they gotta make up for the power somewhere... Granted the 5.0 is not boosted but it was built around maximum CFM in the heads, which from what i have read the 5.0 heads can't really flow much more than they can from the factory, therefore they are limited to boosting it... You can't only make so much N/A hp with a certain (small) displacement and a certain max CFM.

J91

Well I was impressed when my buddy took his 5.0 w/ an intake, tune, exh. and drag radials and ran an 11.93 at Nat. Trails here in Col. That is all he had done to the car. I will not argue about it w/ you, but I was impressed. It's a nice car and not a fat pig like the new Camaros...

bdiroc

J91,
I haven't seen your friends mustang but on Wednesday nights at trails there is 2 new 5.0's with tune, cold air, exhaust and drag radials running every week. they both run around 12.7's , one even had 30 day tags on it. very quick cars to me, compared to our 3rd gen's. best i have ran this summer is 12.83 with tpi and 2.73 gears ,trying stealthram in next couple of weeks.

J91

He's only been there twice I think, on friday nights, he may have a little suspension work? I know he's a great driver though, raced professionally in the 70's and 80's. Dan doesn't get out much anymore, he's got a couple of FoxBody cars that just fly. His wife drives them mainly. Y'know it's all relative to who's driving and track conditions, I know Dan can run low 12.3's in my car, and my best is a 12.502, usually I'm a 12.7. I don't drag much, the car is just not set up for it, I'd rather autocross or do open track days when I can. Mainly mine is
just a good street and road car....

whitedevilTA

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Ok, so this one has gears and drag radials, but it's automatic and on the stock stall it runs 11's. These cars are responding very well to mods...it's all over youtube, the forums, everywhere. Obviously some people are much better drivers but this being an auto car, driver has no play and it runs 11's in a bolt on car that you can daily drive. These cars with heads and cams are in the 10's all day. Bone stock they'll make 370 RWHP. Thats around what a cammed LS1 makes and they run 11's so why can't you believe it?

http://www.youtube.com/evoperform#p/u/4/hy2RQXtwyqw

v10viper04

Why can't any of you see that these cars have WAY MORE mods then cam and heads to run 10's? That's just bull. They run good yes but damn ppl blow what they can do out of proportion... That's not just an opinion...

UnderCover89TBI

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cars almost always have more mods then people let on..thats all the fun of it

J91

Agreed, too bad some people can't get past being haters, I don't get it, taking all this **** personally? Y'know at this point I'm just happy muscle cars are still around and thriving so well. For along time in the 70's and 80's it was touch-n-go as to whether there'd ever be real cars coming out of Detroit again. 200-250HP cars were killing the sport/hobby choked out smoggers! Me myself am very glad there are new Camaros, Mustangs, and Challengers. With new engines and technology keeping things fresh and alive....

v10viper04

I COMPLETELY agree with you... I am very glad these cars of today are here. I do get a little cranky though when ppl can't see downsides to things like the new 5.0 or even the LS series which I have fought with ppl about in the past. I can see positives and I can see negatives.. Some ppl here only see positives.. and that is proven by this thread. It was a kill story and then all the sudden it's turned into a how fast the new 5.0 is thread..start a new thread if you want to argue. I wanted to share my story of beating the new 5.0 and that's it. Stop posting here unless it's a remark to my original post... Every thread on this forum turns negative now, it's ridiculous...

J91

All I can say is I will post anywhere I want, and you cannot tell me otherwise, for a kill thread it turned into a negative thread because people start dissin cars, when you start saying I hate this and I agree,which has nothing to do with a kill. You bring this on your self. It's not your thread to tell people what to do. It is a public thread on a public forum. There's nothing to argue about here. Everyone else seems to think the 5.0 has alot of potential but you, funny how that works, You are right and everyone else is wrong, but you are entitled to your opinion, we just don't agree w/you and niether does 1/2 the internet car community and every car mag I have read on the subject. JMHO...

v10viper04

I don't need to say anything else. Proof...

v10viper04

Unsubscribing from my own thread b/c some peoples heads are getting way too big on this site. I'll be the mature one, have fun.

87WS6

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Whatever. The 2010 GT with 315HP or so comes within .1 seconds or so of the 2010 Camaro SS's times. The 2011+ GT's with the 5.0 kick the **** out of the 5th Gen Camaro.

So it is your recommendation that your friend should have waited and spent the money on a big heavy pig of a car with a shittier interior and absolutely horrid visibility compared to the Mustang?

I'm going to have to disagree. The new Camaro is ****. The interior is terrible in both layout and quality, the visibility is abysmal, and the car is way too ****ing heavy. I was checking out a newer loaded Camaro SS and the damned HUD controls fell out in my hand. I popped the panel back in but the quality of the materials was only about par with the third gen which as much as I love them, is pretty damned sad. The placement of the retro gauges in the center console is crap. There is nothing but hollow sounding hard plastic, rattling door panels, etc. You'd think that the quality of the 2011 Camaro's interior would be a step up from the crap GM produced in the 80's and it isn't by much if any. The seats aren't very comfortable either. It's really sad but there are way too many deal breakers for me in the new Camaro. I'd rather have the Mustang and that's sad because I'm not a Mustang kind of guy.

I couldn't agree more. Aesthetics aside, (which I don't like either) the new Camaro is a fat pig that is in desperate need of Jenny Craig's services.

Well said. Again I couldn't agree more. This is just my opinion of course but out of the three semi-retro muscle cars available now (Mustang, Camaro, Challenger) I like the Camaro the least. The Challenger is at least a good looking car. If you are going to have a fat heavy pig like that, it should at least have a pretty face and big jugs. The Camaro just has a fat *** with down syndrome Corvette tail lights and an ugly grin that reminds me of that creepy look mental patients going off their meds tend to have.

All I can say for the 5th generation Camaro is that it doesn't have the face of a catfish like the fourth generation cars did.

SKELITOR117

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I'm not wanting to get involved in whatever you are wanting to start. Having said that, I will say that the new SS (6 speed or auto) will kill any GT 05-10. Those things were sort of light, but the GT only put out about 286 ('05 GT) to about 295 ('10 GT) RWHP. Even the auto SS put well over 300 HP to the ground. And having seen street races in person between a Custom Dodge Magnum R/T (which was slightly slower than a SS) and custom GTs, the Magnum Destroyed them. Every Time. And that beast weighs about 4350 with a passenger (Which it had, me). The new 5.0s are fast, Chevy needs to step up their game and give the 5thgen a diet AND a supercharger. Also Mustangs are WAY cheaper on the inside. The 90's and the new body styles interiors were horribly cheap and plasticy.

shortyskater

Really?? 4th gens have the face of someone who fell off the ugly try and hit every branch on the way down.

whitedevilTA

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The new camaro def wouldn't "kill" an 05-10 GT. I owned one....2008 shelby GT. All it is is a factory intake/exhaust/tune GT from shelby and I did a 13.5 at 104 mph bone stock with the crap BF goodrich 235 tires. With a fatter tire or DR I could have gone low 13's in that car....the new camaro's are mostly in the low 13's themselves and they make over 100 more HP. They are boats. And I actually raced a magnum RT in mine and absolutely demolished it....maybe the guys you know can't drive very well?? A lot of people underestimate the 3 valve 4.6 motors but they are pretty quick with the right setup.

87WS6

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I'm not trying to start anything. I'm giving my opinions on the cars in question and responding to some of the statements in this thread which seem ludicrous at best. They seem to be made by rabid fan boys of one brand or another that are unwilling to see the truth. Statements like "pretty fast but not GM fast" are great examples of what I'm talking about.

I never said the 2010+ Camaro SS couldn't beat the 2005-2010 Mustang GT. It can but doesn't do so by much. Ford added 100HP to the 2011+ cars and that's well more than the Camaro can handle in it's current form. You'd have to step up to the ZL1 in order to beat the Mustang GT. I don't see how anyone could argue this point.

Street races do not necessarily tell the truth. Many times on the street it's not about which vehicle is the most powerful, but who wants the victory more. I'm I'm only willing to push to 80MPH on the street and some other guy with a slower car wants to push to 100MPH, then he obviously wants the victory more than I do. To think that this actually means that car A is faster than car B is ludicrous. Perhaps at a track you can say conclusively to some extent whether or not car A is indeed faster than car B to an extent but other variables have to be factored in such as driver weight, skill (if applicable, which to a point I think it might always be), tires, track conditions etc.

As for the interiors, I'm not talking about the 90's cars. I'm talking about 2010, 2011 Mustang GT Premium vs. Camaro SS. The Camaro SS has tons of hard plastic everywhere, more than the Mustang has, rattling door panels, poorly designed gauge layout, and **** visibility. Some of these things can be a bit subjective I'd agree. The comfort of the seats, and visibility is semi-subjective as driver height makes a difference. I'm 6' even for reference. But I've spent a lot of time with both these cars and the Camaro interior feels cheap and the before mentioned HUD controls falling out in my hand is one example of the horrendous and laughable quality of the new Camaro's interior.

I agree. I've killed 2005+ Dodge Magnum R/T's plenty of times in my 2005 GTO. Both cars are heavy pigs but my pig weighs about 400lbs. less. The new Camaro is heavy as hell and there could also be something else going on with the suspension. I know this, the Mustangs with the track package are a hell of a lot nicer handling than the Camaros. I know this board is predominately filled with GM fan's and there is usually an anti-Ford sentiment about it, but come on. The new Camaro is slower than the Mustang which is now making just as much power, if not more (some off the showroom dyno numbers suggest more is making it to the wheels of the Mustang) so and weighs a lot less. I'm admittedly biased towards GM vehicles and I thought I'd share my impressions on the Mustang vs. the Camaro inside and out. Agree or disagree all you want, I think an admitted bias against the Mustang and the conclusion that it's better in most respects than the Camaro is very telling when it comes to the current muscle car landscape.

whitedevilTA

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You speak the truth, and I agree. I have test driven all the new big 3, and have freinds who own each so I have had plenty of time to check them out up close and get the strong and weak points of each. As a GM lover myself, I cannot side with the new camaro. They are more expensive than the much better mustang GT and you are paying for things that are mostly unwanted in a sports car.....navigation, bells and whistles that most of us will never use, A plethora of transformer options (please...) and personally, I could go without the independent rear as well. The mustang just plain and simple does everything better for less cost. Who could argue with that? Yea, so it's a ford, but who cares? If I'm spending upwards of $30K on a new sports car, I want the best damn bang for the buck, and you'd have to be a real nut swinger to not even consider a mustang with all it offers. Even the challenger is a decent car....yea it's big, but they have ALWAYS been big cars so your getting something true to it's roots. The camaro? It's a 4 door chassis with a 2 door body and terrible visibility...need I say more?

shortyskater

Call me a nut swinger, because I would NEVER own a mustang. NEVER!!

92firebird 305

i hate mustangs to a camaro or firebird or vette is better any day of the week .

UnderCover89TBI

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just buy what you want and be happy!