obviously the majority of you who would choose domestic have yet to actually drive any jap supercars. (translation for billybobs=supra,rx7,vr4,300z)

But I guess that's because rednecks stick with rednecks

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Sold:
In a 300z now fellas. haha
91 Formula 1LE 1 of 46
305 TPI 5speed
1LE/G92/WS6

Paxton SN92 supercharger(SN93 upgrade), Ford SVO 24#injectors, Crane AFPR,SLP airfoil, ported/polished plenum, March alt. pulley,Crane Gold 1.6rrs,MSD coil,MSD6AL (5200rpm limit),Holley 9mm wires,Ac delco R43ts plugs,custom chip,Bosch O2sensor,SLP 1 5/8" headers,SLP catback,shortened shifter,3:73s w/Auburn posi,170* t-stat,JET 195* fan switch, Macewen white face gauges, Autometer gauges, Zoom hi-performance clutch.

 

Edited: Guessing that smile meant you were joking.

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1988 Jet Black IROC
5.7L W/ 64000 miles
Flowmaster Exhaust
Fully Loaded
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My IROC In Readers Rides
My IROC

[This message has been edited by IROCThe5.7L (edited October 15, 2001).]

 

I'm sorry but there's nothing special about a Supra, RX7 or 300z, unless you're talking about the TT ones. But hey I guess our cars would be running low 13's or faster with TT huh.



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"Rice burners are like tampons...Every pu$$y has to have one"
'86 IROC
T-TOPS, TINTED WINDOWS, BRAKE LIGHT BLACKOUTS
GM GOODWRENCH 350
EDELBROCK TES HEADERS
3" Hooker CatBack w/Aero Chamber muffler
EDELBROCK 600CFM CARB.
KN AIRFILTER
ACCEL HEI DISTRIBUTOR
160* Stat, just switched to 180* b/c of winter coming and going to college in the mts.
3:73 Posi
Rebuilt 700R4
B&M Megashifter, 5" Autometer Tach w/shift lite

 

"But hey I guess our cars would be running low 13's or faster with TT huh."

...just like these cars would be running 13's or faster with more displacement. It's essentially the same argument reversed.

People always quote "there's no replacement for displacement". People tend to say this because if you make an engine bigger, it's almost always going to make more power.

Likewise, if you turbocharge an engine, it's almost always going to make more power...by using the same logical premise that was just used a moment ago, you COULD say "there's no replacement for forced induction".

Then the logical response is: Well, if the engine was bigger, it would perform better with a turbo...therefore there is STILL no replacement for displacement.

This is true...HOWEVER, if the TURBO were bigger or more boost were added (up to the point of thermal inefficency for that size of turbo, of course), it would STILL make more power...and by the same logic, there is no replacement for forced induction.

It's the whole chicken and the egg argument.

You can make big power with lots of displacement or lots of boost. Ideally, of course, you've got lots of BOTH.

SPOOM
92 TSi fwd

 

yeah the all mighty v8... and yet I go to the track and watch a GN pull a 13.2 in the 1/4 and damn thing was so quiet I could not even hear the thing going down the track. I .... might have heard the wind from his car.


and also again wtf are you V8 guys thinking you are all high and mighty for. just b/c you have 8 cyl?

the way I look at it is you only have half a motor there when standing next to the buggati listen in my prev post.


I think for a moment 8 cyl or 16 cyl
so now were do you v8 guys stand.

and spoom thank you. put a good arguement there.

but it is kinda nice watching all these closed minded ppl saying that there all mighty v8 cars are just so great and wonderfull and then pull up to a little import and get there a$$ handed to them...
not saying all will do it but I have seen it many times before.
not saying that just cause you have an import you are faster then other also... hell I know there are lots out there that can beat me. between import and domestics. but then again I am only running an 80cid motor and yes I can hang with some of your 305's out there also.
replacement for displacement? sheit I just wanna get the turbo block in my car so I can put the t-78 turbo I have sitting around to use.... then we see how things run

 

That's false for one, think about it, Japan has put V8's in SUV's and wait a second there no where near putting out the power per ci. as per say the VTEC. So, it's not that imports would run faster with a bigger motor, it's they can't because they can't produce a bigger motor with more HP, or they would have by now. And also just because imports have half the motor doesn't mean crap, they weigh about a 1000lbs. less than my car so there is 1 sec. off their 1/4 time right there.


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"Rice burners are like tampons...Every pu$$y has to have one"
'86 IROC
T-TOPS, TINTED WINDOWS, BRAKE LIGHT BLACKOUTS
GM GOODWRENCH 350
EDELBROCK TES HEADERS
3" Hooker CatBack w/Aero Chamber muffler
EDELBROCK 600CFM CARB.
KN AIRFILTER
ACCEL HEI DISTRIBUTOR
160* Stat, just switched to 180* b/c of winter coming and going to college in the mts.
3:73 Posi
Rebuilt 700R4
B&M Megashifter, 5" Autometer Tach w/shift lite

 

I have to go with a Twin Turbo RX-7, those things are amazing...Think of Auto-Cross, and time Trials..**Droolll**

 

damn you
just had to bring up the twin turbo rx7... now you have me drooling


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oh yeah guys it's an import. only a wimpy 1.3L or 80cid
pulls a wimpy 255hp and 0-60 around 4.9 if I remember right(dont quote me) and 13.x 1/4. and if you have the r1 i is around 1.01 g on the skidpad.

I just dont have the money right now to get one. though I think this would look good enough for my car




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ICQ 4116192
AIM RXspeed87
Got rotary?
header, intake, ported TB
soon to have 4.30 rear, ported intake(just need to intall)new catback,ported motor and lighter triangle

 

well I would do that minus the old guy and maybe a little bit of a smaller wing
that thing is damn huge

 

Import.

One of two cars. Either the BMW M3, or the M5. I guess since I'm a family man, I would choose the M5.

I don't "not like" Mustangs, they're just like a high school *****. Everybody's banged the **** outta one, and it doesn't cost much.

That's what I like about the Camaro. Yea the sales #s are what killed it, but that's what makes them cool. Not every Tom, **** , and Harry has one.

Plus Mustangs come with a "look at me. I have a Mustang" attitude that is released into the mind of anyone who drives one. There are SSSOOOO many times that Mustang owners gotta try and show me up because I have a Camaro. I just let them take off like a bat outta hell. Mainly because right now, they'll whip the crap outta me.

Just wait 'till my new motor's done. Then I'll be able to know I at least have a chance if I choose to street race.


AJ

 

"That's false for one, think about it, Japan has put V8's in SUV's and wait a second there no where near putting out the power per ci. as per say the VTEC."

SUV's engines are all about low-end torque. If you put a big engine in a truck, endowing it with low-end torque through it's size, why would you want/need to include the extra cost and complexity of VTEC?

"So, it's not that imports would run faster with a bigger motor, it's they can't because they can't produce a bigger motor with more HP, or they would have by now."

Are you basing this assumption on your previous statement? I hope not. I'm also assuming that you are only referring to Japanese imports, because BMW makes some very mean V8's. In reference to Japanese imports, there are several reasons why smaller engines are popular in Japan, one being the tax structure based on engine displacement and another being the cost of gasoline. When hefty taxes are placed on autos with larger displacement engines, this tends to encourage automakers to make smaller engines. Gas prices 3-4 times higher than U.S. prices also encourage automakers to make smaller engines. Don't confuse the fact that Japanese imports DON'T usually have powerful V8's with the assumption that the Japanese CAN'T build a powerful V8. It's more complicated than that.

"And also just because imports have half the motor doesn't mean crap, they weigh about a 1000lbs. less than my car so there is 1 sec. off their 1/4 time right there."

If you don't have an engine as heavy as a V8, you don't need as many heavy parts to support the engine, slow the car down, etc. etc. etc. Imports tend to weigh less, while domestics tend to have bigger engines. You run what you brung.

SPOOM
92 TSi fwd

 

truthfully? I'm selling my 92 camaro 305TBI for a 3000GT VR4. Whoever said the thing about high school ****** was right. My car kicked *** in high school, but for the money i'd need to make that car fast, I could buy a VR4 and end up in the same place, with no squeaks and rattles. I love my camaro, but I still would not like a mustang. Imports, are we talking hondas and toyotas? They suck *** , but not all imports are as bad as they seem. We're not talking ricers here, we're talking cars built by Sumuyagi Nikoitoi in chinatown somewhere. Mustangs arent the way to go. Its too bad the fastest ones are so UGLY. Any mustang year 1980-1994 was the ugliest **** piece of metal i've ever seen. I'd die before i sat in one...

 

I agree but there are only 2 mustangs that I actually think are fast.. I mean fast stock, because any car can be made to run faster... I like the 99-02 GT's and I like the 93 cobras.. I also like the 96, 97 and new cobras too ...


I know a guy at my school that had a brand new 01 Mustang v6.. They are rated at 190 HP (not sure if thats at the wheels or the crank)... He sells that and gets a 95 GT for the same price... Wow, he got an uglier car (IMO) and he gained a measly 25 hp. He now wishes he would have just kept his 01 mustang..

 

The 80's mustangs aren't that bad looking, not as good as a Camaro, but if you put a cowl induct hood and wing on them late 80 Mustangs do look good. My first car was an 80 Mustang, I admit it was an ugly piece of crap, but when I dropped a built 302 in it, I didn't care what it looked like because I had the fastest car at school and was in the 10th grade, until like an idiot I totalled it.
Don't get me wrong though, I do respect VR4's, TT Supras and 300Z TT, they were built fast, but for the average punk kid around town that thinks by putting a couple of bolt on mods or appearance mods his Civic is going to be fast then he's out of his mind.


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"Rice burners are like tampons...Every pu$$y has to have one"
'86 IROC
T-TOPS, TINTED WINDOWS, BRAKE LIGHT BLACKOUTS
GM GOODWRENCH 350
EDELBROCK TES HEADERS
3" Hooker CatBack w/Aero Chamber muffler
EDELBROCK 600CFM CARB.
KN AIRFILTER
ACCEL HEI DISTRIBUTOR
160* Stat, just switched to 180* b/c of winter coming and going to college in the mts.
3:73 Posi
Rebuilt 700R4
B&M Megashifter, 5" Autometer Tach w/shift lite

 

Why would you just choose the fastest car? There's other qualities: handling, looks, feel, comfort, potential, even mileage...for my money, I'll take some space in a car. Nothing worse than a cramped up compartment just for the sake of looking sporty.

 

My mustang had just as much space as the Camaro, and without a hump in the back seat. But my Camaro looks 100x better. And handles better. I'm all about acceleration and 1/4 though.

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"Rice burners are like tampons...Every pu$$y has to have one"
'86 IROC
T-TOPS, TINTED WINDOWS, BRAKE LIGHT BLACKOUTS
GM GOODWRENCH 350
EDELBROCK TES HEADERS
3" Hooker CatBack w/Aero Chamber muffler
EDELBROCK 600CFM CARB.
KN AIRFILTER
ACCEL HEI DISTRIBUTOR
160* Stat, just switched to 180* b/c of winter coming and going to college in the mts.
3:73 Posi
Rebuilt 700R4
B&M Megashifter, 5" Autometer Tach w/shift lite

 

Owned mine for 4 years...never once failed to start on me. Aside from mods and reg maintainence....I haven't had to replace a thing.




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Mike
--Black '88 Mustang LX 5.0L AOD--
BBK Headers, Off-Road H-pipe, MAC 2.5" Cat-back exhaust, UD Pulleys
3.73's, FMS "C" Springs, Tokico Shocks,
'93 Pony rims, Saleen Spoiler
5-spd swap VERY soon

-14.42 @ 98MPH (w/ 2.4 60-footer)-
My car's website

 

Mine has gone 14.8 @ 95MPH bone stock...but it's hampered down by the AOD a lot. Right now i'm fighting serious traction issues to get it into the 13's. I guess I really need a set of drag radials for my car. My best so far is 14.4 @ 98MPH. I can't hook up at all and was pulling 2.3-2.4 60-footers. If i get some DR's and can pull a nice 1.9 60-footer, then I "should" be able to get really close to getting a 13.9 maybe...if not a 14.0.14.1. Again, this is without ever cracking a valve cover.

My friend has a 87 Notchback Mustang that is a factory no-options special order car. His BONE STOCK time was 14.2 @ 96MPH on street radials.

You never know what a 5.0 can do. You may see one one day and it's a 15.5 second pig, but then 2 seconds later you can see another one pulling mid 13's on minor bolt ons.


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Mike
--Black '88 Mustang LX 5.0L AOD--
BBK Headers, Off-Road H-pipe, MAC 2.5" Cat-back exhaust, UD Pulleys
3.73's, FMS "C" Springs, Tokico Shocks,
'93 Pony rims, Saleen Spoiler
5-spd swap VERY soon

-14.42 @ 98MPH (w/ 2.4 60-footer)-
My car's website

 

The Factory Stock class, which should be familiar to Mustang guys is a class where only production parts are used and there is no porting of anything. The car must have DOT tires, and there is a minimum weight of 3000lbs. If you use a Cobra intake, you add 100lbs and the same for GT-40 iron heads. These cars are running stout 12s. The last article I read said the #1 qualifier ran a 12.15, and the record is in the high 11s. Some people doubt this, but it happens and just proves that some people get better cars than others.