I want to know the how many of you agree with me or disagree. I mean.. a mustang is still muscle.

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87' Camaro Z28
305 TPI
Stage 2 hypertech chip
Custom ram air w/K&N's
air foil
shift kit
aluminum driveshaft
posi
VST gas ryder gas shocks
3" flowmasters
custom muffler

 

Disagree.

But if you want to drive a Camaro or a Mustang, then that's your choice, obviously. I have nothing against either of them.

Actually a Mustang LX with a 5.0 was my second choice, but I decided against it...I feel like my car is relatively "muscular" for what it is...and there is a lot of room for improvement.

I'm pretty certain that I'm in the minority here, though.

SPOOM

 

Yes, unless the import is a 360 Modena by Ferrari. Spoom what are you driving?

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1990 formula 350 tpi dual cat auto 9 bolt posi 3.27 ratio

 

It's an Eagle Talon TSi (turbo)...not a Ferrari, sorry!

 

Eagle Talon is built right here in Illinois so it is not really an import is it? Anyway I truly would rather not drive an import but I do anyway. My third car is a 83 toyota corolla made in japan all the way. It is a good car but is rusting to peices. My brother has a Talon for a second car, says he wouldn't buy another one because the metal is so thin and dents so easy.BB size hail will dent the roof.

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1990 formula 350 tpi dual cat auto 9 bolt posi 3.27 ratio

 

I actually like some stangs...I can admit that they are nice cars...but they do not compare to an F-body. I would own one as a second car...probably a yellow Stang...b/c they look great in Yellow. But then again I do like Supra's, 3000 GT's, and 300 ZX's. But as far as cars that I couldnt ever afford...probably a Ferrari 360 Modena Spider...or some other exotic European car. I would never say never. Because you never know...hey maybe one day I will be driving a rice rocket...but I will always have an F-body no matter how long I live.

 

Nothing beats the hair standing loud growl of a muscle car exhaust!


No fart tips please

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1988 Jet Black IROC
5.7L W/ 64000 miles
Flowmaster Exhaust
Fully Loaded
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My IROC

 

"Eagle Talon is built right here in Illinois so it is not really an import is it?...My third car is a 83 toyota corolla made in japan all the way."

Well...some newer Toyotas (the Camry) are built in Bowling Green, Ky...same town that Corvettes are made in...but I don't consider them "domestic"...just like some Camaros are built in Canada...but I don't consider them to be "imports"

My car is a mongrel, anyway...the product of a joint venture between Mitsubishi and Chrysler and distributed under three different nameplates. I've read that the bodystyle is mostly due to one of Chrysler's concept cars, while the turbo engine and drivetrains are 100% Mitsubishi 4G63 (same basic design as the Japanese Mitsu Lancer turbos), while the nonturbo engines in the 95-99's are based on the Neon's 420A...and as you said, they were all built in Normal, Illinois.

"My brother has a Talon for a second car, says he wouldn't buy another one because the metal is so thin and dents so easy.BB size hail will dent the roof."

Ummmmm...I don't see that the metal in my car is any thicker or thinner than the metal in any other steel-bodied car built in the last 10 years or so...anyone have any hard data to confirm or deny this assertion? I'd be interested in seeing it.

SPOOM

 

I don't care what you drive. Baseball size hail is going to put a dent in any roof. Now, if you mean basketball size hail will only dent the roof, I want a car with that kind of durability.

 

I would never choose an import over any american muscle car. I would rather be beaten by a mustang than an import as well.

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'86 IROC
T-TOPS, TINTED WINDOWS, BRAKE LIGHT BLACKOUTS
GM GOODWRENCH 350
EDELBROCK TES HEADERS
3" Hooker CatBack w/Aero Chamber muffler
EDELBROCK 600CFM CARB.
KN AIRFILTER
ACCEL HEI DISTRIBUTOR
160* Stat
3:73 Posi
Rebuilt 700R4
B&M Megashifter, 5" Autometer Tach w/shift lite

 

I think he was talking about bb size hail as in a bb gun? That's what I got out of it, but if it is baseball, damn where do you live!!?

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1992 RS 3.1L Bone Stock

"Yeah, it's a V6 SO WHAT!?"

 

"I would rather be beaten by a mustang than an import as well."

I think you just nailed the reason why it's fun to drive an import.

There was one particular LT1 owner who I edged out in the 1/8th...he'd been eyeing my car closely in the staging lanes and asking a lot of questions. After the finishing lights, I braked before he did, and the guy was pounding on his steering wheel. I'll bet it's harder to get that kind of reaction when you beat someone in a pony car...

You win some, you lose some.

SPOOM

 

I would rather have a mustang because in the long run it's American vs Import. So stop talking about hail and answer the question. Mustang or import??

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91 Z28, 350
Dynomax cat back, K&N filters and gutted airbox

 

LOL. BB gun totally slipped my mind. I could see how he'd be upset about that.

 

I would much rather drive a mustang than an import. American muscle is the way to go!!!!

 

baseball size hail, haha. ..

Mustang vote here.

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* 88 Firebird, 2.8, auto
* 88 GTA Trans AM, 5.7, auto

 

If I didn't have my IROC it would have to be an 87' buick grand national I couldn't bear the thought of driving a mustang knowing that it'll be breaking down 3 times a week...always remember 90% of all fords are still on the road..that's because only 10% make it home..



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"Turn a 12 second dream into a 10 second reality"

 

I would think about it but are you guys having stuff against import cars or ricers? I don't care much for those huge spoilers, fart tips and clear tailights but if they have a nice clean car and they made it fast, props to them. Now an import I would drive? A Nissan 300zx twin turbo. Those are sweet cars. As long as it's not riced out.....

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1992 RS 3.1L Bone Stock

"Yeah, it's a V6 SO WHAT!?"

 

i would take a Mustang over a rice mobile any day.

DOMESTIC OVER IMPORTS!!

 

Disagree
Id take an import like a Nissan Skyline, Jaguar, Ferrari, Lamborghini, Aston Martin.... the list goes on.

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86 SC LG4 305
T-tops Auto
Approaching 230,000 miles.

 

Depends on the stang and the import. A nice black Mustang convertable wouldn't be bad. But I like the look of some imports too. But I have my Camaro so I'm happy.

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1992 Camaro RS
5.0L TBI
Custom white-faced gauges
K&N Airfilter and ready to take on the world!
My 1992 RS

 

This depends heavily on which import we're talking about. If my choice were between a Mustang and A) a Supra Twin Turbo B) a 3000GT VR4 or C) an Mazda RX-7, then the import probably wins. Simply put, Mustangs are horribly ugly, and it seems to me that particularly the Supra or the RX-7 have a lot more potential when it comes to laying down eye-popping quarter mile times and still being civilized, reliable daily drivers. Plus the rotary engine intrigues me, and the RX-7 weighs almost nothing.

Against any other import, the Mustang probably wins. What can I say, I like American made V-8's with cubes. I understand them, they're easy to work on, they sound awesome, and they make *torque* Oh yea, I wouldn't buy *anything* that was front wheel drive.

Willie C.

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86 Trans Am WS6

It takes some ***** to do your quarter-miling on foot.
Recent ET's:
@Atlanta 50.80
@Southeastern 50.62
@Mtn Laurel 50.04
Future mods: More endurance workouts and some 300 meter repeats. Projected E.T., 49.8

 

i would also take a GN if i couldnt drive a F-body only stang id ever drive is my grandpas 70 w/351c, ram air, and all the cool shiznit.

 

once you go domestic you never go back......im never going back.....bring on the hemis, saleens, r/t's, and z28's i dont care what it is as long as its an american v8

 

ditto, bro!!!!!!!

 

Man I dont know about the mustang breaking down 3 times a week and the camaro not breaking down.......... 4 of my friends have 5.0 mustangs and they NEVER have to repair them............ Im calling BS on that. In fact i bet if you looked in consumer reports the mustang scores higher.

 

Im talking about the kind of imports that buzz and whine and are fraking annoying, thousands of stickers, big wings, wird lights, Looks like a freaking spaceship! lol
Those kind of imports, or a mustang.

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87' Camaro Z28
305 TPI
Stage 2 hypertech chip
160 degree thermostat
Custom ram air w/K&N's
air foil
shift kit
aluminum driveshaft
posi
VST gas ryder gas shocks
3" flowmasters
Vortex cherry bomb high flow muffler

 

Im talking about the kind of imports that buzz and whine and are fraking annoying, thousands of stickers, big wings, wird lights, Looks like a freaking spaceship! lol
Those kind of imports, or a mustang.


Obviously the Mustang would be preferable in that case...however you and I both realize that not EVERY import looks like that, and there are a number that look relatively stock and can run some decent numbers.

In fact, in my town, there is an 88-92 Fox body which is sporting the worst cliches of traditional rice AND domestic rice...TWO fart tips, a huge Supra-style spoiler that is taller than the roof, lowered on GT rims, chrome striping along the bottom of the car, assorted stickers in the rear quarter windows...it's unbelievable. Maybe I'll catch this monstrosity with a digital camera.

Oh yeah...it's the four-cylinder Mustang, to boot. The "dual" exhausts sound about what you would imagine a four-cylinder with two fart tips would sound like...a colonic nightmare.

SPOOM
92 TSi fwd

 

At my house we have 3 Chevy's and a Nissan. It's a 1983 Nissan 280 ZX, and honestly I can't remember when it's ever been broken down. This is one of the most reliable cars I've ever seen. We've had it since the middle to late 80's and it's still running strong. I remember one night I got into a race with a Mustang 5.0. I still wasn't very good at driving a standard and he only edged me out by less than a half a car length. It just depends on what your choices are.

 

I beg to differ I have a 87 camaro IROC-Z 350 and I work with 3 other people who all own mustangs..I'll give you a quick summary of the past 6 months with our cars..One of them has an 87 mustang gt it's been broken down 3 times just this past week..he's replaced the carb on it 2 times in the past 6 months,rebuilt the tranny,new clutch,blew the rear out on the car,I can't count how many times his car has sat at work for days at a time cause it wouldn't start. Ahh and onto number two 1991 mustang lx notchback snapped his belts(then drove home like that),reaplced the tranny,new radiator,new cooling fans. and last but not least..another 1987 mustang gt..has had the motor rebuilt,then eventually had the motor replaced,new tranny,mangled his driveshaft somehow,replaced pretty much his entire cooling system. And let's see in the past 6 months all I've had to do to my camaro is put gas in it,change the oil,and I put a set of racing wires on it when I put my headers on the car. Now I'm not saying a camaro won't break down but from my experiences I haven't had any problems with it. Even my old 87 sport coupe V8 would never break down and I used to beat the living hell out of the car and it had well over 100k on it. But hey what do I know..



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"Turn a 12 second dream into a 10 second reality"

 

I don't believe eagle is even a company anymore... but I am surprised nobody caught this in 29 posts... Eagle was a division of Chrysler...

 

FORD = Fix Or Repair Daily

 

Yeah my parents had an 86 yellow mustang and that thing crapped out all the time they said. The transmission went out every 20,000 miles if not less, timing belt, freeze plugs and a bunch of other things crapped out all the time. Oh, not to mention that the floor around the drivers side seat busted out and we had to re weld the floor back on... I won't even get started on the taurus we used to have....FORD Found On Roadside Dead!!

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1992 Polo Green RS 3.1L K&N conical and working on the ram air....

"Yeah, it's a V6 SO WHAT!?"

 

I love mustangs, heh I actually know more about mustangs than our cars...wait who am I kidding, I know lots more about 3rd gens and 4th gens. But I do love the mustangs, I wanted a SN95 yellow mustang convertible since I was little. Too bad for me, I want a notchback now, a Fox body. I hate the chevy vs ford thing. They are all great cars, better than buying a mercedes benz like the arabs do, atleast its AMERICAN.

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1990 G92 5spd LB9 - 3.42 80,000 miles

Accel Ignition/Wires (8.8mm), Advanced Timing, TB Bypass, Ported and Gasket Matched Plenum, Synthetic Motor Oil, 160 Thermo, TPIS Airfoil, K&N Air Filters, Centerforce I Pressure Plate and Clutch, Edelbrock TES Headers, Dual Cats, Edelbrock RPM Series Catback, Homemade Ram Air, Bosch +4 Platinum Plugs

14.4 @ 94mph w/2.0622 60ft (w/o headers and catback)

14.426 @ 96.19mph w/2.167 60ft(w/headers and catback)

Also newly modded w/o track times:

Holley AFPR, Underdrive Pulleys, KYB Shocks and Struts, Crane Ignition

 

That's what I say, the Chevy vs. Ford thing is like the North vs. South during the Civil War. I think in the future there will be less people hating Ford and vice versa with Chevy, because the focus is turning to the import scene. Personally, I don't care if I drive a Mustang, I've owned a couple as long as it isn't an import *****.

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'86 IROC
T-TOPS, TINTED WINDOWS, BRAKE LIGHT BLACKOUTS
GM GOODWRENCH 350
EDELBROCK TES HEADERS
3" Hooker CatBack w/Aero Chamber muffler
EDELBROCK 600CFM CARB.
KN AIRFILTER
ACCEL HEI DISTRIBUTOR
160* Stat
3:73 Posi
Rebuilt 700R4
B&M Megashifter, 5" Autometer Tach w/shift lite

 

Personally I've noticed many fords to tough, if nothing else. I think that I actually like ford somewhat better than gm. Their are some sharp imports tho and personally I love all subarus. 95 Eclipses are nice, the new accords...But really I think I'd take a mustang, preferably and old Mach 1 with 428 Cobra Jet, or maybe a 429 Cobra Jet, or a 351 C...


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1981 Oldsmobile Supreme Brougham... 403 V8, bored .030 over, Blue Racer Wolverine camshaft with hydraulic lifters, 700 Edelbrock carb, stock intake, K&N air filter, Bosch plugs and wires, dual exhaust...400 turbo...

1985 Ford LTD Crown Victoria 4dr...302 TBI V8, Bosch +4 plugs and wires, K&N air filter...AOD transmission...3.08 non posi

 

Mustang. No questions asked. They sound better, look better and they are muscle. Although i'd still take my IROC over a Stang anyday.

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86' IROC-Z
5.0L TPI
Spohn panhard bar and LCA's

 

Don't get me wrong, mustangs are okay and I love thirdgens but if i had to pick between a mustang and an import, I would go for a 93+ toyota supra, you can beat a twin turbo V6, and it's rear wheel drive also. I don't know of any stock mustangs that could touch a twin turbo V6. However, if the supra was unavailable it would be stang, because I hate front wheel drive cars. Mostly rice, but any in general.

 

depends , i wouldnt take a civic over a stang , but you give me a 300zx twin turbo , a tt bpu supra , i would take them over any stang any year anyday , but i choose to drive a camaro , over anything , it may not be the fastest but there is just something about the feel of it that i love .

 

see, i don't know about the imports. I love my camaro(92), but the power isn't there, and the amount of money it would take to getit there could be swapped for a vette.

My friends dad has a 1996 3000GT vr4 spyder, and that thing is a giant. Slightly modified, it could kick anythings *** I've ever been in, including my uncles C5. If I get the chance, I'm picking one up. Keep the camaro for my love, keep the GT for the ricers.

 

well if I had to choose import or mustang??
easy I would take a porche, lamborgini, ferrari, lotus or something like that anyday over a mustang or your f-body for that matter.

but if youare talking the import that we all can afford now.. well depends on the car. how can you say something is bad just b/c it is an import

so far I have had a 71 camaro and I admit I miss the car but it was a car I had to work on a lot. and I was getting 10 mpg with a destroked 400SBC with 4.11 in the rear. I still miss that car though

then came my 78 celica and that car is still ticking to this day. the car was slower then crap. I mean no ***** what so ever. but it has 248k miles on it. never been rebuilt. when I first bought it, the guy had it sitting for about a year and it started right up. I hit the redline on still and it has never really broke down on me except for the starter once. so far the car has been abused. I have ran it in the winter with no coolant in the system and I am not lying there. as I said the car still sees the redline all the time. and I am still pulling between 20-25 mpg. but would I rather own a mustang rather then this car... heck yeah.

now I own my 87 rx7 and I would not give this car up for a mustang at all. stock for stock I can out turn most mustangs and f body cars. stock I was pulling about 15.9 in the 1/4 with 158 on the car.. now I have 168k and I am running 15.1 with a 1.3!! oh yeah I dont have a turbo either.. this car still gets to se 7000-8000 rpms a day many many times. I drag race it as well as auto-x and I have had no problems except for my tranny but honest do you think your tranny would last when the clutch gets dumped at 6000-7000 rpms??

heck I would even own a honduh if I had the chance. I would not try to make it faster but I would use it b/c it gets like what 30-35mpg and it is a nice family car.

but also there are some true import sports cars out there worth thinking about. 300zx,supra,rx7,skyline,3000GT, just to name a few.
but please dont start to flame me saying I am stupid and blah blah blah. I still love domestic but I respect all cars domestic or not. sorry but I have seen to many domestics that are just as stupid and think just like a some guy in a honduh with a fart can get his a$$ handed to him and vise versa

and also it is kinda funny watching one of my rx7 friends who is running 12.7 in the 1/4 and pushing 278 hp with his little 1.3L wake up a few domestic owners out there :-)
though he has lost his fair share as well

again though to each there own..

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ICQ 4116192
AIM RXspeed87
Got rotary?
hon-duhs breakfast of champs
gotta love the camaro

 

I hate to say this, but IMPORT!!!! Depending though. Not a stupid a$$ Civic Si. They suck. Sooo Slow. I own a 1997 Eclipse GS-T. I have it pretty modded and I smoke third gens and mustangs all night long. I also own a 1988 Trans Am L98. I love it, but facts are facts. Turbo IS very fast. Mustang just doesn't have it. Now... if you turbo a third-gen!?!?! Mmmmmm???

Eclipse(2.0 Turbo)5 speed- 4" Greddy evolution cat-back, carbon fiber interior, racing clutch, racing brakes(four wheel cross drilled discs), 9 psi turbo(16 PSI Soon!), cold air, intercooler, factory "ram air", Greddy turbo timer, short throw, Z-rated tires, etc.

 

Got any timeslips, yet?

 

"...my Eclipse is a 2.0 Turbo(9PSI)5 speed"

Is this based on the stock boost gauge, or do you have an aftermarket gauge? Why is your turbo at 9 lbs of boost, when it should be closer to 13-14 lbs stock?*

*the service manual actually says 14.5 lbs of boost

"...with cold air"

Who manufactures a COLD air intake for a turbo DSM???

"...Greddy 4" Evolution cat-back"

Greddy doesn't make a 4" system...3" is the biggest available.

"To tell you the truth... V8 has nothing on me. I love all f-bodys. I always will, but from experience... go with the turbo"

There are many V8's faster than inline 4's with turbos. Although there are many fast turbo 4's, there are just as many if not MORE very fast V8's. Remember, there's always someone faster out there.

SPOOM

[This message has been edited by SPOOM (edited October 05, 2001).]

 

I know lots of people with stock engined (with the exception of pulleys) Mustangs running 13s and even in the 12s. These are all 5.0s, and most have never had the valve covers off. My dads 91 LX has gone 13.72 with the stock motor and horrible 1.9 60 foots. He hopes for low 13s next time out, and maybe go past the second round of stock heads up racing. This is just for the people who say that Mustangs are slow. You show me a 10 year old "affordable" import running 12s on the stock motor, and I'll show you five Mustangs doing it every weekend.

 

oh yeah I will take this import anyday

http://www.vwvortex.com/news/02_01/0...on/index.shtml

here ya go for imports suck and those that also say that guys with v6's suck

this would put us all to shame and ALL of us would suck if you follow those views

 

I would have to say Mustang(Owned one before my camaro so i guess thats why) Also around here i find that most imports that are half fast cost way more then an american V8's !!!

 

What 10 year old Mustang is running 13's on a stock motor. Sure the motor maybe stock, but I doubt the exhaust, gears, or TC are. Older Mustangs ran in the vacinity of low 15's didn't they.

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"Rice burners are like tampons...Every pu$$y has to have one"
'86 IROC
T-TOPS, TINTED WINDOWS, BRAKE LIGHT BLACKOUTS
GM GOODWRENCH 350
EDELBROCK TES HEADERS
3" Hooker CatBack w/Aero Chamber muffler
EDELBROCK 600CFM CARB.
KN AIRFILTER
ACCEL HEI DISTRIBUTOR
160* Stat
3:73 Posi
Rebuilt 700R4
B&M Megashifter, 5" Autometer Tach w/shift lite

 

My 89 AOD equipped Mustang ran a 15.12 BONE STOCK with 2.73 gears at Lebanon Dragway, and my dads did a 14.76 BONE STOCK also a Lebanon Valley. As for the gears and suspension currently his does have gears, but the suspension is stock, besides the removed sway bar, and the motor only has pulleys. If you could find a healthy 87-88 speed density 5.0 you may see some stock 14.5s or better. Another thing to account for is that Lebanon Valley is sea level. I know that there is about a .3 difference in E.T. between Lebanon Valley and Englishtown, which is at sea level.

 

Spoom, allow me to clarify. The cold air is fabricated, not manufactured. Yes, the turbo is in fact 9 Lbs. I recently turned it down. I'm waiting to buy a bigger one and right now I'm trying to save a little engine life. I believe it will need it. I'm **** like that. Second, the exaust is 4" tip, and yes 3" the rest of the way. Sorry I wrote it poorly. I understand V8's are fast. However, most of the people that drive them assume that 4 cylinders are not. Hence, why I love blowing there doors off. They always looked so surprised. Is my car the fastest out there? No. I'm not stupid. I'm just tired of hearing about a slow *** stock 305 that could "beat all 4 cylinders". That's just plain ridiculous.