I've got a 91 305 tpi auto. Its got the cold air/ ram air mod with full exhaust and 275's in the rear. My buddy just got an acura tl-s and he swears it will destroy me. The car has 286 horse with around 238lbs of tq. And it's front wheel drive and weighs a little more.


From a stop i think I would win because surely he cant hook up and get traction. I think it would be close race though.


What do yall think?

I'm not to worried because my car is getting ready for a built ls1/t56 swap.

 

Why ask? Just race.

 

He will pull on you pretty badly the way you are...

 

I think he will take you no problem

 

race him from a dig and if you leave first ul beat him to 60-70


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and how do u figure that?

 

Doubtful the TL has about 80 more HP and only about 30 less tq I think his tq numbers are low. The TL also has a faster shifting transmission that most likely has less drive train loss and more gears so it will be right in the proper power band when he mashes the pedal.

I would put the TL-S as a winner vs a near stock TBI 305 in any situation.

I am not sure the year of your friends TL but the the TL-S with the 3.5-liter VTEC V6 produces 286 bhp at 6200 rpm and 256 lb.-ft. of torque at 5000. It also runs low 14s factory

With minor boltons the M6 versions can run a ~13.7 fairly easy

 

I have my doubts even with a stock 5.7 TPI, it may not look like it could beat us but that's not what matters, what matters us the 1/4 times it posts, and if that Acura can run mid 14s and your buddy knows how to drive from a dig most likely he will come out ahead.


And its not really fair 13 years apart, that Acura needs at least a stock 1993 - 1994 4th gen LT1 Camaro or trans am to kick its ***. Or a real beefed up 350 TPI making 300 - 350hp and 350lbs torque & a T56 for max power

 

u guys and your pencil and number races. im sayin the op will HAVE to outdrive the acura to HANG with it. the acura is obviously going to pull it. but the op is has a 305 on 275x tires hes going to leave the line with almost no wheelspin. if he can react harder then his friend, the op should hang til about 60-70mph


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its also a tpi not tbi biggg torque difference


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the acura simply has more hp

 

Ok Ill say that to 50 his bolt on tpi shouldnt have a problem hanging with it, the 91 tpi was the best year even with the peanut cam. Just back off when you hit the speed limit and the camaro will look better. Racing smart will help you look better!

 

The only way he could out drive the Acura is if his friend falls asleep at the wheel wakes up 20 minutes later, rubs a quick one out and takes a dump before racing. Then again if he skips his crap it will probably be close.

The TL will do 0-60 in 5.5-5.8 more than fast enough to romp an auto 305TPI with a **** rear end.

I have done this race using a 260HP CL-S 6mt and raped the 305 TPI auto. Even if his friends TL is an auto it makes more HP and is about the same 1/4 and only slightly slower 0-60.

I love third gens but the TL-S is fairly fast for a stock heavy sedan

 

who told u that? 91,best year?

 

With that rear and 700R4 he will be ok next to the TL until he gets out of first gear. After he shift into second it will be a joke.

 

my 88 had 230hp 24years ago and tthat dnt mean my slippin trans and 150whp wont get out there and beat cars it has no buisness racing, wins, cobalt ss turbo,c4 tpi vette, infiniti g35. its not what you got, its how u use it. everyone here agrees the op wil get smoked.... soo... leave right after the 2nd honk and dnt look back. if he chased he raced


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Just for fun here is a stock dyno of a 6mt vs auto TL-S 2007 about 220 whp

 

how did u beat a G35?

 

So what your saying is if he cheats grabs a head start then he will be able to win for a short amount of time. Sounds like the opposite of a ***** flyby or going before the light turns green.

Any of those cars would smoke you all day every day

 

Read his post he did it by cheating and leaving early

 

i drive the same at my track as i do on the street and i have never redlighted at the track. and leavin on a redlight on the street is stupid and dangerous. btw i beat each car i just mentioned off streetlights. the c4 was on its last leg. the cobalt dumped his clutch and burnt out and the g35... well idk his issue but i had him by a car til we let off about 80 mph. he WAS pulling tho.


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where in my post did it describe me leaving early? we left off a street light. in fact i waited to hear him leave because i did not think he was going to go. maybe you two should get together hell teach u how to read and u can teach him how to launch his car.



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But that is the problem though, he at least needs a stall and a better camshaft to hang with the Acura. He could step as hard on the throttle as he likes while screaming and making faces, but it won't change the fact that he is limited to the stock stall speed converter, and its still going to shift like a dog, and his rate of acceleration will suffer. Cam, stall and tune and he might have the edge, but until then, he is toast...

 

I shouldn't have worded it like that. I meant it more or less as the later year third gen's have more power, although I just looked again and only the t-5 cars got 230 hp.

 

You said second honk most go on 3rd including you from other posts so yes leaving early cheating. You did not mention a street light. You also left out important details about the cars condition.

It would be the same as someone saying I beat a veryon and not saying it had a blown engine.

So I will agree if the TL has a half dead engine he should win.

 

how do i win??? im stock as a rock w/ 2.77 gear but when i raced a 04 gtp we were neck n neck til 70. the one lt1 trans am i raced couldnt catch me til 3rd gear. the c4, the g35, the golf gti was so far behind i didnt believe it was a gti. if all these cars smoke me. then y dont they?


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And the TL is going to use traction control and launch without wheel spin.

 

Probably because they did not think you were racing and they were only driving normal

 

the ONLY time i EVER left early in a race was vs my brothers friends 2011 wrx. we did a 20roll and he told me to "just go". so i did and got shat upon


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the ONLY time i EVER left early in a race was vs my brothers friends 2011 wrx. we did a 20roll and he told me to "just go". so i did and got shat upon


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That is not what this says

 

maybe they weren't really racing you

 

dont act dumb if you were at the track and you waited to see those lights turn green to let off the brakes youd get left everytime. i race off the same 3 or 4 streetlights almost everytime. and i KNOW when theyr about to turn. if i jumped when i race id redlight at the track. and id get in fights on the street. but i tree hard and i race well. me havin 200hp is keepin it fair for everyone else. lmao jk the last part


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dude, you might think differently if the thirdgen was not your only car,thirdgen's can be quick,but the problem lies with not being able to make power up high. The new cars do ,plus they have better technology. Things like VVT, DOHC,4 valves/cylinder,lighter weight materials,etc,etc

 

your right maybe they wernt racing me. becuse g35s just do 70+ mph in a 45. i talked to the guy in the vette. and the cobalt race happened at the track.


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Love your thirdgen for what it is.

 

believe what you want, maybe the previous owner dropped an LS1 in your car and you didn't know it!

 

im about to get off work. 91, we can continue this troll session tomarrow.



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im goin home and checkin baby girls fluids, then im going to go find some ***** or muskrat make him eat dirt. enjoy your bench racing


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There was no 2004 TL-S, they only had them in 2007 and 2008... I have a 2002 TL-S (previous generation), which is a high 14/low 15 second car.

With the manual, the 3.5 TL-S run low 14's as is and with some bolt ons can sneak into the 13's at about 100mph.

 

It's so not fair, I mean its almost like cheating, a turbo v6 20 years ago was a huge thing like the end of the world or something and totally rare like the '89 v6 turbo t/a, but now today you can get a boosted v6 that can beat yesterdays V8s and they are as common as Mitt Romneys Flip Flops

 

yea we wernt trolling hard enough. lets add politics to the thread. *heavy sarcasm*


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There is a turbo TA local by my place come get it

http://rochester.craigslist.org/cto/3416059436.html

 

or how about a Toyota Rav 4 v6 SUV. Runs low 14's

 

haha, about 5 years ago when i had a stock 305 tpi in my 86, i found out the hard way pulling up to one of those. it baffled the hell out out me, i couldnt rap my head around it for the longest time why that thing blew me away lol. but i was only 17 and dumb then

 

that's funny

 

hahahaha that explains soo much my i almost gave up on racing after a run in with a rav4 in my 1st car (86 trans am stock 305carb)


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I'd love to own an '89 tta but for 13 grand it better be all original engine and trans wise and factory down to the steering wheel, I hate those aftermarket ones ppl put on limited rare f-bodys like the grant Wannabe formula steering wheel

 

So, which is it?

 

both. im assuming that i have about 150whp and around 200 bhp sooo buzz off im trollin with my boy 91 lol