Ok here it is
Im gonna race this 2001 mustang..its stock
I have a 85 iroc lb9 all stock,60,000 miles
who is gonna win the 1/4
and by how much roughly
thanks

 

is it a GT??? if it is then he will win. They run low 14s/high13s. You will run a high 15 at best.

 

Is your car auto or 5-speed? And the new Mustang GT does not pull 13's in the real world maybe a absolute best of 13.9 but I doubt it. Most run mid 14's

 

maybe you should tell that to nic or go read my post " I just gotta brag". I think your underestimating a little. I have heard of bone stock 2001 GTs running 13.7s.

 

I'm geussing your car could go mid 15s, because of the good mileage, if it's in good shape. And YES the Gts go 13s, my I've seen a whole bunch go 14.2-14.5 but a woman I know ran a 13.8 with an auto convertable and just gears. With a stock coupe it could be easily done with the right driver.

 

Um once again, 13.7 no 13.99999999 maybe. And just gears hell they already have 3.23's so that will make quite a difference. Where I live everyone has mustangs. All of the people from omaha bring there mustangs HP MOTORSPORT sticker and all. The best I have ever seen a 1999+ GT run is 14.3 and he tried and tried to get that #.

 

I think I've posted this before, but here's an example of what a bone stock 99+ GT can do when the driver isn't afraid to drive it:

 

Thanks Nic!!!

 

Thanks for posting that Nic. YES they can, and do go 13s, just beause you havn't seen it. Lets not get into a war over this.

 

Timeslip or not I doubt it, that car is most likely one of those stock except for bolt ons cars.

 

Bone Stock Mustangs cannot go 13.6. Exhaust and Filter make it not bone stock. Bone Stock means straight off the floor with nothing touched yet. Lightly modded is different. Lightly modded means filter, exhaust,headers, and other non engine mods. He is going to race a bone stock Mustang GT and it will NOT run a 13. I agree with CODY BEHNKE but you could loose.

 

That car WAS bone stock, down to the paper filter and stock mufflers. No bolt on's, no nothing. Exactly as it came off the showroom floor. 13.60's - 13.70's are not all that uncommon guys. Some of you just refuse to give credit where credit is due.

 

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Are you guys really that ignorant!! I mean come on we are all adults. Just because you haven't seen it doesn't mean it doesn't exist. why would we lie about this. Mustangs are capable of running thirteens stock. Yes...this probably won't happen on the street but it can happen on the track. Nic has more than shown that stock mustangs CAN run thirteens...why don't you (Aggresive Racer, Cody Behnke) show proof that they can't. YOU CAN'T!!! So lets end this because its not accomplishing anything. The answer to Lincolnhawks question is that he WILL get beat.

END OF THREAD!!

bye

 

Thanks for all the responses.we should race on monday
she keep ssaying her husband will gtech it?whatever that means to prove it can run a 13..anyways thanks again

 

Hey wait a minute hold the phone, Aggresive racer Cody here.
All I am saying is the Mustangs that Nic have timeslips for are the cars that are stock except for K&N, Cat-Back kind of cars. And after all how do we really know that was from a stock GT anyway? If I put a 12 second timeslip on here for my S10 is that what it runs too? As far as the "just because I didn't see it doesn't mean they can't" stuff well over the course of the racing year at Scribner I have seen over 20 of the 99+ GT's run and none of them ran under 14.0. This is bull the GT's get totally killed by the weakest LS1 most of them run 13.5. So let me guess the 99+ Cobra can run 12.9 yeah right. Call me aggressive but no way am I giving a dang Mustang any credit here. Who cares if he'll get beat.

 

first off I wasn't calling you aggresive racer...I was addressing Aggresive racer. Second is that you still haven't proven your point. Just because YOU have only seen 20 mustangs run above 14.0 doesn't mean that they can't run well into the 13s. Nic wouldn't just stick a time slip on there and lie about it. He has no reason to.

THAT WAS THE WHOLE POINT OF THIS POST!!!!

 

On the other post Nic said it has a K&N and Magnaflows welded in so that makes it not BONE STOCK. Plus he probably will loose but EVERYONE here knows that a BONE stock 01 Z28 LS1 will destroy a BONE stock 01 GT. THAT IS THE FACTS AND IT HAS BEEN PROVEN BY REAL RACERS ON THE STREET AND ALL THE MAGAZINES.

 

Very true. but we weren't argueing that! EVERYONE knows that the new camaros and trans ams are bad *** as hell and would walk all over the new mustangs!! GM power baby! Gotta love it!

 

Yeah, But I was still right! It wasn't bone stock. Mufflers and a K&N help a little, plus I'm sure there's more too.

 

I have to support No4N on this one, partly anyway. The point is he will get beat. As far as what a stock GT will run, you aren't considering location. And don't tell me it doesn't make a difference, b/c it does. I have heard people on this site say that a stock 91 Z-28 can run 14.2 in California. You think I believe that? But, on the other hand I haven't seen it, so who knows.

 

Yeah you definitely have a point there. Lower elevation is going to give the better time.

 

There is no way that timeslip is from a bone stock Mustang GT!! 2.075 60ft time.......ya right!!! 2.2 to 2.6 60ft. times are the norm for those cars stock. LS1's with slicks are only hittin 1.90-2.0 60ft. times and we all know that LS1's are far superior to lil 4.6 stangs. I have never seen any bone stock Mustang run even close to that and I live in Michigan which is right at sea level. Oh ya 13.6 @ 100.78 mph without slicks or suspension work....right!! Why don't you go to your Mustang site and talk about how fast your "all stock" cars are.

 

Thanks BAD327IROC for saying it once again cause that Mustang isn't BONE STOCK but it is lightly modded and it still can't beat a BONE STOCK 99+ LS1.

 

Try taking off the blindfold and reading a little more carefully and you might learn something. The one that had the K&N and Magnaflows was an Auto and ran 13.93. You'll get to see that ones tail lights if you come out to Bud's Creek while we're there. The one that ran 13.6 is a 5 speed '01 GT and it WAS bone stock, exactly as it was straight off the showroom floor. Yes, the air was perfect at Darlington that night, yes the track was hooking, and yes that guy was a damn good driver, but if there's any "best" comparison of one car to another and what they're capable of, it's under ideal conditions. It's funny how all you kids that are fresh into this forum doubt me, but the ones who've been around for a while and know me know that I've been around drag racing and mustangs long enough to know what these things can and can't do. I seriously doubt any of you 16 year olds have been around the scene or even Mustangs long enough to have better judgement on what they can and can't do than someone who's been living with them daily for over 15 years and goes to more Mustang only drag racing events in two months than you'll ever go to in your entire lifetime. Nobody on here has said a 4.6L GT is faster than an LS1, that would be ridiculous.

 

Just for the record i'm 23 but anyway as many people put it you must have factory freak or something. I mean if a GT stock runs that fast why buy a Cobra or even a Cobra R for that matter, they run 13,s too. Hmmmmm Cobra runs 13.5 Cobra R runs 13.1.

 

Well first of all I have been coming to this site for a while now but always looking at it with my brother. Second I come from a family of Mechanics like my father who has been working on Camaros and trashy Mustangs since you where sperm. He knows twice as much as you and can work on any type of car to diagnose it and fix it. My grandfather has been a Mechanic for longer and my brother for about 9 years in and out of the Marines was a mechanic. I have been working there for about 3 suumers and all we do is talk about cars all day. I know more than what you think and I am 17 going to school half a day and work the rest of the day in our own shop. My father reads some the posts I write and can agree with alot of the Mustang and Camaro posts.I know more than you now than when you are 17 and you probably paid for training but I get the best training for free and in a few years will be able to do everything you do except I will still be like 22. But with all of our experience everyone here knows that Camaros are the faster, better quality, better looking for sure, and #1 car.
AND WHEN YOU DO COME DOWN TO BUDDS CREEK YOU CAN LOOK AT THE TAIL LIGHTS, TIRES, SMOKE, OR WHATEVER YOU WANT OF OUR 406ci. MALIBU. Thanks Nic for posting and I hope you say something back so I can go get my father to school you on Mechanic's. I HOPE THAT YOU HAVE LEARNED SOMETHING TOO.

PS: How old are U?:)

 

Yes factory freaks are still mustangs, and that means they can run 13s. No 99.9% of new mustangs can't beat LS1s but the race is not with an LS1. Yes they can also run 2.0 60 foot times on radials. My AOD can pull 2.2s with a stock converter at idle, and anyone whos driven a 5-speed and an auto knows the 5-speed will pull much harder off the line. Like was stated before, just cause you havn't seen it, doesn't mean it cannot be done.

 

Your father AgressiveRacer is, I'm presuming, a back yard mechanic who only knows what he has experienced or what his father and friends has taught him. Nic on the other hand has had this same experience AND schooling (I'm guessing). You obviously don't understand how much tech schools teach you.
But you will soon find out!!

 

Yeah he probably knows all the numbers and sh*t but my father has worked at dealerships and everything since he was like 15 and has never been a backyard mechanic. We have had own our own shop since the early 80's and are trusted by evreyone around here (we dont live in a city with population of 200, we live right outside DC) for being the best. Plus I plan on going to tech school in a while anyway. Hey Nic what school did you go to?

 

OK ok....i dont think no one is lying yet....the times for the gt are far of from eachother.....
What i dont understand is this...if a cobra runs a 13.1 or something..and cost like 20,00 more than a gt that will run a hgigher end 13....why do they sell cobras?I would rather buy a gt and spend 20,ooo in the enigine?

Does anyone have tthe fors spec realese for 2001 gts?
thnaks

 

Think about it!!! The ratings for the GT are low 14s right. BUT there have been cases where someone ran a mid 13 with one. Therefore...if Cobras are rated for low 13s chances are they can probably run mid 12s. Nic got any timeslips for the newer cobras??

 

ok...did some research,the bullit gt mustang for 2001...was a higher model than the regular gt...not only looks ie spoiler rim ect...more horse more torque...the time on it was 14.1
so therefore in my opion a less powewred normal gt would run a 14.6 or so...
here is the link

http://homepage.mac.com/kevinleslie/specs.html

 

I'm going to try and adress everything here, but please excuse me if I miss something...

LincolnHawk,

You think 5 peak horsepower and 5 ft lbs of torque in a car that weighs 100 - 200 lbs more with a stiffer suspension is going to make for a faster car? I don't, but just so we're on fair playing grounds here...Evan Smith of MM&FF got a 13.9 out of the Bullit and a 13.7 out of the '01 GT.

FWIW, here's the rundown...

I've seen 99+ GT's pull times as good as 13.60's, but I've also seen them pull times as horrible as low 15's. It's all in the driver. It takes a lot of practice for these guys to coax these better times out of them, but it happens pretty frequently. Does this mean that every single driver in every single track in the US and Canada will pull these times? No. For your typical street driven 99+ GT you need to figure about a 13.8 - 14.4 and keep in the back of your mind that an experienced driver may pull even better times.

With the Bullit's, I've only had the opportunity to see three or four of them run and they all pulled between 13.9's and 14.2's. From what I understand from talking to their drivers, they're pretty hard to launch. I've seen results of one Bullit stock on drag radials that ran a 13.3 with a 1.8 60', but that was about 4/10ths faster than I've seen anyone else run and I can't vouch that that one really was bone stock besides the DR's.

The IRS Cobra's are a bitch to launch. If you see anyone run a 12 in one, go shake his hand because you've just seen *** behind the wheel of a car. Evan Smith pulled a 13.34 out of a bone stock 'vert, so I'd guess he might be able to manage a 13.2x out of a hard top, but most drivers are going to be getting closer to the 13.4 - 13.8 range with some bad drivers mixed in running 14's.

Agressive Racer,

Like I've said before, I've been working as an auto tech since I was a junior in high school in 1997 and I've been around Mustangs and drag racing since I was 5. My father is an ASE cert. Senior Master tech and has been a member of the Hyundai national technical advisory council since 1996 and has been the one to teach me just about everything I know about diagnostics, repair, and how cars work. It's a fun hobby, but I've got no desire to make a career out of it. My father and grandfather both did and they threaten me about not following in their footsteps quite regularly. I've never really felt it was necessary to test for any ASE's since I'm only doing this part time for a while to pay my way through college, but I've got my MACS certification and I'm a licensed state inspector.

Knowing how to fix a car has little to do with knowing the science behind how to make horsepower. You're only going to learn that through one of two things...experience, or knowledge handed down to you from someone who's done it before. Being an auto tech has nothing to do with it. If you ever want to talk about the science behind making horsepower, shoot me an IM on aol, my name on there is Nic92LXConv50.

Like I've said, I'm looking forward to meeting you. You're young and naive now; it reminds me of how I was when I was younger. One day you'll see that no one brand of car is better than another. They've all got their highs and lows. Anything can be made fast if you've got the money to do it. The reason the F-bodies and Mustangs attract us is that they can be made fast for cheap. Guys have been doing it for decades, so there's really no secrets left in doing so.

I hope I get a chance to check out the Malibu too, but if you really want to test out that GTA of yours, bring it out and give the '01 a run.

PS...how old do you think I am?

 

Hey Nic take a look at Bob Cosby. He runs in Factory Stock with his 99 Cobra. It weighs about 3300lbs.
His mods are:
Chip, JBA headers, Dr. Gas X-pipe, Magnaflow exhaust, 4.56 gears, and a velocity tube. He still has the IRS and on street tires, and radials to boot, hes gone 11.85/112.81. I'm sure you've seen him before, but I'de love to shake his hand, because that car is SICK.

 

Bob swapped rears with Chris last spring. He's running the 8.8" with 4.56's and Chris is road racing on the IRS. I've met Bob at the track a couple times and had the chance to watch him drive...it was a real treat.

 

Yea I just realized that after I posted. Even with that aside that car is still one of the strongest running Cobras I've ever seen.

 

, i cant believe the ignorance floating around this thread , it amazes me that some of my fellow thirdgen brotheren could be so close minded , with that attitude youd might as well go "pimp" out a honda . basically the only "factual" thing i have heard in here are the things that nic has posted. dont bring the magazines into this either because im willing to bet my left testacle none of you could pull a 12.9 out of an ls1 like the "magazine" did . maybe you more experieced guys , but i have yet to see anyone on this board do so . i think you younger guys should learn , ask questions , not presume you know everything because you dont . other people have been there done that , and yet they are still wrong? . i know for a fact nic is telling the truth , i wont say how ,(i have nothing to proove) , but i know in fact he is %100 genuine in what he says .
i think instead of arguing with him you should listen to him he knows what he is talking about . i came to this board to learn when it first came about . thats the reason im still here . and i cant emphasize how much i have learned . i think instead of arguing with people that have "been there done that" , you should pay attention and learn something

p.s- keep it civil or its getting locked

 

I posted this topic for the reason "who would win"
I did not want arguements to follow
I do not think that nic is lying
Maybe a topic<<not neccessarly under street racing>could be started about et times...I for one do not know how they are tested ie pro drivers ect..on hat course ect..
thanks
if u need to lock this goahead i understand

 

Bob is a bolt on mod everytime he straps himself in that thing. It's unbelievable what kind of driver he is. He's as close to a perfect driver as I've ever seen.

 

Hey guys this is my first time posting on this board, i though you would be interested in this. Check this battle mustang vs 305 camaro

http://www.cvsr.net/welcome.html

this is the link, when you enter the site click on videos it the 7th one down.


Rob

 

Sorry it's at the bottom of the page

 

What a bunch of b/s! Not to throw more fuel on the fire but none of this makes any sense at all. No matter what I will have to see a stock GT run a 13.6 to belive it. I will have to wait a long, long time beacuse its bull. If this was true the Cobra would need not exist. But of course I'm sure the 260hp is under rated too right! And for the LS1, I myself have taken one down the 1/4 5 times and ran a best of 13.24 along with some 13.6's. It doesn't matter what your Dad does bacyard mechanic or ASE mechanic. That has nothing to do with this at all. Some one who doesn't know a carb from fuel injection can still make a car fast. I just don't get it this will go on for everIf you want to run 13's stock get an LS1 SS or Z28.

 

Doesn't anyone realize that a driver has a lot to do with 1/4 times. I mean I'm sure my brother could get .3-.4 better than I could in my own car. Just because you've never seen a GT run that time, but Nic has w/ a timeslip and why would he lie, I've always seen him state facts. Sure it may take one hell of a driver and perfect conditions, but it can be done obvisouly.

 

Boy there are tons of narrowmined people here. I realize it's a Camaro/Firebird website, but when a guy who owns a few mustangs tells you something about a mustang you automatically call b/s. Give me a break, Nic obviously knows more about mustangs than 99.9% of people on this board. If he told me something about a mustang, I would HAVE to believe it. I don't know why some of you guys will refuse to believe how fast mustangs are, and when you have nothing else to say you automatically talk about the LS1. Just take the info, not as an insult on your cars, but as knowledge to use in the future. I know not everyone here is what I described, but those who are know it.

 

Ok I really dont have any problems with what people are saying about the timeslips cause any car can do anything, and thats just my opinion. The real problem I have with this post is the whole "naive kids" deal. I picked out Nic as an example but there are a few more. Ok I'm 17 and the point I'm trying to get across, is that you don't know me, nor do you know 95% of the people on this board, to you and me everyone on this board is just a bunch of text messages, so you can't just say things like this. I've been into cars since I was at least 10, (my Dad builds Hot Rods from scratch for his hobby, civil engineer by day) Hell I even rebuilt a SBC when I was 12 by myself (go ahead call BS on me, you don't know me so I dont care) I would help my Dad build his Hot Rods and with this unique relationship, I grew a liking to cars from an early age and the car I actually grew a liking to was the Mustang. So I have followed the Mustangs (and Camaros, I did like them both) since at least '90. So no, I dont have 15 years of experience with these vehicles like you do Nic, I only have 11. I was never in this arguement until now, and the only problem I have with the responses in this topic is that about the 'Naive 16 year olds'. Please just chose your words a little bit more carefully in the future guys, cause you never know when I 'kid' like me might come around.

 

I know you're mad but you can't say that. You don't know if that statement is true. I know there's gonna be people out there that won't believe anything until they see it, so let them be then. Dont waste your breath trying to tell them that they shouldnt be calling BS.

 

Your right that I shouldn't jump to conclusions, but on many occasions the same people say the same thing about the Mustangs not doing what Nic and the other mustang guys say they do. I myself race in the MHRA series, or Mustang Heads-up Racers Association, where there are tons of cars doing what people on this board say are impossible. I know people need to see it to believe it, but then I would not believe in 12 sec stock LS1s. The truth is they exhists, so believe it. And as far as the 16 year old thing, I too am 16 and have been into the Mustang scene for at least 8 years. I don't know as much as professionals, but what I know can help you guys on this board. I have to live with 16 year old stereotypes, especially the rich kid who mommy and daddy bought him his car. The truth is I bought it and I pay for it myself. Its a pain, but I should get some respect. Sorry that I went on like this, but I needed to get out some mid-term aggresions.

 

Got a simple solution...if the statement doesn't apply to you, don't take it as applying to you. If you've been active with this stuff for 11 years then you don't really qualify as a 16 year old in terms of hot rodding experience IMO. The people I'm referring to are the 16 year old know it alls that can't accept the truth from someone who's been involved with this stuff since they were in diapers.

 

and with that said...I think it's about time to let this topic die.