This kid at my college has a BONE STOCK 01' cobra, I told him the other night that we should race and he said, Are you sure? I said hell yeah, why not? I asked him what he was doing to the car with the hood up and he say's "Oh, just tune ups" HA how funny, I park my car to check his cobra out and it turns out that this guy is full of bs. He was waxing his car!!! TUNE UPS!!!! HAS WAXING A CAR EVER TUNED ONE UP?!?! He tells me that his car has went 195 mph on the freeway, and a bunch of other bs like his car isn't stock and FORD tweeked with his motor and it's now sporting 395 horsies. This thing is stock from the air filter to the tires. I WANT TO RACE HIM SO BAD, HE CAN'T SHIFT THAT 5 SPEED FOR CRAP!!! With that said, even if he is a poor shifter do I stand a chance? And also Do these things hook up on stock wheels and tires?, I get good traction when I feather the pedal but if I even try to launch at like 2000r's, I almost loose control of the car, I've got a stock suspension.


I've got a 84' H.O., rebuilt L69 (may have a cam, redlines at about 6000 and idles pretty lopey, but just bought it), 5 speed w/strong clutch, edelbrock headers, still have cat, and full flowmaster system, edelbrock smog legal performer intake, and 3.73's. pretty good traction on GTA wheels and 245/50/16's. runs strong, I'm not too sure if it's sporting a chip or not, I haven't peeked yet, but just tuned it up and i'm in the process of making an elaborate pvc ram air setup.

I don't car if he beats me by like 5 car lengths or less, he'll still feel like a retard when I tell him that my like 210 hp keeps up pretty close w/his supposed 395 horse car?

That would be funny as hell, maybe the guy at the dealership bs'ed this kid and suckered him into buying it!!!!!LOL!!!!

 

yeah you can beat him,especially if he cant shift right...
intimadation is the key.....b.s. him right back..
cobras are one of the most overrated cars in history..
hopefully he will redline and blow the engine...
then again his dad will proabblly buy him a new one the next day

good luck

 

The IRS on those things sucks on launches. It's hard to avoid wheel hop, especially for an inexperienced driver. I don't really know how your car would run, but if he can't drive like you say then I'd probably expect it to run somewhere in the 14's.

 

Buddy you have NO CHANCE!!!

A mildly modded 305 will never beat a 320hp+ 2001 Cobra!!!! What are you smoking?!

 

Can somebody tell me what my car runs stock? e.T. My guess is low-mid 15's and then add for the headers and full exhaust , intake and ram air and the better traction, what should I be running?

 

Do newer cobras really run 14s? Ive seen other posts in this forum saying the GT runs as good as mid 13s! Does that mean someone with a run of the mill GT can spank a same year Cobra? If so, what the hell is Ford doing?

 

i can barely beat one with these mods.

L69 ported factory heads milled for 10:1 comp. cam in sig. ported intake, no computer or emissions garbage. headers, k$n, flowmaster with dynomax piping. Car is also light cause of no ac, power anything.

You are gonna get smoked.

 

No, it just means a bad driver will make a Cobra into a 14 second car. For an example of what they can do with someone who knows how to launch on the IRS, MM&FF got a stock '01 Cobra 'vert to run 13.34. IRS sucks for drag racing.

 

In my 1991 Formula 5-Speed TBI with mods. I could easily keep with a local Bullit Mustang until the top of 3rd gear when my 3.08's really started to slow me down. With 3.08's my car ran a best of 14.89 and with my 3.42 prject completed the day before my car was totalled it ran a 14.57.

Will the mustang talk ever end? If they are all so fast then why do they keep getting spanked?

 

maybe the Ford IRS is a diferent setup from mine, but in my stock suspentioned Vette i knock off 1.9 60fts all day at the track with no wheel hop.

 

yeah, your vette rear suspension is totally different, most would say better.

 

Thats because the Corvette has years of work put into the rear suspension. It uses a large fiberglass spring instead of coil springs. It has more of a constant balance between L and R wheels.

 

I'd put my money on the cobra but hell if he can't shift for ****...that might help...you better REALLY get on your car and stay on it. That would be awesome to say a L69 beat a cobra

good luck

 

also wouldn't an auto help with the launch at times?

but the IRS I have on my car also has lots of wheel hop

works great on road racing but can't get the car to launch worth crap unless I let go at a lower rpm

big problem with IRS
was never to be used for a drag car :-(

though guess you can learn to get used to it as it looks like you have done tpivette


and isn't the bullit mustang or the most part he same thing as the GT?

 

5 hp difference, but the Bullit is also heavier. Bullit is lowered from the factory, has better brakes, different intake, and a bunch of interior treatments that the GT doesn't have.

 

i thought all the new for 99' and up Mustangs had the IRS setup? or did i hear wrong? for some reason, it seems like when "Mustang" and "IRS" are mentioned, its always about the Cobra.

 

You don't stand a chance. Unless he has NO idea and I stress that, of how to drive.

They can run low 13s at 106-107mph.

They have been dynoing 270-290 RWHP.

Even with cam heads and so fourth I believe you would have trouble with him.

The 2001 cobras are mean. Unlike the 1999....

 

The V6 and GT both still have the same live axle in the back that the earlier Mustangs did. Only the Cobra has the IRS.

 

To put some points to rest:

The Bullit has a 5 hp advantage over the GT, but has more low and mid-range torque, which helps them more than a 5hp gain normally would.

The Cobra is the only 'stang with the IRS

In the latest issue (maybe 2 issues ago) of GM hight tech performance they took a 6speed LS1 SS to a Bullit event. The ss went (in 95+ *F heat) 12.9x. The fastest stang there (not sure if it was a cobra or a Bullit was around 1 sec slower. Needless to say those ford guys were a lot quieter after that.

If the guy can't shift well you might have a chance. Remember that those engines don't have tons of low end torque, its all high end, so don't let off if you happen to get a good jump on him.

 

Sorry guys but the ford will win...
unless there is something sneaky about the L69 I dont know (spray). Even on the gas it will be a hard race to win. If we were talking about a GT maybe things would be different...but chances are even a GT would win.

-peace

 

They mentioned that in MM&FF a couple months ago as well. They were at Englishtown testing the Bullit (it ran 13.9x that day) and there was a bone stock LS1 down there that ran 12.9x. I'm impressed and I think the same goes for a lot of the Mustang community. There's a lot of mutual respect there. It would be interesting to see what that LS1 could have done in some good air.

As for the topic at hand, IMO if the guy driving the Cobra can't drive, he's probably going to end up running somewhere in the low 14's. I don't know what the 305 f-body with those mods will run, but you can base your judgement on the possible outcome of the race from there.

 

That would have to be one bad driver to run 13s. My friend, in his first time out with there '01 Cobra Convertable went 13.63 at 105 in 80 degree heat. They had two runs, 13.74 and 13.63, both launching at idle, with the window sticker still on it. I think the Camaro will lose, unless this kid can't drive at all, or stalls it.

 

good car though,I have an L69 h.o. motor now but it's coming out and a 350 is going in. the L69 and 3.73 has the torque to battle......but the cobra's don't need torque.

 

this kid is still around and still talkin' smack, Do you guys think I can take him with my new setup??? I think I can. Can't wait to catch his *** on a 2 lane road.

1984 Z- 28: L-69 bored to 310c.i. w/ 4k mi., 204/214 420/442 cam, edelbrock intake and 600 cfm carb, Holley Red fuel pump and a 3 port regulator, Holley Powershot filter ( open element), Edelbrock headers, gutted cat, 2.5 inches to a 2 chamber Flowmaster, Centerforce clutch on the T-5 and Energy suspension: Motor mounts, trans mount, and torque arm bushing
Brand new 255's out back and T-5 with 3.73's

Runnin' really strong, I feel like with the advance weights, and carb tuning, and new fuel pump I just put in, it's running the best it possibly could

 

take your car to the track, then youll know EXACTLY where you stand

 

Yeah but traction on the street and on the track is quite a difference. I have a hard enough time launching as it is on the street, if I take it to the track, I'm just gonna roast the tires all the way thru 1st and 2nd. I'm not ready for the track yet, traction mods and then we'll see about some timeslips.

 

This shouldn't even be a close race. But ANYTHING can happen on the street. If he can drive half decently he's got you beat. Unless he stalls his car, you probably won't win. Off the line it may be close, but soon as he's in 2nd-3rd it's pretty much over. But hey, race him anyways, it's fun.

 

maybe he will mistake 3rd for 1st or accidently jam it into reverse.

 

Sorry man...he's still going to take you. Has he done any mods since this thread started?

I know it sucks having to listen to people talk bs, but his car IS fast.... Maybe not as fast as he thinks, but he should run 13s no problem (if not hi 12s).

With good traction, you'll probably dip into the 13s...but not enough to catch the Cobra.

Although, as a sidenote, I saw a fox body stang hit reverse right before the finish line. I saw the reverse lights go on, and heard a grinding noise -- the whole crowd collectively groaned/gasped.

 

I'm not getting deep into this thread because most of you are so close minded that it is impossible to get through to you. His Cobra bone stock would run a best of 13.3@106mph (roughly) with him driving it not knowing what he is doing I think he would be good if he got it out of the 14's. The Cobra isn't one of the "most over rated cars of all time" like someone stated before . The IRS is tricky, especially on the street and unless he knows how to drive then he is in trouble. You have to know how to drive these cars to make them fast. But if you are going to race him go from a dead stop. It doesn't take much skill to race from a roll. Good luck

 

I agree completely with that statement. That is why I think I have a good chance, that and I have major confidence in my car now that I have it tuned properly.

1 problem tho....

He's not gonna race from a stop though, the only way that I'm gonna get to race him is if I catch him driving around on a 2 lane road, we would probably launch in 2nd or 3rd gear.

That said, it's not gonna be a drivers race really and he'll probably have me by about 5 cars from a 30 mph roll up to about 90mph, just a guess though. I really don't think any more of a distance than that though.

I'm gonna try him regardless cause if he wins, I'm gonna buy a set of Vortech heads, mill um' and he's toast ( along with some Lt 1's and most GT's and stock cobras...) ahhh.... "So many parts, not enough money...."

 

I agree with the race him anyway and I also agree with the INTIMIDATION of him. Anytime you can make a stang owner 2nd guess himself for his ride do it! You are in a win-win situation. If you win you just beet a cobra and if you loose then....well he has a cobra what did they expect? Ya know? Good luck hope you dust him.

 

:sillylol: WTF? That made no sense. So what if its a Cobra? I know many 3rd gen F-bodies that would beat a stock Cobra. You can make anything fast, its just how much money you have.

 

go to the Ford dealer, don't talk about money or anything...just check out a Cobra..if they have one, and test drive it!!! you don't even have to get on it....you know it's got ballz. I test drove a '98 SVT 4.6L,5spd...probably nothing like the 2001. I was on the highway (I-64) and one of these VA Beach ricers pulled up and gave me the "fart rev" and gave me the "stare down" . No doubt he saw the dealer plates and somehow wanted to prove something, the funny thing was it was unneccessary to down shift. I left in in fifth and just walked away from him,...far away...
it seemd like a minute later when this rice box, honda accord or what ever, racing stripped and chinese lettered came flying by at full rev.....what a joke! then I went across the street to RK cheverlet and beat the bag out of a '95 LT1 Z28....it sucked it had no traction, but once again I had to engage in combat with another VA Beach "wanna-be" ***** on Lynhaven Pkwy. I wouldve bought the cobra if I could afford any of those cars, the Cobra was the best all around car.....no t tops though, the Ford Salesman was cool too, the RK sales lady was screaming and "white-knuckling" the door handles in the Z28, and it wasn't even going anywhere, just major tirespin.

bottom line,...you really need to drive these cars to appreaciate them, alot has happened in 17 years!

 

I think you are missing my point snake, what I am saying is that the average Joe out there thinks that the cobra will win anyhow. So he is in a win-win situation because he can't really loose face if he looses the race. most people would think the cobra will win anyhow. If he beats the cobra then respect is gained by all and many eyes are opened up to the reality that cobra's aren't all that in the first place!

 

I guess thats true. If I got next to a Ferrari at a redlight my stomach would drop. But chances are I would beat him. Atleast from a dead stop that is! Ferrari from 150mph+ = :hail:

 

Thats what I don't get about the guys on this board. Look the 96-98 Cobra has about 250-275rwhp. The 1999 FIXED has about 270-290rwhp, the 2001 has about 275-300rwhp. There is not that much difference in the power. In fact it is very hard to tell the difference between them.

 

what where the factory hp ratings at the flywheel?

 

Thats them. Usually the majority of the Cobras were around half way between the two numbers I posted of each year.

 

The non-fixed 99 I saw was running just over 235 rwhp, and 260 rwtq. After the fix it was making 250 rwhp, and 280 rwtq! The torue wasn't too bad but the hp numbers sucked. I asked the dyno guy if this was normal, and he said that most 99s he saw were in the 250 rwhp range!

I have never seen a stock one 99-01 make anything over 274 rwhp our friends 01 vert made, but I have only seen a handful do it.

300 seems like a dream to me, but I am not denying it!

 

1999 Black Cobra #86
WMS Cold Air Intake, PRO M87 Bullet <--- he is close to stock
274.7HP 278.4TQ Stock


'01 Cobra Coupe #918 of 3867
-Steeda Tri Ax
-Full Length Densecharger CAI
-Catted Magnaflow X & Magnaflow catback
-Full Length Maximum Motorsports Subframe Connectors
-276.5rwhp / 284.6rwtq Dyno'ed 8.10.02 (before exhaust mods)


99 Cobra Convertible #3636 Rwhp: 316.3 Rwtq: 308.1
K&N filter, 1.5 shorty headers, H pipe, magnaflow catback, 2003 Mach 1 Extrude Hone, ported and polished lower intake manifold
Ported and polished upper intake manifold


2001 Cobra Coupe #719 of 3867
Mods:
*Mac CAI
*Pro 5.0 short shifter
*Flowmasters
*Mac O/R H-Pipe
*Diablo Chip (Tuned by Onerichrunner)
*4:10 gears.
*McLeod Clutch
Awaiting Install: Vortech S-trim, Aftercooler, AFM power pipe, 42#injectors, 90m.m. MAF, Vortech mini race bov, Autologic chip, 03 Cobra fuel pump, And other little stuff.
Dyno # 298.7 R.W.H.P. & 296.3 R.W.T. SAE corrected



Just a few things for you guys to think about. I know none of them are stock but here ARE some people's numbers... BTW a fixed 99 Cobra IS just as fast as a 2001 Cobra. And 5.0 I don't doubt it at all that you saw a 99 pull that. Remember that Ford is known for cars that are the same exact but can average up to 50hp difference.

 

Quote: WTF? That made no sense. So what if its a Cobra? I know many 3rd gen F-bodies that would beat a stock Cobra. You can make anything fast, its just how much money you have.

By the way Snake 32v:

I have approximately 2600 bucks into my car. So you are saying you can make anything fast..... just depends on how much money you have. I disagree, it has to do with how much knowledge and skill you have. Knowing what parts are worth more in $ to H.P. ratio, etc.

$ doesn't have everything to do with going fast.... If I beat this cobra, I just beat a car that cost over 30,000$$$$ more than mine. Oh yeah, I know you are going to say that it has a warranty, etc. Well, mine does too, motor and trans...for another 8 months.

 

Not sticking up for ford in any way, or dissing ur car. But, drive that 01 CObra and tell me if it won't smoke your car.

And an 01 is NOT supercharged, only has about 315 from the engine. If a good driver runs it, low - mid 13's. No possible way to get a bone stock 01 in the 12's.

 

I'm calling on the 195 mph the stang guy is claiming. You need high gears for that and at least 500 bhp. Lambos and Ferraris, and Z06s can just get 180mph with over 400bhp.

The L69 is not exactly a stellar engine so my guess is he will beat you, even if it is stock Cobra. It's newer and has more ponies. If he does something stupid, then you'll have a chance. Then again, I don't know what you did to engine so its a toss up.

 

First off money has EVERYTHING to do with modding a car. You BUY parts, and how much money you have depends on how many parts you have. Now if you are smart and you have $2,xxx or w/e you say you have to get the most out of that you would have to get nitrous, forged internals, and install everything by itself and there you go. About 150 more hp than you had originally and all with alittle less than $3,000. Point I'm trying to make is mostly no one spends their money RIGHT THERE to make their car the fastest they can with what they have right there. Most get exhaust to make it sound alittle better, then blah blah. So yes money has alot to do with modding and if you don't agree well then...

And so what that you can beat a car that cost $30,000 more. I can buy a POS 5.0 LX for about $300, put all decent parts in it to make it run for alittle over $2,000 more dollars, and slap on a 150 shot of nitrous and have a car that can beat a Ferrari in the 1/4th mile. And to think I saved roughly $250,000. Another example...I can buy a 2003 Cobra for $35,000 and install a pulley and dyno tune it and beat a Z06. And I saved about $13,000. Ok lets say you beat the Cobra. It still has nicer interior, it still can out handle you, its still newer, it still has less miles on the CAR itself and not the engine. What point are YOU trying to make? Seem to me like you keep coming to a brick wall. Lemme know man cause I'm kinda by what you have posted. But like I said before yea it would be sweet for you to be able to say you beat a COBRA but its just another car that came factory with alittle more power than you, thats all. Make up for the lost power and take the victory.

 

I don't like it when you compare a modded car to something like a Ferrari. We are talking about a large difference in quality. You don't buy a Ferrari and take it to a dragstrip. Those cars are exotic and prestigious. Ferrari only continues to make cars so they can keep funding thier F1 and CART races and cars.

I see your point of moding a 2k car and putting 1k into it to beat a 50k car. On a purely speed basis, I would be upset if my 100k car was beat by a 4k car.

 

Thats alot of K's!!

 

I was too lazy to put ,000 after each number.

 

Snake 32v

You really don't know much about my car, I guess it's my fault tho....

I bought my car for 700 bucks....Power everything, even the seat. T-tops, and the only thing it did not have was a stereo.

It had a beefed up L-69 already in it ( don't know exact specs but it had 80k mi. on it). It already had headers, and a Flowmaster american thunder system, and an edelbrock aluminum water pump and a performer intake. I sold my firebird, but stole the stereo, GTA wheels and little things from it before I sold it. Got $1,100 for it. Took the remaining $400 and did a little suspension work (Shocks/struts, and energy bushings for the sway and endlinks.) #8 cylinder piston rings went bad: foul 2 plugs a week. Got a new L69 in June for about 900 buck (long block).

I had it built to my specs as far as I could go with it still having a warranty. It's bored .030 over so it's 310 c.i. and I had a performance cam put in it. 420/ 442 lift @210/214 duration. I wanted torque. I got it, especially w/ the 3.73's.

I don't know about my car having a crappy interior and lackluster cornering capabilities but i do know that I definately would rather have it than a Cobra. They just are not wide enough for me. Next time you park your stang next to a thirdgen, take a look from behind and tell me what you think. Stangs are like 3-4 inches taller and 6-8 skinnier. Looks funny to me. And I have driven some stangs, that shifter monkey business ( that bend in the shifter shaft ) is really annoying.

 

The fact that F-bodies have a low roofline is one of the reasons I like them, a Vettes is even lower. Sometimes I can't even see my car behind most other cars. Tall rooflines look goofy to me.